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#251 Edited by xeon1cs (1478 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

@name12345: Shenron isn't omnipotent though.

There isn't an omnipotent in DBZ at all.

He had clear limitations on what people could and could not do with the Dragon Balls.

Wrong! those limitations are for humans only... infact they tricked him once to do something they could not.

Whatever think what you want, if you like to be illogical that's your problem.

I mean...I'm sorry you think Shenron is omnipotent, they made it pretty clear he wasn't.

#252 Edited by debeze (243 posts) - - Show Bio

@name12345: uulong wished vegeta and nappa away but it didnt work

#253 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2622 posts) - - Show Bio

So if one has a limitation how can he be called omnipotent?

#254 Posted by xeon1cs (1478 posts) - - Show Bio

So if one has a limitation how can he be called omnipotent?

He can't be. Plus it makes no sense for you to magically receive omnipotence if the person who created you isn't omnipotent in the first place, which at most you would just be nigh-omnipotent.

#255 Edited by name12345 (560 posts) - - Show Bio

@debeze said:

@name12345: uulong wished vegeta and nappa away but it didnt work

yea, even if that's true, which would be a mistake since goku always wants to fight STRONGER opponents...

even if that was true it would only mean that Shenron will not use his powers in a evil way, but his creator could certainly do

and again i'm not going to take you seriously in this mismatched GOD vs herald battle.... think what you want

#256 Edited by name12345 (560 posts) - - Show Bio

@ferdelance said:

So if one has a limitation how can he be called omnipotent?

So if i can do everything except creating cars can i kill you? yes, i think so

#257 Posted by xeon1cs (1478 posts) - - Show Bio

@debeze said:

@name12345: uulong wished vegeta and nappa away but it didnt work

yea, even if that's true, which would be a mistake since goku always wants to fight STRONGER opponents...

even if that was true it would only mean that Shenron will not use his powers in a evil way, but his creator could certainly do

and again i'm not going to take you seriously in this mismatched GOD vs herald battle.... think what you want

That's 100% speculation on your part.

There is nothing to suggest that Kami, or Dende could have wished for someone that anyone else couldn't have.

And again, being a god means nothing. I guess Thor must win every fight ever since he's a god.

#258 Edited by name12345 (560 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

@name12345 said:

@debeze said:

@name12345: uulong wished vegeta and nappa away but it didnt work

yea, even if that's true, which would be a mistake since goku always wants to fight STRONGER opponents...

even if that was true it would only mean that Shenron will not use his powers in a evil way, but his creator could certainly do

and again i'm not going to take you seriously in this mismatched GOD vs herald battle.... think what you want

That's 100% speculation on your part.

There is nothing to suggest that Kami, or Dende could have wished for someone that anyone else couldn't have.

And again, being a god means nothing. I guess Thor must win every fight ever since he's a god.

(infact Thor is not a god, he is an Asgardian, which is just only another race, this is a DBZ GOD!! it's different.)

no your are speculations, untill your case is proven

GOD >>>>>>> Herald

#259 Edited by xeon1cs (1478 posts) - - Show Bio

@ferdelance said:

So if one has a limitation how can he be called omnipotent?

So if i can do everything except creating cars can i kill you? yes, i think so

How is that relevant here? They cannot wish Shenron to kill someone.

Whether you want to accept it or not, he's pretty much a low-mid tier reality warper, with some pretty heavy restrictions when it comes to using his power offensively.

#260 Posted by debeze (243 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs: the true powerful dragon is porunga from namek he can do anything

#261 Edited by xeon1cs (1478 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

@name12345 said:

@debeze said:

@name12345: uulong wished vegeta and nappa away but it didnt work

yea, even if that's true, which would be a mistake since goku always wants to fight STRONGER opponents...

even if that was true it would only mean that Shenron will not use his powers in a evil way, but his creator could certainly do

and again i'm not going to take you seriously in this mismatched GOD vs herald battle.... think what you want

That's 100% speculation on your part.

There is nothing to suggest that Kami, or Dende could have wished for someone that anyone else couldn't have.

And again, being a god means nothing. I guess Thor must win every fight ever since he's a god.

no yours speculation, untill your case is proven

GOD >>>>>>> Herald

How is that my speculation when you're the one stating it, despite their being zero evidence to support that claim?

Again, Thor must never lose then, right?

#262 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2622 posts) - - Show Bio

@ferdelance said:

So if one has a limitation how can he be called omnipotent?

So if i can do everything except creating cars can i kill you? yes, i think so

Killing me wouldn't be difficult, but you wouldn't be omnipotent since you have a limitation.

#263 Posted by xeon1cs (1478 posts) - - Show Bio

@debeze said:

@xeon1cs: the true powerful dragon is porunga from namek he can do anything

Wasn't the only difference at the time that Porunga could grant 3 wishes, while Shenron was limited to one?

#264 Posted by name12345 (560 posts) - - Show Bio

@name12345 said:

@ferdelance said:

So if one has a limitation how can he be called omnipotent?

So if i can do everything except creating cars can i kill you? yes, i think so

Killing me wouldn't be difficult, but you wouldn't be omnipotent since you have a limitation.

yeah... that was not my point, my point is that Shenron is more powerful than SS, nigh-omnipoten and is just a creaton of a lesser God in DBZ

#265 Edited by name12345 (560 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

@name12345 said:

@xeon1cs said:

@name12345 said:

@debeze said:

@name12345: uulong wished vegeta and nappa away but it didnt work

yea, even if that's true, which would be a mistake since goku always wants to fight STRONGER opponents...

even if that was true it would only mean that Shenron will not use his powers in a evil way, but his creator could certainly do

and again i'm not going to take you seriously in this mismatched GOD vs herald battle.... think what you want

That's 100% speculation on your part.

There is nothing to suggest that Kami, or Dende could have wished for someone that anyone else couldn't have.

And again, being a god means nothing. I guess Thor must win every fight ever since he's a god.

no yours speculation, untill your case is proven

GOD >>>>>>> Herald

How is that my speculation when you're the one stating it, despite their being zero evidence to support that claim?

Again, Thor must never lose then, right?

YEAH SO IF I SAY THAT I COULD NEVER BEAT JESUS IN A FIGHT, IM SPECULATING RIGHT???

that's your stupid logic, so annoying talking with idiots

and thor is not a god he's just an asgardian

#266 Posted by debeze (243 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs: no he could grant any wish and revive people AS MANY TIMES as needed ,and he brought earth back after kid buu blew it up Etc

shenron cant bring ppl back to life more than once

#267 Posted by AngryHulks (2966 posts) - - Show Bio

Even the most powerful DBZ character is still less powerful than Galactus. Silver Surfer's matter manipulation ability is strong enough to practically grant me any material wishes as well.

#268 Edited by name12345 (560 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

Even the most powerful DBZ character is still less powerful than Galactus. Silver Surfer's matter manipulation ability is strong enough to practically grant me any material wishes as well.

Shenron can do the same, he doesn't have limitations on material wishes

#269 Edited by AngryHulks (2966 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

Even the most powerful DBZ character is still less powerful than Galactus. Silver Surfer's matter manipulation ability is strong enough to practically grant me any material wishes as well.

Shenron can do the same

Still, granting wishes have limitation, Shenron can not grant any wishes that is beyond the power scope of his creator.

#270 Edited by name12345 (560 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

@name12345 said:

@angryhulks said:

Even the most powerful DBZ character is still less powerful than Galactus. Silver Surfer's matter manipulation ability is strong enough to practically grant me any material wishes as well.

Shenron can do the same

Still, granting wishes have limitation, Shenron can not grant any wishes that is beyond the power scope of his creator.

or maybe his will? neither of us know the truth. But he can recreate planets and people etc.

and he doesn't have limitation on material things

#271 Posted by xeon1cs (1478 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

@name12345 said:

@angryhulks said:

Even the most powerful DBZ character is still less powerful than Galactus. Silver Surfer's matter manipulation ability is strong enough to practically grant me any material wishes as well.

Shenron can do the same

Still, granting wishes have limitation, Shenron can not grant any wishes that is beyond the power scope of his creator.

or maybe his will? neither of us know the truth. But he can recreate planets and people etc.

Congratulations. He's weaker than Franklin Richards when he was like 5 years old.

#272 Edited by name12345 (560 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

@name12345 said:

@angryhulks said:

@name12345 said:

@angryhulks said:

Even the most powerful DBZ character is still less powerful than Galactus. Silver Surfer's matter manipulation ability is strong enough to practically grant me any material wishes as well.

Shenron can do the same

Still, granting wishes have limitation, Shenron can not grant any wishes that is beyond the power scope of his creator.

or maybe his will? neither of us know the truth. But he can recreate planets and people etc.

Congratulations. He's weaker than Franklin Richards when he was like 5 years old.

congratulation what? i didn't create Shenron... wtf?

and who care about richards ? he is not the subject right now

#273 Edited by monarch_prime (363 posts) - - Show Bio

I care.

#274 Posted by SMXLR8 (1089 posts) - - Show Bio

@monarch_prime: LOL nice , DBZ has nothing on the Big dog in marvel and DC

#275 Posted by Walzo (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

@name12345:

Shenron was only able to do what was within the extent of his creator, he's not omnipotent or anything.

#276 Posted by Walzo (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

As explained, Silver Surfer defeats Bills via going intangible and then TPing/ blasting him.

#277 Posted by Universalshadow (33 posts) - - Show Bio
#278 Edited by Walzo (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

@universalshadow:

He hasn't done anything spectacular, it's just a character based off of him.

#279 Posted by valfranx (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave:

it seems that this is the part that says that goku was using 80% of its power, bills gets angry and disappointed that the ssjgod was not a opponent the height for him, and that is at this point that he begins to use 70% of its power? after seeing this scene saw some resemblance with fight freeza vs goku Kaioken x10 or goku ssj4 vs omega, where both dominates the fight with ease. goku even using 100% of its power not think it would be enough to defeat bills.

#280 Edited by name12345 (560 posts) - - Show Bio

@walzo said:

@name12345:

Shenron was only able to do what was within the extent of his creator, he's not omnipotent or anything.

infact that's not the point, the point is that Silversurfer is below Shenron's level, who's just the creation of a lesser God in DBZ.

Bills is one of the most powerful if not the most powerful dbz-God himself, so this fight is stupid... Bills would win easily there's nothing to argue about.

#281 Posted by Clark_EL (2171 posts) - - Show Bio

SS

#282 Edited by name12345 (560 posts) - - Show Bio

@clark_el said:

SS

fail.

Bills is a God and you don't even know all of his powers.

SS is just a herald,

where is your logic?

#283 Edited by AngryHulks (2966 posts) - - Show Bio

@clark_el said:

SS

fail.

Bills is a God and you don't even know all of his powers.

SS is just a herald,

where is your logic?

If he's not omnipotent God, then this is argument doesn't hold water.

Thor is God, Hercules is God, Odin is God, and even then some of the reality-warping conventional superheroes can easily beat them. Silver Surfer battle so many gods throughout his life.

#284 Edited by Clark_EL (2171 posts) - - Show Bio
#286 Edited by AngryHulks (2966 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks said:

@name12345 said:

@clark_el said:

SS

fail.

Bills is a God and you don't even know all of his powers.

SS is just a herald,

where is your logic?

If he's not omnipotent God, then this is argument doesn't hold water.

Thor is God, Hercules is God, Odin is God, and even then some of the reality-warping conventional superheroes can easily beat them. Silver Surfer battle so many gods throughout his life.

No in Marvel Thor is just an Asgardian. We can call them Gods, or Aliens it doesn't matter.

A real God is supposed to be a mystical entity. In certain mythologies (like the greek) a real God is immortal, and i'm not talking about aging... they can't really die.

So just because Asgardian's Gods are vulnerable to certain things it doesn't mean that every other God would be the same.

Thor is the God of what? thunder? thunder is a weak phenomenon... they can't even destroy a planet, that would be a weak god...

Bills is the God of Destruction of the Seventh Universe!!!!

Do you see the difference?!?! Silversurfer can't compete, you must be stupid if you don't get this. (sorry, but it's true)

Don't call me stupid when you don't even know my background, I remembered that you think a DBZ character can beat anyone from DC or Marvel.

Though this is not that relevant, Thor can destroy planet, and he have done it more than once, with little effort too. Asgardians are not aliens as they're born from mystical source rather than nature, so they're considered Gods as well as Olympus. Asgardians, many of them such as Thor and Odin have come back from the death as well because they're partially metaphysical in nature.

Bills is not on sky father's level, he can blow up 1000 more galaxies and Odin would still defeated him because blowing up things can only get you so far. Apparently Bills is not on Odin's level, so Surfer have more than a chance to beat Bills. Not to mention DBZ universe is probably barely the size of Virgo cluster.

#288 Posted by Walzo (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

@walzo said:

@name12345:

Shenron was only able to do what was within the extent of his creator, he's not omnipotent or anything.

infact that's not the point, the point is that Silversurfer is below Shenron's level, who's just the creation of a lesser God in DBZ.

Bills is one of the most powerful if not the most powerful dbz-God himself, so this fight is stupid... Bills would win easily there's nothing to argue about.

And he still doesn't have anything to answer for going intangible and TP.

God I can't wait until you get banned again.

#289 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks: @name12345: Hey gents, lets keep the insults to a complete minimum. There's no reason for either of you to get worked up over such things. Just keep it respectful and have some fun!

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#290 Edited by debeze (243 posts) - - Show Bio

50 years of feat vs one movie

#291 Posted by Frocharocha (1969 posts) - - Show Bio

@name12345 said:

@angryhulks said:

@name12345 said:

@clark_el said:

SS

fail.

Bills is a God and you don't even know all of his powers.

SS is just a herald,

where is your logic?

If he's not omnipotent God, then this is argument doesn't hold water.

Thor is God, Hercules is God, Odin is God, and even then some of the reality-warping conventional superheroes can easily beat them. Silver Surfer battle so many gods throughout his life.

No in Marvel Thor is just an Asgardian. We can call them Gods, or Aliens it doesn't matter.

A real God is supposed to be a mystical entity. In certain mythologies (like the greek) a real God is immortal, and i'm not talking about aging... they can't really die.

So just because Asgardian's Gods are vulnerable to certain things it doesn't mean that every other God would be the same.

Thor is the God of what? thunder? thunder is a weak phenomenon... they can't even destroy a planet, that would be a weak god...

Bills is the God of Destruction of the Seventh Universe!!!!

Do you see the difference?!?! Silversurfer can't compete, you must be stupid if you don't get this. (sorry, but it's true)

Don't call me stupid when you don't even know my background, I remembered that you think a DBZ character can beat anyone from DC or Marvel.

Though this is not that relevant, Thor can destroy planet, and he have done it more than once, with little effort too. Asgardians are not aliens as they're born from mystical source rather than nature, so they're considered Gods as well as Olympus. Asgardians, many of them such as Thor and Odin have come back from the death as well because they're partially metaphysical in nature.

Bills is not on sky father's level, he can blow up 1000 more galaxies and Odin would still defeated him because blowing up things can only get you so far. Apparently Bills is not on Odin's level, so Surfer have more than a chance to beat Bills. Not to mention DBZ universe is probably barely the size of Virgo cluster.

What makes you think he'd not on Odin level, if the statement about bills blowing up half of the universe, this make his Ki way over 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.,000,000,000,000,000x 100,000,000,000,000,000. So this makes him immune to a good number of attacks.

#292 Edited by Raw_Material (3207 posts) - - Show Bio

close one, but my edge goes to Silver Surfer.

#293 Posted by Marshall_Long (1718 posts) - - Show Bio

I would've said Surfer probably a few weeks ago but after reading up on Bills more I gotta go with Bills.

#294 Posted by XiiX (4811 posts) - - Show Bio

I would've said Surfer probably a few weeks ago but after reading up on Bills more I gotta go with Bills.

#295 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (21279 posts) - - Show Bio

SS mind wipes him.

#296 Posted by Walzo (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

@xiix said:

@marshall_long said:

I would've said Surfer probably a few weeks ago but after reading up on Bills more I gotta go with Bills.

He still has no counter to intangibility and TP.

#297 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (14194 posts) - - Show Bio

@neongamewave: You can't give characters feats that they haven't demonstrated. I really don't care what Akira Toriyama says or what the DBZ guide books/data books say.

wow. You know akira toriyama is the writer of Dragon ball, don't you? Whether or not you care about it, a writer's statement about his characters is always going to be taken as right. Doesn't matter if you're against it.

#298 Edited by Wardemon32 (3647 posts) - - Show Bio

WTF is this? SS Stomps?

#299 Posted by debeze (243 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: yup, every DC/Marvel wins against a dbz character even spiderman can solo dbz

#300 Posted by Walzo (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

@debeze:

1) No.

2) Surfer wins because Bills has no answer to intangibility and TP.