Ok so on the marvel wiki I get it in with a admin he kept debating titles and there "Official Rates" they done he got mad and banned me but I had clearly told him Secret wars can't be beat and he got pissed so who can argue that Secret wars beyonder his canon form can beat any form of LT I am not biased toward anything he said because of LT's personal ranking but I just wanna see how other's few it.
Beyonder Vs The Living Tribunal (Ultimate Debate Battle)
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@mysticmedivh: I disagree.
The Beyonder is basically the "The One Above All" of his own multiverse. "For the Beyonder it was like when Dutch inventor, Van Leeuwenhoek, looked through his microscope and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water." For those of you who don't know, this is what a single paramecium looks like in a microscope.
We are only beginning to get a sense as to how absolutely insignificant the Marvel Multiverse is as the Beyonder looks down upon it, the very Multiverse the Living Tribunal simultaneously exists in and governs.
Beyonder erases an entire galaxy. Thor says "Swept away... Like dust before some unseen, giant hand!"
As the Beyonder creates his own planet Dr. Doom says "The power necessary... It's incalculable... Inconceivable! Awe inspiring... Humbling... Feats dwarding the wildest imaginations of the Gods!"
Galactus begs the Beyonder to end his hunger, both Galactus and Doctor Doom are swatted like flies. Professor Xavier says "To the Beyonder, even Galactus is less than a fly, Captain!"
Here, Doctor Doom with Galactus's power, fails to defeat the Beyonder but manages to steal his powers with one of Galactus's devices. Most people assume that the Beyonder was defeated, but in-fact he was still alive, and in his existence he reclaims what is his through Klaw.
Everything, from the inanimate to the living, sub-atomic particles to lifeforms, all bow down before the might of the Beyonder.
In his rage, an entire galaxy is destroyed, but the Beyonder resurrects Dazzler.
The Beyonder casually explores the Multiverse and all of which that exists in all of reality.
The Beyonder can have anything he wants.
The Beyonder gives the Celestials three seconds before he ends all of creation, the Celestials attack the Beyonder but are nothing thanks to the Beyonder's omniscience, as he effortlessly defeats all of them in mere moments.
The Beyonder erases Death itself from the Multiverse, the Living Tribunal and his delegation politely beg the Beyonder to bring back Death to the Multiverse. The Beyonder tells "We're the real champions of life! We know what to do! And we're going to do it!" Clearly, the Living Tribunal does not have any authority or power over the Beyonder. Molecule Man arrives and the entire delegation beholds, as they move aside in awe at his presence, including the Living Tribunal. The Beyonder gets annoyed and simply brings back Death to the Multiverse.
The Beyonder is bigger than the Multiverse, and more powerful than all of the forces within it combined, the very Multiverse the Living Tribunal simultaneously exists in. "As long as I'm here, the "way" of the Multiverse is my way!" He clearly has more authority than the Living Tribunal. The Beyonder's very presence alters the Multiverse.
Not enough? The Beyonder is still vastly more powerful than the Living Tribunal and his Cosmic Assembly combined.
His anger causes multiversal destruction.
Just by standing there the entire universe is being destroyed.
He is millions of times more powerful than all the power in the multiverse combined.
The Beyonder is omnipotent.
Everything in all of existence feels the Multiversal tremors that is caused by the Beyonder and Molecule Man's fury. Molecule Man is defeated and a path of destruction that reaches to the ends of infinity erupts.
Living tribunal definitely. Beyonder was beaten by dr.doom
@mysticmedivh: I disagree.
No, I disagree. The Beyonder far above the Living Tribunal.
Pre-Recton Beyonder is above the Living Tribunal.
Correct.
@jmarshmallow: outside? Because @mysticmedivh clearly posted scans and I wanna thank mystic for his founding of the best scans.
@jmarshmallow: outside? Because @mysticmedivh clearly posted scans and I wanna thank mystic for his founding of the best scans.
No problem, glad I could help. I think what J means is that Recton-Beyonder (the modern/current) version is below the Living Tribunal (which is true). But the classic version of Beyonder, also known as Pre-Recton Beyonder or Secret Wars Beyonder is far above the Living Tribunal.
@beyondergod: @mysticmedivh: All good scans, but nothing that LT couldn't replicate. The only beings that are above LT are ones that are omnipotent.
And Beyonder is not omnipotent.
Jmarshmallow
@beyondergod: @mysticmedivh: All good scans, but nothing that LT couldn't replicate. The only beings that are above LT are ones that are omnipotent.
And Beyonder is not omnipotent.
Jmarshmallow
But LT doesn't have any feats that happen to be above what Beyonder has shown in his prime. And LT isn't omnipotent either.
Two nigh-omnipotents that have never fought each other should be considered a draw, especially since their feats are toe-to-toe.
@jmarshmallow: He is Omnipotent (Secret Wars) if you didn't see then look at the scans he stated he has Omnipotence and Omniscience has shown to be Omnipresence he is clearly above The living tribunal and people confirm TOAA is equal to Beyonder own infinite omnipotence.
@thetruthiii: Bro LT who ranked next to TOAA is knocked out on the moon he current status is still on the moon I mean Beyonder had LT beg along with other cosmic beings to bring back death if LT can absorb Protege off panel and don't do anything to beyonder from what seems like a non canon comic then Beyonder tops LT.
@jmarshmallow: He is Omnipotent (Secret Wars) if you didn't see then look at the scans he stated he has Omnipotence and Omniscience has shown to be Omnipresence he is clearly above The living tribunal and people confirm TOAA is equal to Beyonder own infinite omnipotence.
An omnipotent being isn't limited at all. Their power is limitless and they can do anything they want.
An omnipotent being wouldn't be able to have his powers taken by Dr. Doom.
And an omnipotent being would be able to bring Death back regardless of whether he killed her or not. It took a lot of his power just to kill her in the first place, while an omnipotent being would be able to do it effortlessly.
@beyondergod: @mysticmedivh: All good scans, but nothing that LT couldn't replicate. The only beings that are above LT are ones that are omnipotent.
And Beyonder is not omnipotent.
Jmarshmallow
But LT doesn't have any feats that happen to be above what Beyonder has shown in his prime. And LT isn't omnipotent either.
Two nigh-omnipotents that have never fought each other should be considered a draw, especially since their feats are toe-to-toe.
I can somewhat agree that a stalemate is the logical outcome based on feats. But Beyonder shouldn't win.
Jmarshmallow
@mysticmedivh: well... You shut me up pretty quickly lol.
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