beyonder(pre-retcon) vs protege

Id say Beyonder given the extent of his power as it was

close too close i say draw

Protege was pwned by Scathan. That means one of two things. Either A) Protege wasn't as powerful as he though, or B) Scathan was more powerful then everyone else fighting Protege. But Beyonder could easily summon Scathan to put a celestial muzzle on the boy for a second time.

PR Beyonder, easily.

" Didnt this fight already happen in the comics? Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege "

For me Protege was able to be defeated because of TOAA come on Scathan being able to approve or not and thats it?  that easy he wood of done that to Thanos wend he had the GL... Scathan wood have to be in the top 3 in power in Marvel but he is not but still Protege is not as powerful as every one say if he was he wood of eras all tread to him he had to fight against LT ET and HG
    

" teh fact that Scathan beat him is pure PIS, what exacly was stoping Protege from copying Scathan's power? hmmm....divine intervention you say...yeaaaaaahh...right.  That whole story line was a perfect example of writers not thinking in the future and giving a character ture god-like power and in effect not thinking on how he could logically be defeated and just regurjitating pure PIS for the whole ending.  At the very minimum this fight is tie, there is absoulutly nothing stoping Protege from copying PR Beyonder's power to its fullest extent. "

" @Silver man said:

" teh fact that Scathan beat him is pure PIS, what exacly was stoping Protege from copying Scathan's power? hmmm....divine intervention you say...yeaaaaaahh...right.  That whole story line was a perfect example of writers not thinking in the future and giving a character ture god-like power and in effect not thinking on how he could logically be defeated and just regurjitating pure PIS for the whole ending.  At the very minimum this fight is tie, there is absoulutly nothing stoping Protege from copying PR Beyonder's power to its fullest extent. "

Exactly. Stalemate "

the protege character was weird. he apparently become the new OAA and then gets owned by a celestial? i dont know i think the whole idea was stupid and not needed

pre retcon beyonder stomps

Protege copied the 1st Post-Recton Beyonder's powers, but I doubt he could with the Pre-Recton one.

B

Beyonder curbstomps with ease.

Protege was undoubtably more powerful than the combined might of:

The LT - Eternity - Hawkgod - post-Beyonder - Mephisto & his daughter Malevolence plus the GOTG. Protege at this point had basically a supreme being (not TOAA though) status, Yet Scathan came through and stomped Protege with a gesture, right before Protege erased those there. (including LT)

Protege was no joke.

Classic Beyonder was at-least millions of times more more powerful than the LT & the rest of the infinite Marvelverse combined. Aside from the scale of his reality (Beyond Realm) in comparison with the infinite prime Multiverse (all of Marvel at the time) being like an ocean next to a droplet of water. (that's mind-boggling)

Jim Shooter's Marvel Age interview basically certifies these on panel exaggerations as an accurate portrayal of the character.

That said ... Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins.

pre recton beyonder should wipe the floor with pis protege's face here...

@Freefa11 said:

@Silver man said:

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Didnt this fight already happen in the comics? Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege



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No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Protege is the embodiment of a "no-limits" fallacy though. All indications are that he can duplicate anyone's powers with no upper limit, and he was even on the verge of replacing The One Above All. This would basically mean either loss for the Beyonder, or stalemate.

TRUE. but no stale mate. protege will duplicate powers of TOAA, MoM, Presence all togather and will stomp beyonder.

Protege should be able to copy his power and win here

Beyonder curb stomps Protege.

@mitsios: Beyonder with ease will stomp Protege, Protege was stopped by Scathan and LT nooo one of Abstracts or anybody had the courage to face Beyonder. Protege was beaten by a device called sands of infinity or something i don't remember its name, it was a device given by TOAA to LT to use it, why didn't LT use it against Beyonder? because it's useless, Beyonder is supreme.

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

@mitsios: Beyonder with ease will stomp Protege, Protege was stopped by Scathan and LT nooo one of Abstracts or anybody had the courage to face Beyonder. Protege was beaten by a device called sands of infinity or something i don't remember its name, it was a device given by TOAA to LT to use it, why didn't LT use it against Beyonder? because it's useless, Beyonder is supreme.

Beyonder is below celestials. Pre retcon Beyonder wasn't even real.

@ComocYahweh said:

Beyonder is below celestials. Pre retcon Beyonder wasn't even real.

Not too sure what you mean by that. Even post recton Beyonder should be more powerful than a celestial (not including Scanthan of course), and i have no clue what you mean PR Beyonder wasnt real.

@Killemall said:

@ComocYahweh said:

Beyonder is below celestials. Pre retcon Beyonder wasn't even real.

Not too sure what you mean by that. Even post recton Beyonder should be more powerful than a celestial (not including Scanthan of course), and i have no clue what you mean PR Beyonder wasnt real.

Post retcon beyonder is a half Cube being, who are less powerful than celestials, and I believe when they retconned, what ever happened before didn't actually happen, it was just in Beyonders mind or something.

@ComocYahweh said:

Post retcon beyonder is a half Cube being, who are less powerful than celestials

Post retcon Beyonder is an incomplete cosmic cube, evolved throughout time. The beings who were said to be less powerful than Celestials were Kosmos / Kubik, Kosmos for one lost her life when Molecule Man awaken his evil version and he later put her back, and given Molecule Man is the other half of what defines Beyonder i dont see how a statement made by a much weaker beings would apply to him. Then we have a fight with Beyonder and Molecule Man causing a trans-multiversal scale of destruction something Celestials arent capable of (unless we include Scanthan). Then we have Spiderman with a small portion of Beyonder's power re-create all realities in a nanosecond, against another thing Celestial are incapable of.

Talking about a generic cosmic cube, Thanos with it was able to replace the sentience of universe (Eternity) and become god ,something outside the scope of Celestial Powers. Reed Richard with cosmic cube resurrect a death Galactus to his full potential, Korvac with a cosmic cube re-made an alternate reality 100 times over, then we have cosmic cube making Doom's imagination into reality making him the master of the universe, Doom with Galactus powers got stomped by Reed with a cosmic cube, Reed has actually broken the 4th wall and have taken monster in comics (Well comics inside comics :p) and brought them back to life.

If after all this if you still stand by the statements made about Celestials > a cosmic cube, here is a similar statement about cosmic cube > Galactus, so make of it as you will, to me feats speak louder than words and cosmic cube as well as cube beings have dont things out of celestial power level.

and I believe when they retconned, what ever happened before didn't actually happen, it was just in Beyonders mind or something.

I certainly havent seen that on panel, and find it hard to believe since bios still keep the feats performed by PR Beyonder as canon. The secret war fight has been referred during second encounter of Molecule man vs Beyonder during Fantastic Four Annual 27.

@ComocYahweh said:

Beyonder is below celestials. Pre retcon Beyonder wasn't even real.

i don't know what you mean by Pre retcon Beyonder wasn't real? did you read the thread? it's Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Protege, not Post Retc Beyonder vs Protege. and the actual Post Retcon Beyonder is not below celestials!!! give me one proof of that!!! the limit of power of the recent Beyonder is unkown.

@SilverMan91 said:

Didnt this fight already happen in the comics? Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege

Agreed

@Cypher's Gambit said:

@Assman said:

" @Tevnoba said:

"PR Beyonder, easily. "

My line of thinking. What exactly has Protege done to warrent him being on PR Beyonders level, feat wise?? Has he shown the ability to wipe out death from 616 because he can?? Can he shut down beings like the combined might of LT, Eternity and every other abstract being and above??



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Unlike Post or Pre Beyonder, Protege's powers were stackable. He can copy a power and it's level and stack them over eachother as high as er... limitless! And stacking Omnipotents over Omnipotence is pretty strong. Protege out witted the Beyonder, but after LT showed up, the LT did something, but did it while Protege was watching so while Protege already stacked Beyonder's powers, he added the LT to it.











I personally don't think PR Beyonder can take on Protege unless having The Approval back him up.

agreed

@OmegaDynasty

said:

@Silver man said:

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Didnt this fight already happen in the comics? Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege



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agreed.

characters like galactus were like insect for pre retcon beyonder BUT characters like living tribunal were like insect for Protege. he was about to become TOAA

well Protege is my favourite character. and I believe that he failed only because stan lee didn't wanted anybody else to take his plase as a supreme character.