Poll Bills Vs. Vegito Vs Gogeta Vs. Omega Shenron (64 votes)
Bills
Vegito (SSJ 3)
Gogeta (SSJ 4)
Omega Shenron
Scenario
Win by death or knockout
Morals off
No prep
Everyone starts 5 miles apart
Win by death or knockout
Morals off
No prep
Everyone starts 5 miles apart
@sheenlantern: no sir!
@those_eyes: And why not? Bills is only Baby level.
SSJ3 Vegito as in DBM Vegito? He'll definitely give them a run for their money, but he needs to fight someone more powerful.
Didn't Bills travel through space and reached King Kai's planet in under 30 minutes? Bills speed blitzs with a flick to the forehead
SSJ4 Gogeta humiliated Omega Shenron, who needed a giant spirit bomb with the help of the entire UNIVERSE, to kill him. Bills is about, if not less, than OS.
Vegito owns.
You tend to wank Vegito a lot. He is the weakest link here. SSJ3 Vegito doesn't exist so we can't assume things.
SSJ4 Gogeta > Omega Shenron > Bills > SSJ3 Vegito
@pope052: you also wank GT, it has nothing to do with DB or DBZ or Akira.It is Vegito>Bills or Gogeta>Shenron, we don't even know Vegito true ssj power you know he toyed with Buu in base form.GT is not that strong.
Vegito.
you also wank GT, it has nothing to do with DB or DBZ or Akira.
I don't wank GT. The characters (for the most part) are stronger than Z Characters. It doesn't matter if it doesn't have anything to do with DBZ, that still doesn't change the fact that the characters are stronger.
It is Vegito>Bills or Gogeta>Shenron,
Not even close.
we don't even know Vegito true ssj power you know he toyed with Buu in base form.GT is not that strong.
Your logic is terrible. So just because Vegito has not shown his full power then that means that you can put him above the entirety of GT and BOTG? It's just like Broly, he hasn't beaten anybody on par SSJ2 tier so you can't put him above that level.
Prove that Vegito is above Baby tier, and then i'll take you seriously.
@pope052: baby?What has baby done to be stronger than him?Nothing.
It was stated Bills and Whis are the strongest in the DBZ universe by its creator. Bills stomps, this thread is dumb.
It's not necessarily about feats, it's more about power-scaling (because Dragon-Ball revolves around power). Baby Vegeta humiliated SSJ3 Kid Goku (Who's Base Form was stronger than SSJ3 Goku when fighting Kid Buu).
So SSJ3 Goku (when fighting Baby) would have been X400 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku (when fighting Kid Buu), + His strength increase from training with Uub, AND his supposed power increase from his tail. That kind of power skyrockets above Buuhan.
I'd put it like this:
SSJ4 Gogeta > Omega Shenron > SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta > Bills > Baby Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku = SSJ Vegito > Buuhan
So how about you prove what I asked now then? What suggests that Vegito is Baby tier? Stomping Buuhan means nothing to Baby, because GT SSJ3 Kid Buu should be able to pull off the same thing.
It was stated Bills and Whis are the strongest in the DBZ universe by its creator. Bills stomps, this thread is dumb.
actually Birus is the weakest of the gods, we just don't know who the other ones are yet =)
@pope052: @flashgreatersigneveryone: SSJ3 picture used is from the Dragonball Multiverse Fan-manga, so it could be assumed he's using their character.
It's not necessarily about feats, it's more about power-scaling (because Dragon-Ball revolves around power). Baby Vegeta humiliated SSJ3 Kid Goku (Who's Base Form was stronger than SSJ3 Goku when fighting Kid Buu).
So SSJ3 Goku (when fighting Baby) would have been X400 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku (when fighting Kid Buu), + His strength increase from training with Uub, AND his supposed power increase from his tail. That kind of power skyrockets above Buuhan.
I'd put it like this:
SSJ4 Gogeta > Omega Shenron > SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta > Bills > Baby Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku = SSJ Vegito > Buuhan
So how about you prove what I asked now then? What suggests that Vegito is Baby tier? Stomping Buuhan means nothing to Baby, because GT SSJ3 Kid Buu should be able to pull off the same thing.
I kind of don't get your logic. A stomp is a stomp. Vegito has never demonstrated his full power, and we have no idea how strong he would be if using his full power.
Also, how is Bills below Super Saiyan 4 goku and vegeta?
@the_last_kryptonian: Judging by the picture, this is Dragonball Multiverse Vegito, not regular.
I kind of don't get your logic. A stomp is a stomp. Vegito has never demonstrated his full power, and we have no idea how strong he would be if using his full power.
Exactly. If he has never demonstrated his full power, you can't go assuming how strong he would be. That is flawed logic to believe that Vegito is the strongest just because he hasn't demonstrated his max potential. It would be pure speculation and speculation isn't enough to put him on that level.
Also, how is Bills below Super Saiyan 4 goku and vegeta?
There's a massive time-gap that Goku and Vegeta gain a strong point from:
BOTG takes place years before the End of Z. At the End of Z Goku's Base was the equivalent to his SSJ3 Form while fighting Kid Buu. So if it were End of Z SSJ3 Goku VS Bills, the outcome would have differed greatly.
So then turning SSJ3 at that point would have been X400 times stronger than he was when fighting Kid Buu in SSJ3. Goku then trained for years with Uub (that makes his Base Form stronger than his Z SSJ3 self). That would make him even stronger when he turned SSJ3 to fight against Baby, Baby still trumped him. Then of course, there's SSJ4 which multiplies his SSJ3 form by 10.
Add that all up, and SSJ4 Goku was over X4000 times stronger than his SSJ3 self while fighting Bills. Giving all that then i'd say he should be able to beat (if not stomp) Bills.
As for SSJ4 Vegeta, he was equal to SSJ4 Goku because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to fuse into Gogeta.
Bills doesn't have any feats above stomping a weaker SSJ3 Goku, where as Goku does. SSJ4 outclasses Bills in feats (beating Baby Vegeta who stomped a stronger SSJ3 Goku than the one that Bills stomped). and power-scaling.
Yamcha curbstomps them all.
lol
Find it funny that people are saying Baby have better feat than Bill when he failed to one shot a planet when actually trying. Even frieza needed one try to explode a planet when trying.
Baby humiliated SSJ3 Goku who was a good bit over X400 times stronger than Z SSJ3 Goku that Bills stomped. Planet busting means jack sh!t to any character with power superior to Saiyan Saga Vegeta.
1. Vegito Gogeta
2. Gogeta Omega Shenron
3. Bills
4. Vegito
Fixed that for you.
#31 Edited by Fallschirmjager (4118 posts) - 16 hours, 43 minutes ago - Show Bio
@thelocust619 said:
It was stated Bills and Whis are the strongest in the DBZ universe by its creator. Bills stomps, this thread is dumb.
actually Birus is the weakest of the gods, we just don't know who the other ones are yet =)
Locust: so....what does that have to do with what I said? These other universes are....other universes lol my statement is accurate. Ssj vegito has no feats, ssj4s can be cut by glass if u wanna use bulls$%& power scaling when the entire series of GT was completely inconsistent and just bad writing all the way through, and Omega Shenron =Shenron who almost s$%t himself when he saw Bills. I'll say it again: this thread is REALLY dumb. I'm pretty sure when Akira Toriyama said Bills is stronger than everyone but Whis, he was at the very least aware of GT /s
You don't need to inform me its retconned, I threw a party already.
I kind of don't get your logic. A stomp is a stomp. Vegito has never demonstrated his full power, and we have no idea how strong he would be if using his full power.
Exactly. If he has never demonstrated his full power, you can't go assuming how strong he would be. That is flawed logic to believe that Vegito is the strongest just because he hasn't demonstrated his max potential. It would be pure speculation and speculation isn't enough to put him on that level.
Also, how is Bills below Super Saiyan 4 goku and vegeta?
There's a massive time-gap that Goku and Vegeta gain a strong point from:
BOTG takes place years before the End of Z. At the End of Z Goku's Base was the equivalent to his SSJ3 Form while fighting Kid Buu. So if it were End of Z SSJ3 Goku VS Bills, the outcome would have differed greatly.
So then turning SSJ3 at that point would have been X400 times stronger than he was when fighting Kid Buu in SSJ3. Goku then trained for years with Uub (that makes his Base Form stronger than his Z SSJ3 self). That would make him even stronger when he turned SSJ3 to fight against Baby, Baby still trumped him. Then of course, there's SSJ4 which multiplies his SSJ3 form by 10.
Add that all up, and SSJ4 Goku was over X4000 times stronger than his SSJ3 self while fighting Bills. Giving all that then i'd say he should be able to beat (if not stomp) Bills.
As for SSJ4 Vegeta, he was equal to SSJ4 Goku because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to fuse into Gogeta.
Bills doesn't have any feats above stomping a weaker SSJ3 Goku, where as Goku does. SSJ4 outclasses Bills in feats (beating Baby Vegeta who stomped a stronger SSJ3 Goku than the one that Bills stomped). and power-scaling.
This
Like it or not, GT is massively powerful, base goku pretty much stomps most/every Z character.
@sheenlantern: not true! Have you even seen the movie, he is far above baby
@18hunt: I'd love to hear your reasoning for that.
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