Beyonder ( Pre-Recton ) Vs Beyonders

PR Beyonder waves his hand.

Pre retcon by feats even though they said he was just a child

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Only thing im thinking is that it took 3 to take down LT granted maybe they could've done it with less but pre retcon could do it by himself @sophia89:

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And the Beyonders die, lol. You say they brought down the LT together? PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse.

PRE RECTON

Well, uh... dammit! This is a tough one. At best, I'd say it's a stalemate.

I still see the Beyonder Pre-Retcon above the Beyonders by statements, Marvel somehow deleted that part of his history despite keeping the two secret-wars as Canon-Events. So by recent statements, the Beyonder that we've seem was just a weak and playful child for his race, despite having greater showings by himself. Also, we should also consider that probably the recent Living Tribunal is somehow buffed, he absorbed Protege so he probably is some leagues above his past self.

Marvel is the best universe in fiction.

The beyonders of course.

PR.

Why'd you feel the need to say that?

they have the strongest guys and I like that.

Beyonder erases them from multiverse while confy sitting on beyond realm

Pre-Retcon Beyonder by feats.

Just to clarify, when they said the Beyonder from the Secret Wars was a child unit, they're not referring to Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Not completely, at least. He was retconned, so technically most of his feats never happened. Secret Wars II did happen, the Beyonder did come, but all that massively multiversal mumbojumbo and Living Tribunal being less than a microbe to the Beyonder is gone.

In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the Marvel multiverse.

So Secret Wars Beyonder being a child unit shouldn't affect this battle at all.

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PR Beyonder ftw.

@mysticmedivh: thansk for the clarification, damn marvel with all these retcons!

PR Beyonder easily. He is above infinite dimensional space-time.

Love this thread. question if anyone knows? is the beyonder going to show up in new secret wars? and how did dr doom get so powerful?

PR Beyonder easily. No one was even close to PR Beyonder by feats and by on-panel dialogue. LT was literally powerless, didn't even try to battle him.

PRB represented the combined power of an entire multiverse, one that was so large it made ours look like a drop of water compared to Earth's oceans.

He was millions of times more powerful than all the power in our entire multiverse combined.

Ivory King Beyonders are dope, super powerful, but they are still beings who exists inside of Universes IIRC, even if they can travel between them. There are also beings who rival their power. Ever heard of the Infinities from Marvel? Eternity was an ant compared to them.

Edit: Thanks Mystic for clearing that up.

@avatar_of_green: Actually, he was an entire multiverse.

He was millions of times more powerful than all the power in our entire universe combined.

That was multiverse too.

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MM was. Atleast he did battle him, and wasn't instantly squashed like a bug.

@mysticmedivh: Just doesn't make sense with their being more than one TOAA.

@goldking: Not sure what you're referring to specifically, but there is only one TOAA. Some say that PR Beyonder was the TOAA before TOAA but that's not the case.

PR Beyonder, however, was the TOAA of his own multiverse completely separate to that of the mainstream Marvel multiverse.

Keep in mind that TOAA in Marvel is the writer. Even if the Beyonder was the TOAA of his own multiverse, it would still technically be TOAA writing him.

That's how I would imagine it.

This right here I don't agree with. I see it as, just like there are different galaxies within the universe, there are different universe's making up the multiverse. Outside of that, there are countless multiverse's making up the omniverse. Nothing is outside of, beyond, or bigger than the Omniverse. TOAA is creator and end-all and be-all of the Omniverse and everything within. He is #1.

That's what I meant.

I don't see even PR Beyonder being "TOAA of his own Multiverse." Perhaps he was the top guy in his Multiverse, but beyond his Multiverse is the Omniverse, and the one in charge there is TOAA. No one goes above him, and there is only one.

The writers stated that the Beyonder was "The One Who is All" of his very own multiverse, supported by countless statements that the Beyonder was from another multiverse and god of it during Secret Wars II.

Pre-Retcon Beyonder's feats were pretty insane. He caused multiversal-wide destruction just because he got pissed off, and I remember Doom almost accidentally destroyed all of reality after stealing his powers because he couldn't control them properly. Beyonder was also stated to be more powerful than the multiverse and everything combined in it, and he was destroying entire dimensions just by standing. IIRC he also tanked a blast that he said could've destroyed seven billion dimensions with ease.

Going with PR Beyonder.

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Beyonder wins.

Beyonder.

No he cant, he wasnt omnipotent.

Didn't the Beyonders created the Beyonder?

When Beyonder was in his Pre-retcon form he was unrivaled.

But seriously PR Beyonder if we go by feats.

Strongest guys=the best? I can make stick figure comic in paint where everyone is nigh omnipotent, regularly crosses over to Marvel universe and repeatedly kills and ressurects pre-retcon Beyonder over and over again. Won't be such an interesting read though.

I seriously doubt anybody will read that comic, Lol.

Beyonders curbstomp . Pre recton beyonder is now where close to omnipotent

suggsverse is one such story

Lol I looked it up and it's even more trashy than what I had in mind.

PR Beyonder because it's just fact, unless the rest of Marvel just got upgraded. That being said, all the Beyonders were destroyed because of Molecule Man, meaning that Molecule Man is the most powerful. Post Retcon: Magic stuff > Molecule Man > Beyonders > Starbrand > those weird Negative Zone characters like Anti-Man > Alpha > Franklin Richards > Destroyer Darkmass > Sentry.

Note: Psi-Lord is so low just because of the "Alpha level threat" storyline, which may be BS