Bills vs Silver Surfer

I mean...I'm sorry you think Shenron is omnipotent, they made it pretty clear he wasn't.

@name12345: uulong wished vegeta and nappa away but it didnt work

So if one has a limitation how can he be called omnipotent?

He can't be. Plus it makes no sense for you to magically receive omnipotence if the person who created you isn't omnipotent in the first place, which at most you would just be nigh-omnipotent.

yea, even if that's true, which would be a mistake since goku always wants to fight STRONGER opponents...

even if that was true it would only mean that Shenron will not use his powers in a evil way, but his creator could certainly do

and again i'm not going to take you seriously in this mismatched GOD vs herald battle.... think what you want

So if i can do everything except creating cars can i kill you? yes, i think so

That's 100% speculation on your part.

There is nothing to suggest that Kami, or Dende could have wished for someone that anyone else couldn't have.

And again, being a god means nothing. I guess Thor must win every fight ever since he's a god.

(infact Thor is not a god, he is an Asgardian, which is just only another race, this is a DBZ GOD!! it's different.)

no your are speculations, untill your case is proven

GOD >>>>>>> Herald

How is that relevant here? They cannot wish Shenron to kill someone.

Whether you want to accept it or not, he's pretty much a low-mid tier reality warper, with some pretty heavy restrictions when it comes to using his power offensively.

@xeon1cs: the true powerful dragon is porunga from namek he can do anything

How is that my speculation when you're the one stating it, despite their being zero evidence to support that claim?

Again, Thor must never lose then, right?

Killing me wouldn't be difficult, but you wouldn't be omnipotent since you have a limitation.

Wasn't the only difference at the time that Porunga could grant 3 wishes, while Shenron was limited to one?

yeah... that was not my point, my point is that Shenron is more powerful than SS, nigh-omnipoten and is just a creaton of a lesser God in DBZ

YEAH SO IF I SAY THAT I COULD NEVER BEAT JESUS IN A FIGHT, IM SPECULATING RIGHT???

that's your stupid logic, so annoying talking with idiots

and thor is not a god he's just an asgardian

@xeon1cs: no he could grant any wish and revive people AS MANY TIMES as needed ,and he brought earth back after kid buu blew it up Etc

shenron cant bring ppl back to life more than once

Even the most powerful DBZ character is still less powerful than Galactus. Silver Surfer's matter manipulation ability is strong enough to practically grant me any material wishes as well.

Shenron can do the same, he doesn't have limitations on material wishes

Still, granting wishes have limitation, Shenron can not grant any wishes that is beyond the power scope of his creator.

or maybe his will? neither of us know the truth. But he can recreate planets and people etc.

and he doesn't have limitation on material things

Congratulations. He's weaker than Franklin Richards when he was like 5 years old.

congratulation what? i didn't create Shenron... wtf?

and who care about richards ? he is not the subject right now

I care.

@monarch_prime: LOL nice , DBZ has nothing on the Big dog in marvel and DC

@name12345:

Shenron was only able to do what was within the extent of his creator, he's not omnipotent or anything.

As explained, Silver Surfer defeats Bills via going intangible and then TPing/ blasting him.

Dragon Ball doesn't have an omnipotent, eh?

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@universalshadow:

He hasn't done anything spectacular, it's just a character based off of him.

@neongamewave:

it seems that this is the part that says that goku was using 80% of its power, bills gets angry and disappointed that the ssjgod was not a opponent the height for him, and that is at this point that he begins to use 70% of its power? after seeing this scene saw some resemblance with fight freeza vs goku Kaioken x10 or goku ssj4 vs omega, where both dominates the fight with ease. goku even using 100% of its power not think it would be enough to defeat bills.

infact that's not the point, the point is that Silversurfer is below Shenron's level, who's just the creation of a lesser God in DBZ.

Bills is one of the most powerful if not the most powerful dbz-God himself, so this fight is stupid... Bills would win easily there's nothing to argue about.

SS

fail.

Bills is a God and you don't even know all of his powers.

SS is just a herald,

where is your logic?

If he's not omnipotent God, then this is argument doesn't hold water.

Thor is God, Hercules is God, Odin is God, and even then some of the reality-warping conventional superheroes can easily beat them. Silver Surfer battle so many gods throughout his life.

@name12345: thinking of different person sorry.

Don't call me stupid when you don't even know my background, I remembered that you think a DBZ character can beat anyone from DC or Marvel.

Though this is not that relevant, Thor can destroy planet, and he have done it more than once, with little effort too. Asgardians are not aliens as they're born from mystical source rather than nature, so they're considered Gods as well as Olympus. Asgardians, many of them such as Thor and Odin have come back from the death as well because they're partially metaphysical in nature.

Bills is not on sky father's level, he can blow up 1000 more galaxies and Odin would still defeated him because blowing up things can only get you so far. Apparently Bills is not on Odin's level, so Surfer have more than a chance to beat Bills. Not to mention DBZ universe is probably barely the size of Virgo cluster.

And he still doesn't have anything to answer for going intangible and TP.

God I can't wait until you get banned again.

@angryhulks: @name12345: Hey gents, lets keep the insults to a complete minimum. There's no reason for either of you to get worked up over such things. Just keep it respectful and have some fun!

50 years of feat vs one movie

What makes you think he'd not on Odin level, if the statement about bills blowing up half of the universe, this make his Ki way over 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.,000,000,000,000,000x 100,000,000,000,000,000. So this makes him immune to a good number of attacks.

close one, but my edge goes to Silver Surfer.

I would've said Surfer probably a few weeks ago but after reading up on Bills more I gotta go with Bills.

SS mind wipes him.

He still has no counter to intangibility and TP.

wow. You know akira toriyama is the writer of Dragon ball, don't you? Whether or not you care about it, a writer's statement about his characters is always going to be taken as right. Doesn't matter if you're against it.

WTF is this? SS Stomps?

@wardemon32: yup, every DC/Marvel wins against a dbz character even spiderman can solo dbz

@debeze:

1) No.

2) Surfer wins because Bills has no answer to intangibility and TP.