Beyonder vs Mephisto

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This is an all-out battle between Post-retcon Beyonder against Mephisto, the Lord of Hell. 
 
Rules: 
 
- Battle is in Hell
- No BFR 
- Win by KO or death 
 
Let the battle begin! 
 
Beyonder
Beyonder
Mephisto
Mephisto
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#2  Edited By TrueIlluminatus

Would Mephisto even know how to fight the Beyonder, regardless of the fact that he's in his own realm?

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#3  Edited By spidey1fan

probably beyonder i would want mephisto to win but i really doubt he could win

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Well, post ret-con, Beyonder was a kind of cosmic cube, right? Or like a pre-cosmic cube? 
 
When everybody was working to take down the goddess and her slew of cosmic cubes, Mephisto's bargain was that he wanted a cosmic cube, which Thanos cheated him on. 
 
But, having the cosmic cube in hand he turned around and was going to off Thanos. He never made a move like that without the cube in that story. 
 
So, from that i would say the Cube has more power than Mephisto alone, and that Since post ret-con Beyonder is some sort of proto-cube, that he should win. 
 
In hell.... i don't know. Maybe just take this post as thought-food.
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#5  Edited By owie  Moderator

Even after the (first) Beyonder retcon (let's never speak of the dreaded "mutant Inhuman retcon"), when the Beyonder comes back to earth to battle Molecule Man at one point, their battle is spoken of as having effects that ripple through the universe and through time.  So he still has universe-affecting powers, though greatly weakened. 
 
I've never had the impression, on the other hand, that Mephisto, as powerful as he is, can wreak that kind of havok on the normal (non-hell) universe.  In Hell, on the other hand, he is able to do almost anything.  Still, the Beyonder might have an edge. 
 
If Mephisto had prep, I'd give it to him.  He could make another Beyondersbane weapon or something. 
 
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Well, post ret-con, Beyonder was a kind of cosmic cube, right? Or like a pre-cosmic cube?  When everybody was working to take down the goddess and her slew of cosmic cubes, Mephisto's bargain was that he wanted a cosmic cube, which Thanos cheated him on.  But, having the cosmic cube in hand he turned around and was going to off Thanos. He never made a move like that without the cube in that story.  So, from that i would say the Cube has more power than Mephisto alone, and that Since post ret-con Beyonder is some sort of proto-cube, that he should win.  In hell.... i don't know. Maybe just take this post as thought-food.
 What was that story in?  Sounds interesting.
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#6  Edited By isaac_clarke

 
Last I heard the Beyonder was now an inhuman, then another comic debating what he exactly was. 
Regardless, Galactus didn't seem to worried about him so I figure Mephisto takes it in his realm, even if hell isn't his realm. 
 
Would help if the Beyonder did something to gather what his current levels are at.

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Would help if the Beyonder did something to gather what his current levels are at.  

 
I'll help you: 
 
Pre-retcon: Abstracts<<<<<Beyonder<Living Tribunal<OAA 
Retcon 1: Beyonder<<<<<<Abstracts 
Retcon 2: Beyonder<<<Abstracts 
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#8  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator
@___Living_Tribunal_22__ said:

Would help if the Beyonder did something to gather what his current levels are at.  

 I'll help you:  Pre-retcon: Abstracts<<<<<Beyonder<Living Tribunal<OAA Retcon 1: Beyonder<<<<<<Abstracts Retcon 2: Beyonder<<<Abstracts 
Pre-retcon Beyonder > Living Tribunal.
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Pre-retcon Beyonder > Living Tribunal 


 
I made an examination after my Battle of Gods threat and found out that many times Beyonder's power felt infinite, but twice his power was proven to be finite. The first is that when he killed Death, he couldn't recreate it with his power alone, he needed help from Frank. The second is when he fought Phoenix, he gave Rachel godlike power, enough to destroy him. An omnipotent shouldn't have those problems.
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#10  Edited By nefarious

I can't find any comics with the Beyonder in it. I want to see all of his feats in order to determine a valid outcome in this here battle.

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#11  Edited By owie  Moderator
@___Living_Tribunal_22__ said:

Pre-retcon Beyonder > Living Tribunal 

 I made an examination after my Battle of Gods threat and found out that many times Beyonder's power felt infinite, but twice his power was proven to be finite. The first is that when he killed Death, he couldn't recreate it with his power alone, he needed help from Frank. The second is when he fought Phoenix, he gave Rachel godlike power, enough to destroy him. An omnipotent shouldn't have those problems.
He may or may not have been truly infinite, but he was still more powerful than the Living Tribunal.  He was stated many times as being more powerful than everyone in the normal multiverse put together.  We can argue about whether or not that includes TOAA, but it definitely includes the Tribunal.  The Tribunal was there when the Beyonder killed Death, and could do nothing to stop it.
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He may or may not have been truly infinite, but he was still more powerful than the Living Tribunal.  He was stated many times as being more powerful than everyone in the normal multiverse put together.  We can argue about whether or not that includes TOAA, but it definitely includes the Tribunal.  The Tribunal was there when the Beyonder killed Death, and could do nothing to stop it.  

 
LT was not begging, he was just watching. It was Eternity who was begging not to kill Death. Think about this: you see two guys fighting (i.e. Beyonder and Death) and you're just watching, but that doesn't mean you can do nothing to stop them.
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#13  Edited By owie  Moderator
@___Living_Tribunal_22__ said:

He may or may not have been truly infinite, but he was still more powerful than the Living Tribunal.  He was stated many times as being more powerful than everyone in the normal multiverse put together.  We can argue about whether or not that includes TOAA, but it definitely includes the Tribunal.  The Tribunal was there when the Beyonder killed Death, and could do nothing to stop it.  

 LT was not begging, he was just watching. It was Eternity who was begging not to kill Death. Think about this: you see two guys fighting (i.e. Beyonder and Death) and you're just watching, but that doesn't mean you can do nothing to stop them.
I didn't say "begging" anywhere in there.  But clearly he, just like all the rest, were there to ask him not to kill Death. 
 
To quote: 
Uatu says, "We ask of you an audience! Please hear us!  I Uatu, have gathered the mighty to speak with you!
Beyonder: "So talk!" 
Inbetweener: "I am the Inbetweener!  I have been asked to speak first for the delegation!........[Mephisto] is desperate...as are we!  Some of us are sworn enemies of Death and its lovers--yet all of usimplore you not to eliminate Death!" 
 
It can't be any clearer that Uatu and Inbetweener are speaking for everyone in the group, of which the Tribunal is one. 
 
Eternity does then step out to ask for the cup himself, but he is just speaking in turn with the others. 
 
There are numerous other quotes from the series that specifically say the Beyonder is more powerful than everything else in the multiverse combined.  For instance, Beyonder: "Even the mightiest beings among them [the beings of the multiverse] are like microbes to me."  Narrator describing the power he put in the vessel when he was trying to become human: "all the awesome power contained within, millions of times more than all the rest of the power in the multiverse combined." 
 
He's just obviously portrayed as more powerful than anyone else by a great degree.  Now after the retcon, that changes dramatically.  But during Secret Wars 1 and 2, Beyonder was the most powerful, and Molecule Man was after him (also above the Tribunal).  Typical quote: "The two mightiest beings in all existence clash" when they fight.
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@Owie
 
http://www.comicvine.com/infinity-crusade/49-5019/
 
This was the arc dealing with the Goddess that i referenced.
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#15  Edited By owie  Moderator
@Fortified_Hooligan said:
@Owie:   http://www.comicvine.com/infinity-crusade/49-5019/  This was the arc dealing with the Goddess that i referenced.
Thanks, I'll have to take a look at it, the 90s are a big (mostly intentional!) hole in my comic collecting career.
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#16  Edited By Thor's hammmer

I think most recent Post-retcon beyonder might be mayched or even surpassed by a hell lord in his own domain.
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#17  Edited By Tevnoba

3 version of the Beyonder:
 
Pre-Retcon - wins without effort! 

Post Recton 1 - Cosmic Cube Beyonder - this retcon invalidated the Secret Wars Arcs making them simply the Beyonder's Imagination.  Still wins without effort . . .reason: A Cosmic Containment is nearly omnipotent in and of itself - which is why Mephisto wanted one in the Infinity Crusade, and Mephisto himself describes their true power and limitations (limitations that are not present when a cube is sentient).

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Post-Retcon 2: Mutant Inhuman - This validated the Secret Wars Arcs, but still reduced the Beyonder's power somewhere bellow Eternity/Infinity but still stronger than post retcon 1.
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#18  Edited By kajitatsu
@Tevnoba: I thought the Cosmic Cube origin would make him stronger than being an Inhuman. What feats does Inhuman Beyonder have?
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#19  Edited By Tevnoba

When he was retconed to be a mutant inhuman they also re-validated Secret Wars!

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