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#1 Edited by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

Pym Falls:

This battle takes place in Pym Falls, the resting place of an alternate reality Henry Pym. The city nearby is completely destroyed and has no tech or equipment to scavenge nor people to manipulate. Once the battle starts, you cannot leave a 10 mile radius regardless of powers due to ambient Pym Particle radiation making the area unstable. Those black dots are trees and the black lines are roads.

In Pym's belt buckle, there is a supply of Pym Particles sufficient for 1 person but the buckle is encrypted and will take 30 minutes to crack regardless of skills or powers.

Rules:

  • No BFR is allowed but if you can manage to push someone into space who can't survive in space, it will work as expected.
  • No Tele-BFR or Dismemberment
  • Win is by Death, Incapacitation, or KO
  • Each team gets 5 minutes prep and basic info about the enemy team. The Basic Info includes names, pictures, and abiities. Bought Equipment is not known until you engage it. Obviously, if you have the perks that grant you more prep or knowledge, you get that instead.
  • The First Team Listed starts in the at his feet while the Second Team Listed starts in his skull.
  • Bought Items are listed in Parentheses. 2nd round items are listed in the second set of parentheses.

@juiceboks

  • Batman - Standard Suit, Utility Belt (Green Lantern Ring)
  • Green Arrow - Bow and Trick Arrows (Tactigon, Pym Particles)
  • Nightwing - Standard Suit, Escrima Batons (Quantum Bands)
  • Cassandra Cain - Standard Suit, Utility Belt (Bleeding Edge Armor)
  • Creeper - (Shen Gong Wu, Anti-Venom)

Banking 1 High Tier Point

Achievements:

  • Just Us League (Cold Gun)
  • Meek Inherit Earth

vs.

@thetruebarryallen

  • Daredevil - Billy Clubs (Captain Britain's Suit) (Pig, Snake, and Ox Talisman)
  • Cyborg - (Tactigon) (Battle Computer, Cold Gun, Rabbit and Rooster Talisman)
  • Hawkeye - Bow and Trick Arrows (Cold Gun, Iron Spider Suit) (Dragon, Sheep, and Tiger Talisman)
  • Tim Drake - Utility Belt, Costume, Grappling Hook, Red Robin Throwing Discs (Medusa Mask, Nth Metal Mask and Bo Staff) (Cold Gun, Vibranium Suit and Shield, Dog and Horse Talisman)
  • Iron Fist - (10 Rings of Mandarin, Vibranium Suit and Shield) (Rat and Monkey Talisman)

Banking 1 High Tier Points and 2 Mid Tier Points

Achievements:

  • Meek Inherit Earth
#2 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Edited by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

The Battleground

So according to the original post my team will start inside of the skull. It's honestly not a bad location to attempt to defend. It's only got several openings around it so with a team of 5 each entrance could be watched by one of my various members. It's also a closed location that would bring everyone close together, requiring H2H combat. This may be a useful fallback point depending on how this battle goes!

Other than that the entire place appears to be a snowy wasteland with an abandoned city nearby. I'm wondering, @diredrill, with the 10 mile radius limit for the battleground are we able to get into the city at all? From the picture it looks like it but I could just have the depth wrong. I can't tell if we're supposed to stay in the rather opened up battleground ( which would be interesting since both of our teams have incredibly stealthy characters ). So until I learn more about that I won't be saying much haha.

Pym Particles: Due to the fact that Hawkeye already has a Pym Particles Trick Arrow I'm not too eager to send my team searching for those, so unless they see that you're trying to access them then they're not going to even bother with it.

Cyborg

Victor Stone was once a high school football star who, after an accident disfigured his body, is now more machine than man who works with the Justice League.

Powers

Superhuman Strength - Due to his mechanical enhancements Cyborg can bench press several tons.

Superhuman Endurance - His mechanical body has increased his durability. Also due to various modifications he can survive without sleep & can breathe under water.

Computer Interfacing - Cyborg can infiltrate computers and obtain data from them. He's also used to doing research in the Watchtower, whose computer can preform 100 Trillion Calculations in a single second, so it's clear that he can process information quickly if he sorts through that.

Flight - Due to jets in his boots Cyborg possess the power of flight.

Teleportation - Via Boom Tube Technology Cyborg can teleport himself or groups of people. A recent upgrade has given his teleportation a silent feature, which allowed Cyborg to teleport Batman right near Superman & Wonder Woman, who heard nothing and were generally surprised by Batman's appearance.

Self Repair - Cyborg can flawlessly repair his parts no matter how worn out they are. His repair system has also enhanced his biological parts.

Integrated Weapons System - The most popular weapon we see Cyborg use is his Sound Amplifier or White Sound Cannon. It was used to restrain Superman in the comics due to his sensitive hearing abilities. It's also powerful enough to level buildings and blow apart rock.

Map Creation/Tracking - Cyborg has been shown on numerous occasions to be able to download schematics or blueprints of various areas and create a pop up map for them. His Boom-Tube Technology also works by registering known Heroes into his systems, allowing him to transport them even without their will/consent. This was shown during the Throne of Atlantis Arc.

Abilities

Cyborg is shown to be an experienced combatant. He was able to hold his own in combat when Doomsday attacked, fighting off large numbers of Parademons before he had even truly adjusted to his cybernetic enhancements. His proficiency in combat was shown further during the Throne of Atlantis Arc, where he fought off Atlantians during the invasion led by Orm. His cybernetic enhancements also have given him increased senses of sight and hearing. He is constantly used in the Justice League for creating maps, teleporting the team, hacking/infiltrating computer systems, and sorting through data quickly to find out useful information.

Various Scans of the feats listed above: Data Obtaining, Sound Cannon Feats, Boom Tube Feats

Equipment

Tactigon - The Tactigon is an alien piece of technology that can find an enemy's weakness, and exploit it. It has been classified as an Omega Level Threat by War Machine. It can virtually become any weapon that is required in the current situation that the user faces.

Battle Computer - The Battle Computer allows the user to obtain information on how a fight would go down, then allowing them to work backwards to accurately predict the opponents next moves. Combine this with Cyborgs already powerful information processing abilities and he becomes an incredibly gifted strategist & combatant.

Cold Gun - Captain Cold's Cold gun is an INCREDIBLE piece of technology. The Cold Gun reaches temperatures of Absolute Zero, which would essentially freeze anything it touches, allowing it to then be shattered. The Cold Gun can also create a "Cold Field" that, to normal mortals who do not posses Super Speed, becomes lethal.

This is an example of the Cold Field working, along with an explanation by the Captain of Cold on what it does in terms of slowing people down. NOTE: I have 3 of these on my team.

Rabbit Talisman - The Rabbit Talisman gives the user the ability to move at the Speed of Sound. Combined with the Rooster Talisman the user can fly at Super Sonic Speeds.

Rooster Talisman - The Rooster Talisman gifts the user with the power of flight. Combined with the Rabbit Talisman the user can fly at Super Sonic Speeds.

All in all, Cyborg is a power house. He'll be able to move at Super Sonic Speeds on both land and in air. He doesn't get exhausted since he's more machine than man, and can keep fighting the good fight. His Boom Tube Technology allows for stealthy teleportations of himself, others, or large groups. With the Battle Computer helping him see each step of the fight combined with the awesome power of the Tactigon, Cyborg becomes a technological killing machine.

Daredevil

The Man without Fear. Daredevil has been blinded yet uses his other enhanced senses and acrobatic skills to bring justice to those who do wrong.

Powers

Enhanced Senses - Daredevil's blindness caused his other senses to increase dramatically. With his hearing he has developed a sort of 'radar sense' using echolocation. He is capable of hearing various sounds at incredible distances or recognize changes in the atmosphere. His sense of smell has been used to catch traces of gun powder in the air even when the shooter is several blocks away. It's also been said that his sense of touch is so acute that he can read by feeling the ink on pages.

Abilities

Daredevil is a master of the Martial Arts, and was trained by The Stick. Daredevil uses a specially designed Billy Club in all of his fights and has been seen to block bullets on numerous occasions with it, which one could assume means he has incredible reflexes and agility. He's also a skilled detective, since he works as an attorney in his civilian disguise. Due to his enhanced senses he has been seen to have a sort of 'sixth sense' for teleportation users, and can sense their arrival due to the changes in the atmosphere. It was also shown that his mind is highly resistant to telepaths, due to all the work that goes into functioning at the levels he does with his various senses it uses, it causes an overload.

Various Scans featuring DD deflecting multiple projectiles with his Billy Club, redirecting a bullet into the shooters head, and catching projectiles before they can hit their target.
Various Scans featuring DD in h2h combat.

Equipment

Billy Club - Daredevil has a customized Billy Club that he uses for combat purposes. It contains 30 feet of aircraft control cable that is connected to a steel grappling hook. He can split this club into two parts, one that is a baton while the other is a curved hook. Daredevil is able to use the club to block bullets and send them back at their targets, as well as a throwing weapon, and has been shown throwing it at gunmen before they can fire their gun's off.

Various Blueprints of the Billy Club and several uses. I avoided posting bullet deflecting feats here since I did that above.

Captain Britain's Suit - The Battle Suit worn by Brian Braddock that gives him Superhuman Strength, Speed, Stamina, Durability, Reflexes, Senses, and the ability to fly at Supersonic Speeds. ( I'll have to see if @diredrill intended this suit to be used with the emotions controlling the potential of the suit or if it's just the average battle suit ).

Ox Talisman - The Ox Talisman gives the user increased levels of Strength & Durability. Combined with the power to move a Supersonic Speeds the user is able to turn themselves into a battering ram.

Pig Talisman - The Pig Talisman grants the user the ability to fire optic blasts. It also allows them to see heat signatures.

Snake Talisman - The Snake Talisman allows the user to turn themselves invisible.

Daredevil is a rather formidable foe. He's now got Superhuman levels of strength, durability, speed, stamina, and reflexes combined with his already amazing abilities. The Talismans will allow him to seek out foes stealthily since he'll be invisible and able to search for their heat signatures, along with sniffing them out or hearing them from incredibly great distances. His Multi-Purpose Billy Club is also incredibly useful for any combat situation.

Hawkeye

Powers

Hawkeye became the greatest sharp-shooter known to man. He then joined the Avengers. This is what he does when he's not being an avenger. That's all you need to know.

Abilities

Hawkeye is a Grandmaster Archer and an experienced combatant. He is an exceptional fencer and is known for his ability to turn anything into a weapon. His body is at the peak of human conditioning, coupled with the fact that he is a skilled acrobat. He's also been trained in H2H combat by Captain America along with obtaining tactics from the good Captain. All in all, Hawkeye is a deadly force to be reckoned with at any distance.

Equipment

Bow - Hawkeye's Bow is what allows him to work well at long distances with all of his trick arrows.It's been shown to be incredibly difficult for others to use in combat, which shows that Hawkeye has incredible skill with the weapon.

Trick Arrows - What fun is an archer in comics without a multitude of trick arrows? Now I'm not saying that Hawkeye can carry ALL of these Arrows at once, but I've got a couple scans showing what Trick Arrows he's used in the past, along with what his Quiver Contains, we'll just assume that he's using what the Quiver shows.

The first 2 photos show what arrows he's used throughout the history of his character, while the last scan shows what his quiver normally contains.

Cold Gun - This was covered above in the CYBORG section.

Iron Spider Suit - The Iron Spider Suit was a suit created by Tony Stark FOR Peter Parker. The suit has a multitude of features including 3 "Waldoes" which are 3 large metal legs that grow from the backpack to allow for wall crawling. They've also got cameras on the tips of them so they can see around corners. The Suit also features a Filtration Mask & Enhanced Lenses. The Suits Antenna allows for 'Speed of Thought' control. The suit also contains a Super-Conducting Plastic Opto-Electrical Hybrid Computer 4.2 Teraflop Speed CPU, from Stark Industries, that helps prevent it from being attacked by other tech devices. It has a self repair system & basic first aid abilities. The Suit also has gliding capabilities.

< This photo was posted to show the Waldoes on the back of the suit.

Dragon Talisman - This Talisman grants the user Pyrokinesis.

Sheep Talisman - The Sheep Talisman is a rather interesting talisman that allows the user to leave their body and wander around as a soul. While in the soul form they are inaudible, can fly through walls, and can't be seen. It has also been demonstrated that the Sheep Talisman can be used to eject a foe's soul of their body, causing their physical body to ragdoll and slump to the ground.

Tiger Talisman - This Talisman allows the user to split themselves into two different halves, the "good" half and the "bad" half. It's essentially the Yin and Yang.

Hawkeye is danger at a distance. The Iron Spider suit will allow him to survive harsher conditions and give some some extra armor against incoming attacks while he fires a flurry of arrows at his foes.

Tim Drake ( Red Robin )

Powers

Tim Drake has no powers

Abilities

Tim has been trained by both Batman and Lady Shiva in various arts of combat. He is an incredible detective and was able to deduce the identities of Batman & Robin while he was a young lad. Ra's al Ghul has also addressed Tim as "Detective", a title that was once reserved for Batman. Like the other Robin's Tim is a skilled acrobat, though Timothy is inoculated against Joker Venom, Fear Toxin, and various Poison Ivy Pheromones.Tim has also led several versions of the Teen Titans and led the Young Justice Team for some time. He excels in computer science, biology, genetics, and engineering. Tim is also a skilled escape artist and has been trained by Nightwing & Batman. Batman even admitted that Tim Drake was smarter than he.

Equipment

Utility Belt - The utility belt is the standard for members of the Bat Family. It's contents usually contain a Grappling Gun/Hook, A Camera, Tracers, Smoke Pellets, Bola's, and various other gadgets. I assume I don't have to go that in depth with this considering all of your members ( besides the Creeper ) are members of the Bat Family and have their own utility belts.

Costume - Tim's Costume is made of Kevlar and can withstand some punishment. The Metal Wings on his back can defend him against corrosive acids and bullets. He can also use the Wing's to Fly.

Tim has achieved flight with his costume and uses it to protect himself from various attacks.

Grappling Hook - It's a standard grappling hook. You shoot it at something, it hooks to the something you shot at, it then lets you climb to that something. Wooohooo.

Red Robin Throwing Discs - Instead of using Bat-a-Rangs Tim uses throwing discs imbued with the Red Robin insignia.

Cold Gun - I have so many of these crazy Cold Gun's on my team. I'm not going to explain it again XD

Medusa Mask - The Medusa Mask is the mask worn by Psycho Pirate. The mask allows the wearer to project emotions onto others, or expand upon emotions that they're already feeling. This can cause people to go into an uncontrollable rage, subdue them into a calming state, or make them fall deeply in love with the next person they see. It is also said that the Mask holds the remnants of the Multiverse and is capable of summoning any of the characters of the realities that once existed.

Using the mask to force Power Girl to feel happy and to send Smallville into a riot. He later used the Mask to send an enraged Superboy after Superman.

Nth Metal Mask & Bo Staff - Nth Metal is a material that allows the wearer to negate gravity. It also increase the rate at which wounds heal, increase the strength of the user, protects them from the elements, and protects them from extremes in temperature. Tim also traditionally uses a Bo Staff in combat, so with the Nth Metal staff he will be able to hit harder and recover quicker.

Vibrainium Suit & Shield - Vibranium is a lightweight metal that deadens kinetic energy when it makes contact with an object. It cannot be cut through unless it's cut along the grain. Captain America's Shield is made of Vibranium. Black Panther also has a body suit made of Vibranium.

Dog Talisman - The Dog Talisman grants the user the power of immortality. When combined the the Horse Talisman the user will feel no pain and cannot die.

Horse Talisman - The Horse Talisman grants the user the power of healing. It can instantly cure the user of disease or illness, prevent physical injury, mend broken bones, and relieve disorientation.

So Timothy is one tricky ace. He's got several gadgets and gizmos that'll give him the edge in a fight and has the smarts to plan several steps ahead. With the Nth Metal weaponry he'll be stronger, and with the Vibranium armor & shield he'll be well protected from attacks. The Talismans will protect him from pain and death & the Medusa Mask will give him the power to emotionally manipulate his foes.

Iron Fist

Daniel Rand is a master of Chi and martial arts, and can use his abilities to harness the power of the Iron Fist!

Powers

Iron Fist - Rand can harness the power of the Iron Fist that gives his fist the solidity of Iron and makes it impervious to pain. It hits with an impact of Superhuman Strength that can devastate his foes. What would you think a hero named Iron Fist would do? :D

Chi Abilities - Rand can use his chi in a variety of ways. One way that he can use his Chi powers to his advantage is to augment his physical abilities, making him move at Superhuman Speeds, give him incredible reflexes, grant him Superhuman Strength, or give him an incredible amount of stamina and durability. Rand can also use his Chi in a more passive way, using it to heal himself. He also has displayed slight telepathic abilities, able to calm a rioting mob by himself.

Abilities

Danny is a master of K'un Lun's martial arts, along with many of Earth's fighting disciplines. He has held his own against Skarr and Ragnarok ( Son of Hulk & Android Clone of Thor, respectively ). He is registered as a lethal weapon, even without his Iron Fist abilities. Rand is also a skilled acrobat and has been shown to dodge various attacks from foes like The Hulk or evade projectiles such as bullets. He has proven himself to be one of the best H2H combatants in the Marvel Universe.

Iron Fist goes against Wolverine, Collosus, and Nightcrawler before being stopped by Storm

Equipment

Vibranium Suit & Shield - These were explained in the TIM DRAKE section.

Rat Talisman - The Rat Talisman gives the user to give life to inanimate or lifeless objects.

Monkey Talisman - The Monkey Talisman grants the user the power to shapeshift into various animals. It's just like Beast Boy!

10 Rings of the Mandarin - The 10 Rings of the Mandarin are rings that each posses a great power, one ring is worn on each finger. The various powers will be explained below, though it must be known that they are controlled by a strong connection to the rings via telepathy or a chi connection.

  • Ice Blast - "The ring emits waves of cold which can be used to stun an opponent. The ring usually causes the air in the path of its blast to turn to ice, and can lower an object's temperature to nearly absolute zero."
  • Mento Intensifier - "The ring magnifies the wearer's own psionic energy, allowing him to place one or more people under his mental control and to transmit orders to them mentally. Most frequently used to create illusions."
  • Electro Blast - "The ring emits electricity in amounts at intensities mentally determined by the wearer. The maximum current attainable is not known."
  • Flame Blast - "The ring emits infrared radiation, or heat, at intensities mentally determined by the wearer. Usually the heat produces flame through incandescing the molecules in the air in the path of the blast. The heat beam can be used to trigger chemical explosions. The maximum amount of heat it can generate is not known."
  • White Light - "This ring can emit various forms of energy along the electromagnetic spectrum. Has been used to create gravity powerful enough to make Iron Man bury himself by trying to walk forward."
  • Black Light - "The ring can create an area of absolute blackness that seems to absorb all light used within it. Although "black light" is a term used to refer to ultraviolet radiation, the darkness created by the ring is probably a form of the "darkforce" used by Cloak, Darkstar, and the Shroud."
  • Disintegration Beam - "The ring emits a beam of energy that destroys all bonds between the atoms and molecules of the object it strikes. This ring needs twenty minutes to recharge after use."
  • Vortex Beam - "The ring causes the air to move about at high speed in a vortex. The vortex can be used as an offensive weapon, as a means of levitating objects, or as a means of propelling the ring's wearer through the air."
  • Impact Beam - "This ring can project various forms of energy, most frequently that of fast neutrons with great concussive force. The ring has also been used to project intense sonic vibrations and to create magnetic waves to attract or repel objects. The ring may be capable of emitting other forms of energy as well, and has been used to send Iron Man slamming through a mountain."
  • Matter Rearranger - "This ring can rearrange the atoms and molecules of a substance, or speed up or slow down their movement, so as to produce various effects. The ring has been used to condense water vapor in the air to liquid water, to solidify gasses, to create lethal poison gas from the air, to turn a group of men to stone, to turn a man into a beetle, to turn a mountain into a rock-monster, and to make a stone hand large enough to engulf Iron Man's body erupt from the floor. The ring cannot rearrange the atoms and molecules of Iron Man's magnetic-beam reinforced armor."
Various feats of the Mandarin using his rings, just to show how each ring works in the comics.

Iron Fist is a master of Chi, and given a month with those rings should give him a decent handle over them. I'm not saying he'll be able to replicate what the Mandarin can do with them, but he'll have a better grasp on them than someone like Hawkeye or Tim Drake would. His already amazing H2H combat skills combined with his protective Vibranium Suit and Shield should give him the edge in close encounters, and his mental abilities combined with the powers of the rings should help him block out the telepathy of the MM Amazo.

So what do I do now?

Well, there are two people on your team that are major threats to me

  • The Creeper
  • Amazo w/Aquaman & Martian Manhunter

CREEPER:

The Creeper is scary to me mostly because of his laugh that'll really put the hurting on Daredevil. My team knows DD's weaknesses, and given those 5 minutes of prep they'd decide that they need to get rid of him ASAP, because Daredevil is a pretty awesome member of the team who brings a lot to the table. Now I see that Creeper has the Shen Gong Wu, which I'll have no idea what they do until you use them, but from what I recall from the show each of them seem to have a "Be careful what you wish for" background to them, where if you misuse them or mistake their initial abilities you'd goof up and end up causing yourself more trouble, but you've been given a month with em so Ol' Creepy is probably pretty good with them. Since I've got 3 Cold Gun's, all given to people with great accuracy ( Tim, Cyborg, Hawkeye ) I think he'd want to watch out for a chilling blast of Absolute Zero. The Tactigon would also be seeking out his weaknesses and creating a weapon designed to assault them, combine it with the Battle Computer and I don't think that Creeper will be able to out maneuver Cyborg. Mostly because Cyborg has an essentially infinite amount of weapons and has the battle all mapped out.

AMAZO:

Once Creeper is KO'ed then it'd be time to focus on Amazo. His telepathy is incredible since he's got MM levels, but I don't know if he'd be able to do anything to Cyborg (since he's lots of machine), Iron Fist ( Because of his own mental abilities combined with the Mento Intensifier), and Daredevil (since the insane usage of his senses typically overwhelms telepaths). So I'd send these three to focus on the Android. Cyborg would be looking for it's weaknesses with the Tactigon while Iron Fist blasted away with his Electro Blast Ring. Daredevil would be a great distraction since he's agile and can turn invisible via the Snake Talisman. I know that Amazo is going to be incredibly durable due to having the toughness of a Martian AND an Atlantian, but he's been defeated before by the Justice League, so I think that the combined force of these heroes would be powerful enough to eventually get the job done.

BATMAN:

Good ol' Bat's has the Green Lantern Ring, which is terrifying! Good thing I prepared to fight such a ring with Rings of my own! Using the Blacklight Ring Iron Fist should be able to absorb the Light Constructs that it creates, since it cancels out light and the ring creates constructs of light. Daredevil will be able to see in the complete blackness because he has the pig talisman, granting him the ability to see thermal signatures, plus he's already got incredible senses so finding Batman shouldn't be too much of a task for him. If fighting in the dark turns out to be an awful and insane idea than Iron Fist can turn the switch back on with the White Light and blind the hell out of everyone. Eventually Batman would tire since he's dealing with beings who have been enhanced by various armors and pieces of equipment, and would fall prey to the might of the Might-tastic 5!

( There is also the chance that Tim could emotionally wreck Batman using Psycho Pirates Mask )

NIGHTWING:

I just looked at those Quantum bands and they scared the heck outta me! That was until I saw they were susceptible to the Dark Force. I'm sure that Nightwing wouldn't like it if he got attacked by Hawkeye launching a volly of trick arrows at him. This would be a great distraction as Cyborg brought himself and Iron Fist close to ol' Grayson using his Boom Tubes. Then after the Tactigon starts seeking out a weakness and creates various weapons and after Dick get's tired of dodging arrows then Iron Fist would be able to manipulate the Dark Force to attack Nightwing and bring him the hurt! Plus like I mentioned earlier, Daredevil would be able to see in such a situation due to the Pig Talisman so that wouldn't be much of a problem.

CASSANDRA CAIN:

She's got that lovely Iron Man Bleeding Edge Armor that we love so much. Since Iron Man's armor isn't a fan of the Mandarin's Rings or of great levels of Heat that's what we'd blast at it. Using the power of the Flame Blasts from the Rings, the Optic Blast from the Pig Talisman, and the Pyrokinesis from the Dragon Talisman it'd eventually get really toasty in that suit, causing some serious pain to the person inside it. Even though the Suit has a variety of weapons and defenses if the user gets too tired than I don't think that it'd be all that useful. So after Cassandra get's roasted all the guys start cooking some bacon on the hot armor and then eat after a hard days work.

Edit: I FORGOT GREEN ARROW LOL

GREEN ARROW:

Holy Smoley! He's got the Tactigon AND he's got some amazing accuracy. How accurate would he be if he was fighting in pure Blackness though? Or what if all the projectiles he fired turned into balloons?! Well with the powers of the Mandarin's Ring's Iron Fist should be able to frustrate ol' Oliver Queen quite a bit. Cyborg also has one of those lovely Tactigons, and his cybernetic eye could greatly assist his aim/marksmanship by locking onto the Emerald Archer, especially since Victor is moving at Supersonic Speeds. Hawkeye is also someone who'd get on his nerves, though he has less feats, he's still an amazing marksman and could cause some trouble, though probably wouldn't be able to do all that much.

So yeah. I can't wait to see what you've got to say because I think this'll be a fun debate! :D

@juiceboks

#4 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetruebarryallen: The city seems to be within 10 miles but again it is rather abandoned. Feel free to use it.

The Captain Britain suit functions more like a standard battle suit.

#5 Posted by dondave (37251 posts) - - Show Bio

This should be good

#6 Edited by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

@diredrill Awesome, thanks for clarifying all of that, I'm glad it's not the emotion linked suit haha. I can't wait for Juiceboks to respond so I can actually create more of a strategy. Once I know what he's doing it'll be much easier to try and counter it all.

#7 Edited by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetruebarryallen Very impressive layout man! I sure wasn't expecting all that. I'll come up with a strategy along with a response to your bios and post it all tommorow.

@diredrill Oh and I forgot to ask this from the first round. What feats for Batman with a GL ring can I use? Hal's? John's? Guy's? Kyle's? ALL of them!? 0.0

#8 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks Thanks! I was actually inspired by another viner competing in this tournament, I believe it was @i_like_swords who was incredibly organized in the first round post that I viewed.

I can't wait for a response :) Win or lose I've been having a blast for my first ever tournament.

#9 Posted by i_like_swords (14204 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks: As for what feats are available to you, really it is whatever you think that the judges will believe that Batman can do with a Green Lantern Ring given a months practice. Anyone's feats are fair game but be ready to defend the choice.

#11 Edited by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetruebarryallen Alright so here's my bio and all that good stuff. I'll post my strategy in a lil bit.

@diredrill Noted.

Batman

Everyone's favorite caped crusader of justice. With a twist! His indomitable will has been shown to be one of his most valuable assets so what better way to showcase that than with a Green Lantern ring? Obviously he couldn't hope to make up for the vast experience and skill of other veteran lanterns like Hal, Kyle, and John, but with 2 months practice he certainly wouldn't be considered a greenhorn. His shields and constructs are powerful enough to prove that choosing the most powerful weapon in the universe was one of the best decisions he's ever made since recruiting Barbara Gordon.

Green Arrow

Ollie has always proved to be one of the more relatable characters of the JLA despite his wealthy background. His political views and attitude have led to getting on the bad side on several other members, but that doesn't stop them from working like a well oiled machine when duty calls. Widely revered as the number one archer in the world, his personal motto of "never missing a shot" has held true even to this day. It would only make sense to give a weapon capable of transforming into anything to perhaps the greatest marksman in comic book history.

Nightwing

The first and perhaps most favored Robin, Dick has proved time and time again to be a shining example of a former sidekick evolved into much much more. His unique choice of weapons, the Escrima Batons, combined with his acrobatic background give him a unique and very effective fighting style. His superweapons, the famous Quantum Bands, allow him to absorb and project virtually all forms of energy for a variety of purposes along with interstellar flight and teleportation dubbed Quantum Leaps.

Cassandra Cain

Being the daughter of two of the greatest fighters in the DC universe, you'd think Cassandra would be a martial arts prodigy of her own. Well you'd be wrong, Cassie is a martial arts master who has served as the leader of the League of Assassins and even defeated her own mother. She has learned how to read opponents movements to the point where she knows what someone will do before they attempt to do so. The famous Bleeding Edge Armor should give her the enhanced physical stats to contend with any heavy hitters she happens to meet in this tournament. Oh and the nanomachines capable of turning into anything from a mini nuke to a mini coupe is useful too.

Creeper

Mr. Jack Ryder is a left wing talkshow host with a laugh as insane as his political views. His demon side allows for enhanced strength, agility, sharp claws, a healing factor that has allowed him to cheat death on several occasions, and his infamous laugh that can cause agonizing pain of anyone within earshot. His manic mannerisms and unpredictable fighting style have earned him the fitting moniker of Creeper. So what better compliment to such an insane individual? How about an alien symbiote? Specifically the anti venom symbiote. This unique symbiote shares all of the strengths of the venom symbiote(only enhanced) and none of it's weaknesses. It also has has the uncanny ability of healing and purging others of toxins and wounds within their bodies. So potent this ability to the point where it can completely reverse mutations as shown by curing the denizens of Spider Island. It would seem these two are a match made in heaven.

#12 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

I just wanted to throw this in because I had been thinking about it for a while and I think that it'd be a good addition to my team. Currently I am in possession of the Rat Talisman, which, gives life to the lifeless. In the Jackie Chan Adventures Show the Talisman had been shown to animate statues, puppets, and various other inanimate objects. Wouldn't a skeleton technically be an inanimate object that would allow for re-animation? Now I'm not saying that this AR Henry Pym would come back in the Flesh and Bone but his skeleton would prove to be an incredible useful addition to my team, I mean it's HUGE and would cause a rather large distraction if it started to attack your team under my command.

Now for some reason if the Rat Talisman isn't enough to bring it back then Iron Fist should be able to give some assistance. The Matter Re-arranger ring has been shown to turn a mountain into a living being, a gigantic rock monster if you will. So I see no reason why it couldn't be combined with the animation powers of the Rat Talisman in order to bring that Skeleton into the fight.

Doing so would cause great troubles for your team, especially if they were trying to open the belt, because now the thing is walking around swinging at various members of your team.

Iron Fist also has the ability to create Vortexes with the Rings. If he were to create a vortex around Creeper and was aided by Cyborg ( who has super speed due to the talismans ) wouldn't he be able to suck the oxygen right out of the area thus reducing the scream useless?

The Bleeding Edge armor also isn't that much of a problem on Cassandra either, because if IF focuses enough he could do what Mandarin did to Iron Man, make him SO heavy that he ends up burying himself by walking. Once the armor is heavy enough and becomes rather stationary it'd just be suspect to a beat down from Daredevil whose got Super Strength due to the Suit he's wearing and from Hawkeyes Dragon Talisman, which would effectively start roasting Cassandra in her own armor.

#13 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

@diredrill Bahahaha I was sitting there looking at it like what the heck can I do with this thing?! Then I found out what I could do with it!

#15 Posted by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetruebarryallen Before I comment on your strategy, lemme post mine.

Prep

5 minutes isn't alotta time to do too much, so there isn't anything special my team is gonna do. Nightwing will Quantum Leap to outer space so he can drain energy from a star. Not so much to overflow with energy like Quasar did the first time he attempted to do that, but enough for what's coming later. For a point of reference, this is him doing so.

In this case Quasar was trying to prove he can harness a great amount of energy so he had no reason to harbor it within the Quantum Zone which Nightwing will instead do.

Diredrill didn't put it on the list of gear but I also have the 12 talismans for my team so I'll distribute those. Ollie gets the rabbit talismans, Creeper the horse and dog, Batman the Monkey, and the rest I will have Creeper stow away to an undisclosed location with his Golden Tiger Claws Shen Gong Wu. Once Nightwing gets done he comes back and they all huddle around Creeper with his Shard of Lightning Shen Gong Wu held out.

That about does it, now for the fun part.

Battle

As soon as the 5 minutes are up, they all activate the Shard of Lightning and go to work. If you didn't know, the Shard lets whoever use it move at the speed of light for a few seconds. That is no hyperbole either.

So with this massive speed advantage..here's what happens to your team while they're stuck as statues. Everyone except for Creeper has a way to locate your team be it Cassie's UV vision, Nightwings Quantum Bands, Amazo's tp or Batman's ring. Once they get to your team, Batman then disarms them of their cold guns from a distance(taking away the cold field generator) and the rest of my team disarms them of pretty much anything that isn't nailed down to their skins. That would include all the talismans, mandarin rings, and masks. Amazo then phases his hand through Cyborg, and Hawkeye's head insta killing them. While he does this, Green Arrow shoots Creeper with Pym Particles to shrink him to microscopic size. Creeper then uses the Golden Tiger Claws to open a portal to Daredevil's eardrum. He jumps through and starts laughing. Having the Dog and Horse talisman should allow him to survive in such an environment. By now the shard's effect should have worn off and your down 3 members while the two remaining have nothing but their standard gear(well..Danny has a Vibranium suit, but that's not gonna help him stop what's coming). Bruce and Nightwing surround them both in a combined lantern and Quantum bubble and floats them in the sky. Remember that star energy Dick absorbed? Well he uses that to Final Flash them into deep space. Because Quantum's constructs don't dissipate once they're formed, they'll stay in that bubble floating in the recesses of space until they die. Diredrill said BFR isn't allowed but people can still be "pushed" into space.

And just in case you're not too familiar with DBZ..here's some visual aid.

And yes he's gonna do all that dramatic charging up because he can take literally all the time in the world since Danny and Tim aren't going anywhere for a while. Skip to 4:08 if you wanna just see him do it.

Yup. That's how it happens.

#16 Edited by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks The Flashes in that video seemed really quick, and I only saw one person holding that Shen-Gong-Wu, so would Creeper be the one doing this since he's listed as the one who has it?

Plus I have 3 Cold Guns, that means 3 Cold Fields. If my entire team is standing next to each other - since they'd be staying as a group, wouldn't that slow Creeper down, a LOT? I mean, the Cold Gun is usually how Captain Cold Tag's Flash during combat, granted he's usually not going Light Speed during their fights but if you get 3 guns of absolute zero slowing down your molecules as you travel then it's going to slow you down.

Also, does the Shen-Gong-Wu give the user some sort of protective aura? Flash has the Speed Force Barrier to protect him from stuff while he runs but I don't really know if the SGW would grant that. Combine that with the fact that Iron Fist would have his rings create a Force Field before we deal with your team ( since we're worried about Amazo & Creeper ) and this Forcefield was able to hold an angry Hulk

So 3 Cold Fields + Hulk Holding Force Field = Something that I don't think Creeper would be able to just zip right through, especially since the SGW only works for a really short period of time.

( I'm only responding to this part for now because the rest of it all seems pretty moot if this whole "light speed blitz take away all my items" doesn't work )

I'll probably be back on later tonight to respond with a big full thing on how to counteract/what my team can do given various situations and whatnot.It's been a pretty interesting debate thus far and you sure do have a pretty powerful team!

EDIT: Okay so I just looked up the Shard of Lightning and if multiple people ARE touching it then they do get to move together as one light speed unit. Though my point still stands with the 3 Cold Fields & Hulk Level Force Field.

#17 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Edited by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

Alright, I suppose it's time to get my last posts in.

Cyborg + Battle Computer = Prep Master

What I mean by this is that within the 5 minutes of prep time Cyborg will have calculated all of Creeper's movements throughout the battle and will inform the rest of my team on what to do. The members with the Cold Guns will create thick walls of ice within the skull of Henry Pym. Then Iron Fist will focus on creating a Force Field using his Rings that will give my team a nice and safe bubble to reside in while you rush over to my side of the arena.

The Rat Talisman will then be used to animate the Pym Skeleton, adding another member to my team. Cyborg also has the Tactigon which allows him to create any weapon required for the situation, combine that with a Battle Computer and he becomes a war machine. Creeper doesn't stand a chance against him. No matter what Shen Gong Wu he uses Cyborg will be able to combat it due to him knowing all of Creeper's moves and having the means to create any weapon he needs. He may have the Dog & Horse Talisman's, but Cyborg can knock them out of Creeper's possession with a blast of his White Sound Cannon.

Iron Fist uses his Matter Rearranger Ring to turn Amazo into Silly Putty, Water, Lava, or anything else he can imagine. The point is that Amazo will be eliminated after his molecules get scrambled.

Batman & Nightwing are probably busy dealing with the incredibly large SkelePym I've got stomping around the field which will allow Iron Fist to use his Blacklight Ring, absorbing the Light Constructs that Batman has created. With complete darkness everyone is going to have a tough time seeing, except for Daredevil who has heat vision and will be able to seek out Batman and beat him to a pulp after being empowered by Captain Britain's Suit AND the Ox Talisman. I know Batman is strong but I don't think he'll stand a chance against the Man without Fear.

Tim also has his lovely Medusa Mask that'll enable him to turn Nightwing into a crying mess on the floor of the arena or he could cause him to be enraged and have him fight against Green Arrow and Cassandra Cain or he could have him fall madly in love with the Emerald Archer. No matter the outcome it'll cause some problems within your own team because you've got a member who just isn't helping in any way what so ever in the fight, he's actually working AGAINST the progress of your team.

Oliver Queen may have a weapon that allows him to create anything required for the situation but it'll be useless once he's blasted by 3 Cold Gun's at the same time. Hawkeye might not have as many feats as GA but he's still got incredible accuracy, speaking of which so does Cyborg who could lock on to GA with his weapons system and Tim would also create some problems.

This leaves Cassandra Cain. She's in Iron Man Armor right? We'll good thing that we've seen the Mandarin Rings work wonders against this thing. Daredevil uses his Pig Talisman to start shooting Optic Blasts at her. Hawkeye begins using his Pyrokinesis abilities granted to him via Dragon Talisman to heat the armor up. Iron Fist makes the armor incredibly heavy via his White Light Ring and with each step Cain takes she gets further and further into the ground while her suit gets hotter and hotter, cooking herself.

Also if one of these strategies doesn't work than a blast from the disintegration beam could cause some trouble for any one of your members that it hits & the Medusa Mask could cause any one ( besides Amazo ) to go into a blind rage causing your team to turn against each other due to emotional warfare.

You've got a pretty fantastic team and some great equipment, I just think that through what my team can do with their items is better than what your team is capable of. Though that's for the judges to decide :)

All in all, no matter what happens, it's been really fun! :D

#19 Edited by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetruebarryallen said:

@juiceboks The Flashes in that video seemed really quick, and I only saw one person holding that Shen-Gong-Wu, so would Creeper be the one doing this since he's listed as the one who has it?

The Shard of Lightning can affect whoever touches it that's why I said my whole team will huddle around Creeper

Plus I have 3 Cold Guns, that means 3 Cold Fields. If my entire team is standing next to each other - since they'd be staying as a group, wouldn't that slow Creeper down, a LOT? I mean, the Cold Gun is usually how Captain Cold Tag's Flash during combat, granted he's usually not going Light Speed during their fights but if you get 3 guns of absolute zero slowing down your molecules as you travel then it's going to slow you down.

Which is why I said Batman will disarm them from a distance with his contructs. Which come to think of it Nightwing can do the same as well. And wouldnt their collective cold fields freeze each other if they're standing in a group? They don't have cold suits to protect themselves from absolute zero temperatures like the real Captain Cold.

Also, does the Shen-Gong-Wu give the user some sort of protective aura? Flash has the Speed Force Barrier to protect him from stuff while he runs but I don't really know if the SGW would grant that. Combine that with the fact that Iron Fist would have his rings create a Force Field before we deal with your team ( since we're worried about Amazo & Creeper ) and this Forcefield was able to hold an angry Hulk

Refer to the above video. These are magic artifacts so the rules of physics don't necessarily apply. Nightwing can absorb the forcefield so that's not helping you.

So 3 Cold Fields + Hulk Holding Force Field = Something that I don't think Creeper would be able to just zip right through, especially since the SGW only works for a really short period of time.

( I'm only responding to this part for now because the rest of it all seems pretty moot if this whole "light speed blitz take away all my items" doesn't work )

It does work and the rest of my strategy stands.

I'll probably be back on later tonight to respond with a big full thing on how to counteract/what my team can do given various situations and whatnot.It's been a pretty interesting debate thus far and you sure do have a pretty powerful team!

EDIT: Okay so I just looked up the Shard of Lightning and if multiple people ARE touching it then they do get to move together as one light speed unit. Though my point still stands with the 3 Cold Fields & Hulk Level Force Field.

As one unit? They all get lightspeed movement during which they can do whatever they please. No where in the show does it say they have to be standing right next to each other throughout the time it's in use. In fact it's uses speak otherwise. Unless I'm misinterpreting your usage of the term "unit" of course. Regardless, your fields pose no threat to my team.

#20 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetruebarryallen said:

@juiceboks The Flashes in that video seemed really quick, and I only saw one person holding that Shen-Gong-Wu, so would Creeper be the one doing this since he's listed as the one who has it?

The Shard of Lightning can affect whoever touches it that's why I said my whole team will huddle around Creeper

Okay, I responded to this with an edit.

Plus I have 3 Cold Guns, that means 3 Cold Fields. If my entire team is standing next to each other - since they'd be staying as a group, wouldn't that slow Creeper down, a LOT? I mean, the Cold Gun is usually how Captain Cold Tag's Flash during combat, granted he's usually not going Light Speed during their fights but if you get 3 guns of absolute zero slowing down your molecules as you travel then it's going to slow you down.

Which is why I said Batman will disarm them from a distance with his contructs. Which come to think of it Nightwing can do the same as well. And wouldnt their collective cold fields freeze each other if they're standing in a group? They don't have cold suits to protect themselves from absolute zero temperatures.

They're all standing close enough together that they're within the Cold Fields together.

Also, does the Shen-Gong-Wu give the user some sort of protective aura? Flash has the Speed Force Barrier to protect him from stuff while he runs but I don't really know if the SGW would grant that. Combine that with the fact that Iron Fist would have his rings create a Force Field before we deal with your team ( since we're worried about Amazo & Creeper ) and this Forcefield was able to hold an angry Hulk

Refer to the above video. These are magic artifacts so physics don't necessarily apply. Nightwing can absorb the forcefield so that's not helping you.

You still can't phase through solid objects. I've watched the above video. The entire skull that I'm in is encased in a thick layer of ice. By the time that the Shard has allowed you to get to the skull you'll have a rather thick barrier to work through. Since you STILL can't phase through solid objects you're at a loss in getting to my team.

So 3 Cold Fields + Hulk Holding Force Field = Something that I don't think Creeper would be able to just zip right through, especially since the SGW only works for a really short period of time.

( I'm only responding to this part for now because the rest of it all seems pretty moot if this whole "light speed blitz take away all my items" doesn't work )

It does work and the rest of my strategy stands.

WHY does it still work?

I'll probably be back on later tonight to respond with a big full thing on how to counteract/what my team can do given various situations and whatnot.It's been a pretty interesting debate thus far and you sure do have a pretty powerful team!

EDIT: Okay so I just looked up the Shard of Lightning and if multiple people ARE touching it then they do get to move together as one light speed unit. Though my point still stands with the 3 Cold Fields & Hulk Level Force Field.

As one unit? They all get lightspeed movement during which they can do whatever they please. No where in the show does it say they have to be standing right next to each other throughout the time it's in use. In fact it's uses speak otherwise. Unless I'm misinterpreting your usage of the term "unit" of course. Regardless, your fields pose no threat to my team.

As I unit I mean your entire team. You misinterpate how I use the term. I understand that each of your members are moving at lightspeed.

#21 Posted by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks said:

@thetruebarryallen said:

@juiceboks The Flashes in that video seemed really quick, and I only saw one person holding that Shen-Gong-Wu, so would Creeper be the one doing this since he's listed as the one who has it?

The Shard of Lightning can affect whoever touches it that's why I said my whole team will huddle around Creeper

Okay, I responded to this with an edit.

Just wanted to reiterate the point.

Plus I have 3 Cold Guns, that means 3 Cold Fields. If my entire team is standing next to each other - since they'd be staying as a group, wouldn't that slow Creeper down, a LOT? I mean, the Cold Gun is usually how Captain Cold Tag's Flash during combat, granted he's usually not going Light Speed during their fights but if you get 3 guns of absolute zero slowing down your molecules as you travel then it's going to slow you down.

Which is why I said Batman will disarm them from a distance with his contructs. Which come to think of it Nightwing can do the same as well. And wouldnt their collective cold fields freeze each other if they're standing in a group? They don't have cold suits to protect themselves from absolute zero temperatures.

They're all standing close enough together that they're within the Cold Fields together.

So they're standing within the cold fields? That means they're frozen. They can't be in each other's fields unless you want to deep freeze your own team.

Also, does the Shen-Gong-Wu give the user some sort of protective aura? Flash has the Speed Force Barrier to protect him from stuff while he runs but I don't really know if the SGW would grant that. Combine that with the fact that Iron Fist would have his rings create a Force Field before we deal with your team ( since we're worried about Amazo & Creeper ) and this Forcefield was able to hold an angry Hulk

Refer to the above video. These are magic artifacts so physics don't necessarily apply. Nightwing can absorb the forcefield so that's not helping you.

You still can't phase through solid objects. I've watched the above video. The entire skull that I'm in is encased in a thick layer of ice. By the time that the Shard has allowed you to get to the skull you'll have a rather thick barrier to work through. Since you STILL can't phase through solid objects you're at a loss in getting to my team.

Well I have atleast one member that can. If you would recall that Amazo has Martian Manhunter's intangibility. Besides I dont need to phase through ice since no one on my team should have any trouble breaking through ice. I mean c'mon..it's ice. Ice.

So 3 Cold Fields + Hulk Holding Force Field = Something that I don't think Creeper would be able to just zip right through, especially since the SGW only works for a really short period of time.

( I'm only responding to this part for now because the rest of it all seems pretty moot if this whole "light speed blitz take away all my items" doesn't work )

It does work and the rest of my strategy stands.

WHY does it still work?

Because your team has no way of nullifying it and any defenses they have put up I can easily tear down.

I'll probably be back on later tonight to respond with a big full thing on how to counteract/what my team can do given various situations and whatnot.It's been a pretty interesting debate thus far and you sure do have a pretty powerful team!

I'll be waiting. You too man

EDIT: Okay so I just looked up the Shard of Lightning and if multiple people ARE touching it then they do get to move together as one light speed unit. Though my point still stands with the 3 Cold Fields & Hulk Level Force Field.

As one unit? They all get lightspeed movement during which they can do whatever they please. No where in the show does it say they have to be standing right next to each other throughout the time it's in use. In fact it's uses speak otherwise. Unless I'm misinterpreting your usage of the term "unit" of course. Regardless, your fields pose no threat to my team.

As I unit I mean your entire team. You misinterpate how I use the term. I understand that each of your members are moving at lightspeed.

#22 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay. My team won't be frozen in the others Cold Fields, they're not dumb enough to do such a thing.

The Ice was put up as a defense. The Shen Gong Wu doesn't seem to last very long, the video explains that it lasts as long as a lightning strike. You've got to use all of this time to FIND my team then FIND all the weapons that they've got on them along with the talismans, while getting through the Ice layer that was created during the 5 minute prep time. So you've got 3 Cold Guns pumping out ice that your crew has to break through.

You've only got one member able to phase through objects and Amazo wouldn't be able to withstand the Cold Fields of the members using Cold Guns, he'd be frozen in an instant.

I'm honestly thinking that your Light Speed would have run out by then. I don't know if your Shen Gong Wu has any sort of recharge time but I don't think you'd be allowed to have unlimited lightspeed movement for 5 Low Tier Points.

If it comes down to it Cyborg could just teleport everyone to different locations with his Boom Tubes until the Shard's effects were finished.

The duration seems to vary throughout the show and it's an incredibly hard item to measure in all honesty. Do you have more information on it such as an exact time of how long it lasts, does it require any recharge time?

@diredrill @juiceboks

#23 Edited by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetruebarryallen

Okay. My team won't be frozen in the others Cold Fields, they're not dumb enough to do such a thing.

I dont know that :P

The Ice was put up as a defense. The Shen Gong Wu doesn't seem to last very long, the video explains that it lasts as long as a lightning strike. You've got to use all of this time to FIND my team then FIND all the weapons that they've got on them along with the talismans, while getting through the Ice layer that was created during the 5 minute prep time. So you've got 3 Cold Guns pumping out ice that your crew has to break through.

Considering a flash of lightning isnt a measure of time, Master Fung most likely meant it as a way to describe how it doesn't last very long. At the end of that episode, the Shaolin crew used it to clean the dojo in three seconds. In that time my team should be able to do what I stated, also considering they all have super speed on top of that.

You've only got one member able to phase through objects and Amazo wouldn't be able to withstand the Cold Fields of the members using Cold Guns, he'd be frozen in an instant.

So they're gonna be standing right in front of the ice? So you're gonna make it even easier to spot them? If my team members blast the ice instead of letting Amazo phase head first through like a horrible teammate, then your team is gonna suffer collateral damage. The field isn't that wide so for Amazo to suffer the effects means they would have to be standing right in front of the ice wall.

I'm honestly thinking that your Light Speed would have run out by then. I don't know if your Shen Gong Wu has any sort of recharge time but I don't think you'd be allowed to have unlimited lightspeed movement for 5 Low Tier Points.

It lasts a couple seconds at most. It was used in rapid succesion by Jack so no it has no recharge time, though there is a down time where the user is stuck with their natural speed before it is reactivated. I can link the episode if you want.

If it comes down to it Cyborg could just teleport everyone to different locations with his Boom Tubes until the Shard's effects were finished.

Rules state BFR isn't an option. If it weren't Nightwing could just send your whole team to the Quantum Zone and be done with it.

The duration seems to vary throughout the show and it's an incredibly hard item to measure in all honesty. Do you have more information on it such as an exact time of how long it lasts, does it require any recharge time?

#24 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks

Ways to get around the Speed Blitz

  • Cold Field prevents Cyborg, Tim, and Hawkeye from being touched by your team, besides the light Constructs from Batman's Ring.
  • Iron Fist can use the Blacklight to blind your entire team, thus making this blitz useless because your team can't see, this would also prevent the light constructs from doing anything.
  • Iron Fist can use the Mento Intensifier to create various Illusions for your team, thus confusing them.
  • Daredevil would be invisible & Boom Tubed to some other spot in the arena.
  • Iron Fist can create forcefields to protect himself or the team during the duration of the shard.
  • Due to the fact that Cyborg knows exactly where Creeper is going to be due to the battle computer he can tell Iron Fist exactly where to shoot the disintegration beam.
  • Hawkeye & all of his equipment is within the Iron Spider Suit.

My team isn't moving at incredibly slow speeds and they've all got various degrees of increased speed, unlike the characters in the Xaoilin Showdown. Above I've displayed various ways to get around your Speedblitz.

#25 Edited by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks

Ways to get around the Speed Blitz

  • Cold Field prevents Cyborg, Tim, and Hawkeye from being touched by your team, besides the light Constructs from Batman's Ring.

Which is why they're being disarmed

  • Iron Fist can use the Blacklight to blind your entire team, thus making this blitz useless because your team can't see, this would also prevent the light constructs from doing anything.

Cassie in the suit isn't getting blinded with her many types of vision available. Neither is Creeper with his horse talisman to heal. Amazo can use tp to find you, same with Nightwing and Batman really. Over and above that, your whole team is getting disarmed of any visible equipment. Not to mention Nightwing can absorb the light from the ring.

  • Iron Fist can use the Mento Intensifier to create various Illusions for your team, thus confusing them.

Amazo has MM's tp to shield my team. The Quantum Bands have been shown to protect the user from psionic attacks as demonstrated by Quasar resisting Moondragon and Overmind.

  • Daredevil would be invisible & Boom Tubed to some other spot in the arena.

Already stated the many ways I can locate him even while using the Snake talisman.

  • Iron Fist can create forcefields to protect himself or the team during the duration of the shard.

Forcefields which Dick can absorb or the combined efforts of my whole team can bust through.

  • Due to the fact that Cyborg knows exactly where Creeper is going to be due to the battle computer he can tell Iron Fist exactly where to shoot the disintegration beam.

Can't hit what you can't see.

  • Hawkeye & all of his equipment is within the Iron Spider Suit.

See above answer.

My team isn't moving at incredibly slow speeds and they've all got various degrees of increased speed, unlike the characters in the Xaoilin Showdown.

None of their respective speeds come anywhere near lightspeed so that point is moot.

Above I've displayed various ways to get around your Speedblitz.

And I've countered all of them

#26 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry but Creeper and his Shard of Lightning are getting disintegrated as soon as this battle begins.

You said " You can't his what you can't see " and this is false. You can hit what you can't see if you can predict where the object you're trying to hit will be when you try to hit it. Since Cyborg has his Battle Computer he is 100% aware that you're going to try and blitz my team. He is 100% capable of telling Iron Fist exactly where and when he has to fire that Disintegration Beam and Creeper will run into it, making him and everything on his persons, go poof.

Thus, you're entire team returns to their normal speeds since the Shen Gong Wu are gone, and you're unable to disarm me.

What do you do if my team is still fully armed? Your entire strategy relies on disarming me, which I do not believe is possible given the situation. You may be fast, but my team knows where you'll be, and they'll be waiting.

Iron Fist & Daredevil are capable of sensing beings that can teleport and place their fists or weapons where they need to be to hit them upon arrival, combine this with a Human Computer that's got a device to predict your movements throughout this entire fight and the disarming task you've created becomes impossible.

I've been waiting this entire debate for you to elaborate on your strategy because so far it's been - " I rush you and I win "

#27 Edited by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetruebarryallen said:

I'm sorry but Creeper and his Shard of Lightning are getting disintegrated as soon as this battle begins.

I'm sorry but how on Earth is Danny gonna be able to react fast enough to hit him? Knowing where someone is going to be and actually being able to hit them are two different things. Also how is Cyborg even gonna let him know when and where he's gonna be at a specific time? "Hey Danny, Creeper is gonna be 10 meters in front of you in exactly .00876 seconds so be ready to hit him as soon as that time has passed." Yea, sure. Over and above that, Creeper is not just gonna stand there and tank a disintegration beam even if Danny somehow could fire it a lightspeed target.

You said " You can't his what you can't see " and this is false. You can hit what you can't see if you can predict where the object you're trying to hit will be when you try to hit it. Since Cyborg has his Battle Computer he is 100% aware that you're going to try and blitz my team. He is 100% capable of telling Iron Fist exactly where and when he has to fire that Disintegration Beam and Creeper will run into it, making him and everything on his persons, go poof.

If you can show me Danny EVER tagging a lightspeed speedster I would LOVE to see it.

Thus, you're entire team returns to their normal speeds since the Shen Gong Wu are gone, and you're unable to disarm me.

Aint that simple my friend.

What do you do if my team is still fully armed? Your entire strategy relies on disarming me, which I do not believe is possible given the situation. You may be fast, but my team knows where you'll be, and they'll be waiting.

Again predicting where someone is gonna be and actually doing something about it are two completely different things. Sure Cyborg will be able to predict I'm gonna speedblitz. Does that mean he or anyone else is suddenly gonna be able to hit a lightspeed target? No. It doesn't. You actually have to prove that they can.

Iron Fist & Daredevil are capable of sensing beings that can teleport and place their fists or weapons where they need to be to hit them upon arrival, combine this with a Human Computer that's got a device to predict your movements throughout this entire fight and the disarming task you've created becomes impossible.

The only porting that my team is doing is Creeper into Daredevil's head. Sooo they hold their weapons out while Nightwing and Creeper crack jokes about how awkward they look while Batman continues to disarm them at the speed of light. Prove that anyone on your team can hit a lightspeed speedster. Please do.

I've been waiting this entire debate for you to elaborate on your strategy because so far it's been - " I rush you and I win "

And your counter for that is "I can predict your strategy so I should be able to stop you". I can make another strategy once you actually counter this one.

#28 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

I have countered your strategy plenty of times, honestly, I have.

Cyborg is a human computer, he can create maps and run calculations in fractions of a second. Thus he can easily map out the entire battlefield and measure the distances between objects. This means that combined with his battle computer, allowing him to see how the entire fight is going to go down ( your movements ) that he can tell Danny EXACTLY where and when to attack.

Danny can augment his own speeds with his Chi. He's not moving at a snail's pace, and if he anticipates the attack, WHICH HE WILL BE DOING since Cyborg is telling him EXACTLY WHERE you're going to be at ANY given moment then Creeper is going to run right into his Iron Fist.

It's incredibly easy to tag a Speedster if you can trip them up and by knowing where a speedster is going to be at any given moment BEFORE they do you'll be able to trip them up.

With the Blacklight absorbing all the light in the area the entire area becomes dark. I don't know how any of your members, besides Cassandra would be able to see in those conditions.

You're also moving at Light Speed but are you thinking that fast? Is your mind moving so fast that it can process this drastic change in speeds? I'm thinking that it won't be able to, for ANY of your members. Nobody on your team has experience with moving that fast and only Creeper is getting the month of training with the Shen Gong Wu so nobody would be used to it. It'll be incredibly funny watching your team accidentally run out of the battle zone because they can't control their movement.

Do I have Scans of Danny tagging someone moving at Light Speed? Well no, he's Street Level and they don't normally move at Light Speed, but if someone like Cold can tag someone like Flash than it's totally possible that someone like Danny could tag someone like Creeper.

Batman can't disarm at a distance if the Blacklight prevents his constructs by absorbing all light.

You don't know what weapons I have before you encounter them, you don't know I have Cold Guns, you run to disarm me and get frozen.

I have countered your Blitz and you have only denied the fact that I can do that, which is false. Now do you have anything else up your sleeves or do you only know how to move at light speed for a few seconds into a field of absolute zero?

#29 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

"These are magic artifacts so the rules of physics don't necessarily apply" - Juiceboks

This is where you're wrong. The magic artifact grants you the ability to move at speeds that are still bound under the laws of physics. You're moving at the speed of light, an incredibly fast speed at 186,000 miles per second. Unfortunately for you you're not understanding what Absolute Zero does to something that moves at such speeds.

Scientists today have done studies about the effects of light speed movement and BEC ( Bose-Einstein Condensate ) which is a temperature incredibly close to absolute zero, though slightly warmer. A study done at Harvard showed that when Light moves through such a temperature it goes from moving at 186k MPS to the speed of a bicycle. This mean's it doesn't matter how much Super Speed your team has, the moment they hit that field they're slowed down to a speed that my team can easily hit.

My team hasn't stopped the moment you went Lightspeed, they just appeared to be moving incredibly slow, so once you try and disarm me ( even from a distance with your light constructs ) the construct or the object that enters the field will be slowed down to a speed which my team can easily avoid.

If it wasn't for the temperature of absolute zero then people like Captain Cold wouldn't be able to tag a foe such as The Flash.

In my time zone it is now July 1st, which is when Voting Begins and I won't be allowed to post any more. It's unfortunate that you didn't elaborate on a strategy more than blitzing because I didn't have much to respond to. So your blitz fails for reasons I had previously explained that you refused to accept.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXvRwbZgjE

#30 Edited by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

It's still June 30th where I am so lemme say this.

@thetruebarryallen said:

I have countered your strategy plenty of times, honestly, I have.

None of them would work though.

Cyborg is a human computer, he can create maps and run calculations in fractions of a second. Thus he can easily map out the entire battlefield and measure the distances between objects. This means that combined with his battle computer, allowing him to see how the entire fight is going to go down ( your movements ) that he can tell Danny EXACTLY where and when to attack.

Again..this is nice. You still haven't explained HOW exactly you're going to be able react to lightspeed movements. Cyborg doesn't have FTL reaction time and the Battle Computer WILL NOT change that. The battle plays out in his head multiple times, it doesn't automatically give him a counter for anything and everything I do. And besides, even he did the calculations, how is he gonna relay such information to anyone on your team? He can only tell them so much that they will actually be able to comprehend without a supercomputer for a brain.

Danny can augment his own speeds with his Chi. He's not moving at a snail's pace, and if he anticipates the attack, WHICH HE WILL BE DOING since Cyborg is telling him EXACTLY WHERE you're going to be at ANY given moment then Creeper is going to run right into his Iron Fist.

Danny is human..okay? There are certain things he as a human cannot see because they are too fast for his brain to register. If he can't see my team, he's not tagging them. And do you honestly think my team is gonna be so brainless that they can't dodge something moving in slow motion(if at all)?

It's incredibly easy to tag a Speedster if you can trip them up and by knowing where a speedster is going to be at any given moment BEFORE they do you'll be able to trip them up.

The way you're talking makes me think you believe that Deathstroke stabbing Flash actually made sense. News Flash my friend! In a realistic situation, that should never happen. Prep or not.

With the Blacklight absorbing all the light in the area the entire area becomes dark. I don't know how any of your members, besides Cassandra would be able to see in those conditions.

Batman can use his ring to illuminate Pym's skull. Nightwing can sense the energy emanating from Danny's rings and drain them all from a distance. Amazo can use his tp to tell where your team is. My team isn't as helpless as you make it seem.

You're also moving at Light Speed but are you thinking that fast? Is your mind moving so fast that it can process this drastic change in speeds? I'm thinking that it won't be able to, for ANY of your members. Nobody on your team has experience with moving that fast and only Creeper is getting the month of training with the Shen Gong Wu so nobody would be used to it. It'll be incredibly funny watching your team accidentally run out of the battle zone because they can't control their movement.

Aaaand now you're just reaching. These Shen Gong Wu aren't difficult to use. Especially not one that just enhances your speed. Since you don't seem to know much about Xiaolin Showdown, the guy in the video I posted a little while ago is named Jack. Jack is known to be a bumbling idiot and is constantly being outsmarted by the protagonists of the series yet he can easily use it with no practice. If someone like him has no trouble using it(along with everyone else that's used it in the show) I dont see why 5 battle trained individuals shouldn't be competent enough to use it. And just in case you don't believe me, Nightwing can travel lightspeed with the QB's, Amazo has MM super speed, Batman has super flight speed. So super speed isn't exactly a foreign concept to them.

Do I have Scans of Danny tagging someone moving at Light Speed? Well no, he's Street Level and they don't normally move at Light Speed, but if someone like Cold can tag someone like Flash than it's totally possible that someone like Danny could tag someone like Creeper.

That's not a fair comparison. At all. Flash doesn't usually go lightspeed when he fights his rogues. And besides the only reason Captain Cold can even stand a chance against Flash is because his cold field slows him down to a manageable speed. Something that wont happen here because I will be disarming Danny from a distance with hard light constructs.

Batman can't disarm at a distance if the Blacklight prevents his constructs by absorbing all light.

Absorbing light? What does that have to do with Batman creating constructs? Are you suggesting GL rings don't work in the dark? That's kinda their thing. You on the other hand have choosen to blind your team and expect Cyborg to effortlessly guide them through every microsecond of this battle.

You don't know what weapons I have before you encounter them, you don't know I have Cold Guns, you run to disarm me and get frozen.

My team isn't stupid. You really think someone as experienced as Batman or Nightwing or Cassie is gonna recklessly rush headfirst without attempting to analyze your team's equipment from a safe distance?

I have countered your Blitz and you have only denied the fact that I can do that, which is false. Now do you have anything else up your sleeves or do you only know how to move at light speed for a few seconds into a field of absolute zero?

You really want me to change my strategy that bad? Well here's an alternative. Instead of disarming your team, as soon as my team sees that they have trapped themselves in Hank's skull, Nightwing and Batman encase his skull in a green and yellow construct. They then fly it into space where they toss it in the sun so they can burn alive. The only one that would survive is Iron Fist due to the Rat talisman but he'll be in so much pain he'll wish he never had it. All the while Amazo is tp assaulting them so they can't think of trying to retaliate until they die. Better? You haven't shown you can overcome the speedblitz as much as you want to. Your sarcasm isn't the only thing that needs work.

#31 Edited by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

I overcame the Blitz in my last post. Your team has been slowed down to incredibly slow speeds. Science has done that for me.

My team has some TP resistance and experience with Iron Fist & Daredevil.

Hawkeye can use his own Pym Particle's arrow to make himself incredibly small and then get boom tubed inside of Amazo, only to kill him from the inside out.

Batman's willpower would be dominated by the Emotion Manipulating Medusa mask.

Cain's Iron Man Armor would be her downfall as the Mandarin Rings increase the gravity on it making it impossible for her to move while Hawkeye & Daredevil blast away at it.

Creeper couldn't avoid 3 Cold Guns being fired at him by Hawkeye, Tim Drake, and Cyborg. Once he's turned into an Ice Sculpture he get's disintegrated.

Green Arrow wouldn't be able to take Cyborg in direct combat, especially since he's got a Tactigon AND the Battle Computer. During this fight Daredevil can just sneak up on Ollie and wack him with his Billy Club.

This leaves Nightwing to try and hold his own against the rest of my team & the Quantum bands don't work against forces like the Darkforce *cough* Blacklight Ring *cough*. He won't be absorbing any of that energy, heck those bands just don't work against Magic. So I don't know what he plans on doing against the 10 Rings of the Mandarin, since they're clearly magical.

I've also stated that Tim with the Medusa Mask could cause your entire team to turn against each other, and if he gets anywhere near them then they'll end up in his cold field so the light speed movement point is moot. As I explained earlier you'd be reduced to moving at speeds of 20 - 30 Miles Per Hour.

So what is your emotionally dysfunctional team going to do at this point in time? Amazo would be out of the picture the moment that Hawkeye ports into his cranium and you've still got to deal with a giant skeletal Henry Pym fighting on my side due to the Rat Talisman.

#32 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

It's still June 30th where I am so lemme say this.

@thetruebarryallen said:

I have countered your strategy plenty of times, honestly, I have.

None of them would work though.

^ You didn't respond to the scientific proof explaining what absolute cold does to your Lightspeed. I'm pretty positive it works dude.

Cyborg is a human computer, he can create maps and run calculations in fractions of a second. Thus he can easily map out the entire battlefield and measure the distances between objects. This means that combined with his battle computer, allowing him to see how the entire fight is going to go down ( your movements ) that he can tell Danny EXACTLY where and when to attack.

Again..this is nice. You still haven't explained HOW exactly you're going to be able react to lightspeed movements. Cyborg doesn't have FTL reaction time and the Battle Computer WILL NOT change that. The battle plays out in his head multiple times, it doesn't automatically give him a counter for anything and everything I do. And besides, even he did the calculations, how is he gonna relay such information to anyone on your team? He can only tell them so much that they will actually be able to comprehend without a supercomputer for a brain.

^ You're not moving at light speed anymore. The Cold Field took care of this and I've explained it using real life studies with the speed of light and incredible cold temperatures.

Danny can augment his own speeds with his Chi. He's not moving at a snail's pace, and if he anticipates the attack, WHICH HE WILL BE DOING since Cyborg is telling him EXACTLY WHERE you're going to be at ANY given moment then Creeper is going to run right into his Iron Fist.

Danny is human..okay? There are certain things he as a human cannot see because they are too fast for his brain to register. If he can't see my team, he's not tagging them. And do you honestly think my team is gonna be so brainless that they can't dodge something moving in slow motion(if at all)?

^ He can clearly see your tea, you've been reduced to 20 or 30 MPH speeds.

It's incredibly easy to tag a Speedster if you can trip them up and by knowing where a speedster is going to be at any given moment BEFORE they do you'll be able to trip them up.

The way you're talking makes me think you believe that Deathstroke stabbing Flash actually made sense. News Flash my friend! In a realistic situation, that should never happen. Prep or not.

^ Recklessness is a dangerous foe. I'm not saying that what Deathstroke did would happen on a daily basis but you can still be hit at Lightspeed if you're not watching your surroundings. Wally ran headfirst into that sword because he wasn't focused or expecting it. Your team is too confident in their speed.

With the Blacklight absorbing all the light in the area the entire area becomes dark. I don't know how any of your members, besides Cassandra would be able to see in those conditions.

Batman can use his ring to illuminate Pym's skull. Nightwing can sense the energy emanating from Danny's rings and drain them all from a distance. Amazo can use his tp to tell where your team is. My team isn't as helpless as you make it seem.

You're also moving at Light Speed but are you thinking that fast? Is your mind moving so fast that it can process this drastic change in speeds? I'm thinking that it won't be able to, for ANY of your members. Nobody on your team has experience with moving that fast and only Creeper is getting the month of training with the Shen Gong Wu so nobody would be used to it. It'll be incredibly funny watching your team accidentally run out of the battle zone because they can't control their movement.

Aaaand now you're just reaching. These Shen Gong Wu aren't difficult to use. Especially not one that just enhances your speed. Since you don't seem to know much about Xiaolin Showdown, the guy in the video I posted a little while ago is named Jack. Jack is known to be a bumbling idiot and is constantly being outsmarted by the protagonists of the series yet he can easily use it with no practice. If someone like him has no trouble using it(along with everyone else that's used it in the show) I dont see why 5 battle trained individuals shouldn't be competent enough to use it. And just in case you don't believe me, Nightwing can travel lightspeed with the QB's, Amazo has MM super speed, Batman has super flight speed. So super speed isn't exactly a foreign concept to them.

Do I have Scans of Danny tagging someone moving at Light Speed? Well no, he's Street Level and they don't normally move at Light Speed, but if someone like Cold can tag someone like Flash than it's totally possible that someone like Danny could tag someone like Creeper.

That's not a fair comparison. At all. Flash doesn't usually go lightspeed when he fights his rogues. And besides the only reason Captain Cold can even stand a chance against Flash is because his cold field slows him down to a manageable speed. Something that wont happen here because I will be disarming Danny from a distance with hard light constructs.

^ Flash never goes Lightspeed in a fight, what I'm saying is that the Cold Field allows Cold to slow Flash down to manageable levels. If you'd do any research on Absolute Cold ( or just read my post below the one you responded to ) you'd see that. Hard Light Constructs can also be destroyed via the matter re-arranger that Danny has.

Batman can't disarm at a distance if the Blacklight prevents his constructs by absorbing all light.

Absorbing light? What does that have to do with Batman creating constructs? Are you suggesting GL rings don't work in the dark? That's kinda their thing. You on the other hand have choosen to blind your team and expect Cyborg to effortlessly guide them through every microsecond of this battle.

^ The Lantern rings create LIGHT constructs correct? They can be absorbed via the Blacklight that has a connection to the Darkforce Dimension. Also, Daredevil could easily work in the darkness since he's traditionally Blind.

You don't know what weapons I have before you encounter them, you don't know I have Cold Guns, you run to disarm me and get frozen.

My team isn't stupid. You really think someone as experienced as Batman or Nightwing or Cassie is gonna recklessly rush headfirst without attempting to analyze your team's equipment from a safe distance?

^ You thought my team would be dumb enough to step into their own Cold Fields. Just saying.

I have countered your Blitz and you have only denied the fact that I can do that, which is false. Now do you have anything else up your sleeves or do you only know how to move at light speed for a few seconds into a field of absolute zero?

You really want me to change my strategy that bad? Well here's an alternative. Instead of disarming your team, as soon as my team sees that they have trapped themselves in Hank's skull, Nightwing and Batman encase his skull in a green and yellow construct. They then fly it into space where they toss it in the sun so they can burn alive. The only one that would survive is Iron Fist due to the Rat talisman but he'll be in so much pain he'll wish he never had it. All the while Amazo is tp assaulting them so they can't think of trying to retaliate until they die. Better? You haven't shown you can overcome the speedblitz as much as you want to. Your sarcasm isn't the only thing that needs work.

My team isn't trapped in the Skull. You seem to forget that I've animated Hank and he's now fighting for me via the Rat Talisman. I've also got Boom-Tube technology that allows Cyborg to teleport himself or others to other locations.

Tim Drake has the Horse & Dog Talisman, he's immortal. He's also got the Nth Metal that gives him Flight. You seem to be mixing up your talismans. Rat gives life to the lifeless. Amazo won't be mind raping because Danny is more than capable of fighting the MM levels of telepathy with his own combined with the Mento-Intensifier that BOOSTS these abilities. Also if you fly me to the Sun you've left the arena also and would be KO-ed due to the Unstable Pym Particles.

#33 Posted by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

I overcame the Blitz in my last post. Your team has been slowed down to incredibly slow speeds. Science has done that for me.

If you say so

My team has some TP resistance and experience with Iron Fist & Daredevil.

None that someone with Martian Manhunter's tp couldnt easily overcome. Blackheart has tricked Daredevil and he's not even on Jonn's level. I'm not using my computer so I can't post scans of these feats but J'onn has affected the Spectre's mind and broke through Mageddon's telepathic defenses.

Here J'onn scans the world to find Black Adam and takes refuge in Raven's mind. I'd say that's pretty impressive considering Raven's track record dealing with people invading her mind along with her own tp feats. Credit goes to CitizenBane for the scans.

Hawkeye can use his own Pym Particle's arrow to make himself incredibly small and then get boom tubed inside of Amazo, only to kill him from the inside out.

If he did that then Amazo can crush him from the inside with his shape shifting abilities. Or just phase him into the earth. Amazo also has J'onn's speed so porting into a speeding target would be nigh impossible for a peak human like Clint. And lets say he does disable him from the inside, how is he busting out? This is an android that has taken hits from Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash and J'onn without breaking. Even with J'onns durability(which is actually as good if not more so than Superman's) should keep Hawkeye from breaking anything.

Batman's willpower would be dominated by the Emotion Manipulating Medusa mask.

The ring helps provide telepathic resistance for the wearer. I also have Amazo who can snap him back to reality if you somehow got through his defenses.

Cain's Iron Man Armor would be her downfall as the Mandarin Rings increase the gravity on it making it impossible for her to move while Hawkeye & Daredevil blast away at it.

Nightwing can shield her from any harm. Besides they still have the rest of my team to worry about so two people focusing on one person while being outnumbered isnt very smart.

Creeper couldn't avoid 3 Cold Guns being fired at him by Hawkeye, Tim Drake, and Cyborg. Once he's turned into an Ice Sculpture he get's disintegrated.

So is Clint going after Amazo or Creeper? With the symbiote giving Jack Spider man level speed, he should be able to outmanuever two peak humans and a cyborg. Again multiple people focusing on one person while outnumbered isn't very smart.

Green Arrow wouldn't be able to take Cyborg in direct combat, especially since he's got a Tactigon AND the Battle Computer. During this fight Daredevil can just sneak up on Ollie and wack him with his Billy Club.

Who says he has to take him in direct combat? Ollie has a Tactigon AND super speed.

This leaves Nightwing to try and hold his own against the rest of my team.

So he's just gonna twiddle his thumbs while all this is happening?

I've also stated that Tim with the Medusa Mask could cause your entire team to turn against each other, and if he gets anywhere near them then they'll end up in his cold field so the light speed movement point is moot. As I explained earlier you'd be reduced to moving at speeds of 20 - 30 Miles Per Hour.

And I've stated that it won't due to tp defenses and the fact that one of my teammates is flat out immune to mental attacks. Over and above that I can assault you with a vastly superior telepath.

So what is your emotionally dysfunctional team going to do at this point in time? Amazo would be out of the picture the moment that Hawkeye ports into his cranium and you've still got to deal with a giant skeletal Henry Pym fighting on my side due to the Rat Talisman.

#34 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

Debating is closed and voting is opened now!

#35 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

So this is open for voting, right?

First of all: @thetruebarryallen, lovely bio work. Entertaining, engaging, left a good taste in my mouth. Juiceboks -not so much. I only knew what items you had because Barry had already elaborated. Kinda made you seem second-rate.

Anyhow most of Juiceboks' strat seemed around speedblitzing.

And, uh, the Cold Field cancels out speedblitzing. Diredrill basically ruled this in my round vs dredeuced; the Cold Field slows down the Shard of Lightning and anything else moving at lightspeeds to regular levels. Of course, Dredeuced was like 'bitch I'm dredeuced' and used the Quantum Bands' negation of temperature to...well, negate the cold field, but sadly Juiceboks did not use this tactic.

So with the speedblitz negated, all of barry's points fall through and he wins.

Vote goes to thetruebarryallen.

#36 Edited by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium Damnit I completely forgot about that argument..by the way exactly how far does the cold field extend? From the scans I've seen of Captain Cold I've seen it only slows down things at most a few meters in front of him.

In my 17 years of living I've discovered that trying to live up to other people's expectations isn't worth the effort so that's why I forgot the glitter and streamers for my presentation. That and I'm incredibly lazy :P.

At any rate I did actually provide a backup strategy if you didn't see it already.

#37 Edited by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium

I'm glad you appreciated the Bio Work! It's good to hear that someone enjoyed it :)

I'm incredibly glad that the fact that those bands can negate temperature we're overlooked. If he had used that against me the blitz probably would have fallen through, thus crushing my team in an instant.

Also for future voters, I am not outnumbered as I have stated several times that I reanimate the skeletal remains on Henry Pym via the Rat Talisman. Due to the fact that the remains have no brain it would make him immune to any Telekinetic attacks on his mind, essentially creating a giant brawler for my team.

#38 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks:

Didn't see it sorry.

Unfortunately even after reading I have to stick with my vote. You were reduced to spamming Amazo whereas Barry already neatly countered your team. I understand that you didn't have access to your comp but one feat isn't cutting it. The fact that you needlessly failed the speedblitz also lost you points. Moreover you didn't respond to the giant Hank Pym immune to telepathy crushing you.

#39 Edited by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

For future voters my plan isnt just speed blitz(I mentioned the constructs are gonna dismantle the cold guns from a safe distance). I have explored other options such as telepathic assault and encasing his team in a hard light construct to send into space.

#40 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

@diredrill

Should the other judges be tagged in this so that they know the voting is closed?

#41 Edited by Juiceboks (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium said:

@juiceboks:

Didn't see it sorry.

Unfortunately even after reading I have to stick with my vote. You were reduced to spamming Amazo whereas Barry already neatly countered your team. I understand that you didn't have access to your comp but one feat isn't cutting it. The fact that you needlessly failed the speedblitz also lost you points. Moreover you didn't respond to the giant Hank Pym immune to telepathy crushing you.

Reduced? I don't think that using a MM level telepath to assault a team who has no counter for it a bad strategy. I gave three good feats even though I only had scans for one. And about the giant Hank Pym argument, I have a bad habit of glossing over obstacles in debates that aren't really obstacles for my team. I have a GL, Nightwing with star power charged Quantum Bands, and an android with J'onn's strength. One blast or shackle construct or punch and that's one nuisance out of the way. I understand I should have probably mentioned that but, it's not like an animated corpse is gonna take out my whole team.

#42 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

@thetruebarryallen: They are part of a super secret Judges only PM where they have been directed to vote in the threads that need votes. They know, it is just likely that they haven't had time to lay down votes.

#43 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually don't believe that 3 cold fields is better than 1.

One cold field creates a field of absolute zero. Add two more and the temperature wouldn't change. Absolute Zero is the lowest it can go.

All in all, I gotta give this to @juiceboks, but great arguments from both sides.

#45 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

Bummer, but hey, valid.

Also, the point of 3 Cold Fields was to increase it's radius, I knew it wouldn't make it even colder since they're all registered at Absolute 0, the only real argument that was made about them was that they'd be able to prevent the Lightspeed Blitz at the start, allowing the rest of the fight to unfold.

Currently tied 1 - 1.

Can't wait to see what the rest of the judges say :)

#46 Edited by Dredeuced (5534 posts) - - Show Bio

I will vote for TheTrueBarryAllen. Specifically because of this sequence of events: TBA defends his team with the cold fields, expecting the blitz, and sets up his anti-light field. Juiceboks activates the shard of lightning, spends some time reaching his opponents (relative 30 seconds to cross the entire Pym body) then, upon realizing there's a cold field, attempts to use his GL Ring to use the constructs to disarm his opponent.

The problem with this is A: It would take a lot of time to completely disarm them, especially with just 1 guy doing the work so as to avoid the cold fields and B: Disarming them of the cold guns, something you HAVE to disarm them of first, would not make the cold fields already around them drop and C: Using the hard light constructs inside the anti light field probably wouldn't work.

TBA pointed out that the travel time, breaking through his ice, and disarming would take a toll on the Shard's duration, and I agree. From there, the Medusa Mask pretty much hard counters the GL Ring -- especially someone as emotionally unstable as Bruce with little experience actually using the ring (the #1 way to beat the greatest Human GLs is to manipulate their emotions, I don't see Bruce fairing better and Kyle himself was defeated by Blindness, something TBA has employed), and from there I favor TBA's interactions with the team, as Juiceboks seemed a little necessitated on the disarming plan.

Advice to Juiceboks would be to address his opponent's points without assuming your initial strategy would work regardless. I didn't find the lightspeed disarming plan to be too sound and that left your debate as rather unconvincing on the whole. TBA did a good job of responding to points made and adapting.

#47 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe that @diredrill is the only one left who must vote on a side.

#48 Edited by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

Esquire is the last judge who hasn't voted. I only vote in case of a tie.

#49 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#50 Edited by TheTrueBarryAllen (5161 posts) - - Show Bio

Ahhh! Alright :) I was confused about that process and saw that you were online so I bumped the thread a bit, sorry about that, I've just been anxious to see what happens.

I must remind myself that patience is a virtue.