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Poll: Bills Vs. Vegito Vs Gogeta Vs. Omega Shenron (47 votes)

Bills 45%
Vegito 28%
Gogeta 26%
Omega Shenron 2%

Bills

Vegito (SSJ 3)

Gogeta (SSJ 4)

Omega Shenron

Scenario

Win by death or knockout

Morals off

No prep

Everyone starts 5 miles apart

Setting

Who wins?

#2 Posted by those_eyes (5062 posts) - - Show Bio

Bills STOMPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Online
#3 Posted by SheenLantern (6253 posts) - - Show Bio

Gogeta curbs

#4 Edited by those_eyes (5062 posts) - - Show Bio

Online
#5 Posted by Doomnaut (1992 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Posted by those_eyes (5062 posts) - - Show Bio
Online
#7 Posted by SheenLantern (6253 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by Denzio97 (29 posts) - - Show Bio

Bills? Really?

I won't even bother explaining why SS4 Gogeta is undoubtedly the strongest...

#9 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9540 posts) - - Show Bio

SSJ3 Vegito as in DBM Vegito? He'll definitely give them a run for their money, but he needs to fight someone more powerful.

#10 Edited by T0NY_STARK (173 posts) - - Show Bio

Bills OMEGAROFLSTOMPS!

#11 Posted by brainstorm01 (1172 posts) - - Show Bio

bills is 600x ssj3 goku while vegeto is 4x ss3 goku

And gogeta is 30x ssj3 goku

You got your answer

#12 Edited by StrictlyAnime (796 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Bills travel through space and reached King Kai's planet in under 30 minutes? Bills speed blitzs with a flick to the forehead

#13 Posted by RetconCrisis (3373 posts) - - Show Bio

SSJ4 Gogeta humiliated Omega Shenron, who needed a giant spirit bomb with the help of the entire UNIVERSE, to kill him. Bills is about, if not less, than OS.

#14 Posted by xlab3000 (3143 posts) - - Show Bio

SSJ4 Gogeta

#15 Posted by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

Vegito owns.

#16 Posted by Doomnaut (1992 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Edited by Pope052 (2982 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostrider2 said:

Vegito owns.

You tend to wank Vegito a lot. He is the weakest link here. SSJ3 Vegito doesn't exist so we can't assume things.

SSJ4 Gogeta > Omega Shenron > Bills > SSJ3 Vegito

#19 Posted by Experio (14300 posts) - - Show Bio

SSJ4 Gogeta

#21 Edited by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052: you also wank GT, it has nothing to do with DB or DBZ or Akira.It is Vegito>Bills or Gogeta>Shenron, we don't even know Vegito true ssj power you know he toyed with Buu in base form.GT is not that strong.

#22 Edited by JwwProd (8722 posts) - - Show Bio

Vegito.

#23 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3864 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

SS3 Vegito

#25 Edited by Pope052 (2982 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostrider2:

you also wank GT, it has nothing to do with DB or DBZ or Akira.

I don't wank GT. The characters (for the most part) are stronger than Z Characters. It doesn't matter if it doesn't have anything to do with DBZ, that still doesn't change the fact that the characters are stronger.

It is Vegito>Bills or Gogeta>Shenron,

Not even close.

we don't even know Vegito true ssj power you know he toyed with Buu in base form.GT is not that strong.

Your logic is terrible. So just because Vegito has not shown his full power then that means that you can put him above the entirety of GT and BOTG? It's just like Broly, he hasn't beaten anybody on par SSJ2 tier so you can't put him above that level.

Prove that Vegito is above Baby tier, and then i'll take you seriously.

#26 Posted by FlashGreaterSignEveryone (968 posts) - - Show Bio

vegito in ssj3 is hypothetical therefore invalid. so bills wins IMO

#27 Posted by GhostRider2 (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052: baby?What has baby done to be stronger than him?Nothing.

#28 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (5936 posts) - - Show Bio

Vegito

#29 Posted by thelocust619 (2195 posts) - - Show Bio

It was stated Bills and Whis are the strongest in the DBZ universe by its creator. Bills stomps, this thread is dumb.

#30 Edited by Pope052 (2982 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostrider2:

It's not necessarily about feats, it's more about power-scaling (because Dragon-Ball revolves around power). Baby Vegeta humiliated SSJ3 Kid Goku (Who's Base Form was stronger than SSJ3 Goku when fighting Kid Buu).

So SSJ3 Goku (when fighting Baby) would have been X400 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku (when fighting Kid Buu), + His strength increase from training with Uub, AND his supposed power increase from his tail. That kind of power skyrockets above Buuhan.

I'd put it like this:

SSJ4 Gogeta > Omega Shenron > SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta > Bills > Baby Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku = SSJ Vegito > Buuhan

So how about you prove what I asked now then? What suggests that Vegito is Baby tier? Stomping Buuhan means nothing to Baby, because GT SSJ3 Kid Buu should be able to pull off the same thing.

#31 Edited by Fallschirmjager (15260 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelocust619 said:

It was stated Bills and Whis are the strongest in the DBZ universe by its creator. Bills stomps, this thread is dumb.

actually Birus is the weakest of the gods, we just don't know who the other ones are yet =)

#32 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9540 posts) - - Show Bio
#34 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1451 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052 said:

@ghostrider2:

It's not necessarily about feats, it's more about power-scaling (because Dragon-Ball revolves around power). Baby Vegeta humiliated SSJ3 Kid Goku (Who's Base Form was stronger than SSJ3 Goku when fighting Kid Buu).

So SSJ3 Goku (when fighting Baby) would have been X400 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku (when fighting Kid Buu), + His strength increase from training with Uub, AND his supposed power increase from his tail. That kind of power skyrockets above Buuhan.

I'd put it like this:

SSJ4 Gogeta > Omega Shenron > SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta > Bills > Baby Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku = SSJ Vegito > Buuhan

So how about you prove what I asked now then? What suggests that Vegito is Baby tier? Stomping Buuhan means nothing to Baby, because GT SSJ3 Kid Buu should be able to pull off the same thing.

I kind of don't get your logic. A stomp is a stomp. Vegito has never demonstrated his full power, and we have no idea how strong he would be if using his full power.

Also, how is Bills below Super Saiyan 4 goku and vegeta?

#35 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9540 posts) - - Show Bio
#36 Edited by Pope052 (2982 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian:

I kind of don't get your logic. A stomp is a stomp. Vegito has never demonstrated his full power, and we have no idea how strong he would be if using his full power.

Exactly. If he has never demonstrated his full power, you can't go assuming how strong he would be. That is flawed logic to believe that Vegito is the strongest just because he hasn't demonstrated his max potential. It would be pure speculation and speculation isn't enough to put him on that level.

Also, how is Bills below Super Saiyan 4 goku and vegeta?

There's a massive time-gap that Goku and Vegeta gain a strong point from:

BOTG takes place years before the End of Z. At the End of Z Goku's Base was the equivalent to his SSJ3 Form while fighting Kid Buu. So if it were End of Z SSJ3 Goku VS Bills, the outcome would have differed greatly.

So then turning SSJ3 at that point would have been X400 times stronger than he was when fighting Kid Buu in SSJ3. Goku then trained for years with Uub (that makes his Base Form stronger than his Z SSJ3 self). That would make him even stronger when he turned SSJ3 to fight against Baby, Baby still trumped him. Then of course, there's SSJ4 which multiplies his SSJ3 form by 10.

Add that all up, and SSJ4 Goku was over X4000 times stronger than his SSJ3 self while fighting Bills. Giving all that then i'd say he should be able to beat (if not stomp) Bills.

As for SSJ4 Vegeta, he was equal to SSJ4 Goku because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to fuse into Gogeta.

Bills doesn't have any feats above stomping a weaker SSJ3 Goku, where as Goku does. SSJ4 outclasses Bills in feats (beating Baby Vegeta who stomped a stronger SSJ3 Goku than the one that Bills stomped). and power-scaling.

#37 Posted by Ostyo (6731 posts) - - Show Bio

Yamcha curbstomps them all.

#38 Posted by Cooldes (3925 posts) - - Show Bio

Bills for the stomp

#39 Edited by xlab3000 (3143 posts) - - Show Bio

@ostyo said:

Yamcha curbstomps them all.

lol

#41 Posted by Jgames (1639 posts) - - Show Bio

Find it funny that people are saying Baby have better feat than Bill when he failed to one shot a planet when actually trying. Even frieza needed one try to explode a planet when trying.

#42 Posted by Perethorn (3212 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Vegito

2. Gogeta

3. Bills/Omega Shenron (close call, i'm not sure who will win)

#43 Edited by Pope052 (2982 posts) - - Show Bio

@jgames said:

Find it funny that people are saying Baby have better feat than Bill when he failed to one shot a planet when actually trying. Even frieza needed one try to explode a planet when trying.

Baby humiliated SSJ3 Goku who was a good bit over X400 times stronger than Z SSJ3 Goku that Bills stomped. Planet busting means jack sh!t to any character with power superior to Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

#44 Edited by Pope052 (2982 posts) - - Show Bio

@perethorn said:

1. Vegito Gogeta

2. Gogeta Omega Shenron

3. Bills

4. Vegito

Fixed that for you.

#45 Posted by Jgames (1639 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052: Baby is stronger than Bill by powerscaling not feat, although bill has not done anything impressive either, is jus annoying when people saying feat and not powerscaling. But seriously hiw could he failed to one shot a planet when many who tried succed the first time

#46 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (5936 posts) - - Show Bio

Vegito

#47 Posted by thelocust619 (2195 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager:

#31 Edited by Fallschirmjager (4118 posts) - 16 hours, 43 minutes ago - Show Bio

@thelocust619 said:

It was stated Bills and Whis are the strongest in the DBZ universe by its creator. Bills stomps, this thread is dumb.

actually Birus is the weakest of the gods, we just don't know who the other ones are yet =)

Locust: so....what does that have to do with what I said? These other universes are....other universes lol my statement is accurate. Ssj vegito has no feats, ssj4s can be cut by glass if u wanna use bulls$%& power scaling when the entire series of GT was completely inconsistent and just bad writing all the way through, and Omega Shenron =Shenron who almost s$%t himself when he saw Bills. I'll say it again: this thread is REALLY dumb. I'm pretty sure when Akira Toriyama said Bills is stronger than everyone but Whis, he was at the very least aware of GT /s

You don't need to inform me its retconned, I threw a party already.

#48 Edited by SuperDrummer (721 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052 said:

@the_last_kryptonian:

I kind of don't get your logic. A stomp is a stomp. Vegito has never demonstrated his full power, and we have no idea how strong he would be if using his full power.

Exactly. If he has never demonstrated his full power, you can't go assuming how strong he would be. That is flawed logic to believe that Vegito is the strongest just because he hasn't demonstrated his max potential. It would be pure speculation and speculation isn't enough to put him on that level.

Also, how is Bills below Super Saiyan 4 goku and vegeta?

There's a massive time-gap that Goku and Vegeta gain a strong point from:

BOTG takes place years before the End of Z. At the End of Z Goku's Base was the equivalent to his SSJ3 Form while fighting Kid Buu. So if it were End of Z SSJ3 Goku VS Bills, the outcome would have differed greatly.

So then turning SSJ3 at that point would have been X400 times stronger than he was when fighting Kid Buu in SSJ3. Goku then trained for years with Uub (that makes his Base Form stronger than his Z SSJ3 self). That would make him even stronger when he turned SSJ3 to fight against Baby, Baby still trumped him. Then of course, there's SSJ4 which multiplies his SSJ3 form by 10.

Add that all up, and SSJ4 Goku was over X4000 times stronger than his SSJ3 self while fighting Bills. Giving all that then i'd say he should be able to beat (if not stomp) Bills.

As for SSJ4 Vegeta, he was equal to SSJ4 Goku because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to fuse into Gogeta.

Bills doesn't have any feats above stomping a weaker SSJ3 Goku, where as Goku does. SSJ4 outclasses Bills in feats (beating Baby Vegeta who stomped a stronger SSJ3 Goku than the one that Bills stomped). and power-scaling.

This

Like it or not, GT is massively powerful, base goku pretty much stomps most/every Z character.

#49 Edited by 18hunt (2891 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: not true! Have you even seen the movie, he is far above baby

#50 Edited by SheenLantern (6253 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt: I'd love to hear your reasoning for that.