Beta Ray Bill vs Bizzaro

Beta Ray Bill Wins, For All The Advantages He Has Over Bizzaro.

"Nobody is holding back.  Beta Ray Bill has his hammer.  Who wins and why."

Beta Ray has been Thor twice. Once with the hammer once without. He hit Galactus hard enough to dent his armour and beat thumped his herald at the time (Stardust). He definately isn't lacking in power compared to Bizarro. That coupled with the fact that Bizarro is an idiot means that Beta Ray would thump him to.

"Beta Ray has been Thor twice. Once with the hammer once without. He hit Galactus hard enough to dent his armour and beat thumped his herald at the time (Stardust). He definately isn't lacking in power compared to Bizarro. That coupled with the fact that Bizarro is an idiot means that Beta Ray would thump him to.
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I meant Thor had his hammer and then didn't. The first time they fought Beta Ray beat him and took the hammer and became the Beta Ray in the picture. Then Odin said well you can only have the hammer if you beat Thor again in a un armed fight and he did. Then he got given Stormbreaker as a result and Thor kept his own hammer. If he can beat Thor then I am pretty sure he can take Bizarro. How many people do you know that can do this?

I didn't say he was I am just saying that Beta Ray Bill was on Thor's level even before he got his hammer.

King Saturn said:

"I dont know if Thor is as physically as strong and fast as Bizarro without the Hammer...
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@ king Satun: You do realize Thors hammer doesn't even amp up his strength. When he broke the adamntium allow cables wrapped around him he needed no hammer. When he used his finger to guaged another uru hammer from a uru boulder he obviously didn't have his hammer. When he broke unbreakable chains while brain washed by loki he used his bare hands. Lastly when he pulled the midgard serpent by line it had bo hands on that line. The only thing the hammer does is amplify his blast. Thor doesn't need the hammer to be strong he is naturally strong.


You guys are serious about this?? Beta ray bill is stronger Then Thor. Bizzaro is stronger then superman. Thor is stronger then superman. If beta ray bill is stronger then Thor who is stronger then Superman he has the advantage in strength.

In speed where the hell are you guys getting this speed from?? When will bizzaro be smart enough to use his speed. His idea of all out if just keep hitting till you get tired not let me use my blitzing ability. If we say he will blitz then we might as well say beta ray bill has the ultimate nulifier. 

Plus with out his hammer you guys seem to be forgetting he beat Thor who has those many years of training. Beta ray bill does't need his hammer in this type of fight he would only use fist as it is unless he wants to kill him. With or with out his hammer it be no problem.

"I didn't say he was I am just saying that Beta Ray Bill was on Thor's level even before he got his hammer.
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King Saturn said:

"I dont know if Thor is as physically as strong and fast as Bizarro without the Hammer...
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@ king Satun: You do realize Thors hammer doesn't even amp up his strength. When he broke the adamntium allow cables wrapped around him he needed no hammer. When he used his finger to guaged another uru hammer from a uru boulder he obviously didn't have his hammer. When he broke unbreakable chains while brain washed by loki he used his bare hands. Lastly when he pulled the midgard serpent by line it had bo hands on that line. The only thing the hammer does is amplify his blast. Thor doesn't need the hammer to be strong he is naturally strong.


You guys are serious about this?? Beta ray bill is stronger Then Thor. Bizzaro is stronger then superman. Thor is stronger then superman. If beta ray bill is stronger then Thor who is stronger then Superman he has the advantage in strength.

In speed where the hell are you guys getting this speed from?? When will bizzaro be smart enough to use his speed. His idea of all out if just keep hitting till you get tired not let me use my blitzing ability. If we say he will blitz then we might as well say beta ray bill has the ultimate nulifier. 

Plus with out his hammer you guys seem to be forgetting he beat Thor who has those many years of training. Beta ray bill does't need his hammer in this type of fight he would only use fist as it is unless he wants to kill him. With or with out his hammer it be no problem.

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Beta Ray Bill.

"Ace High said:

"I didn't say he was I am just saying that Beta Ray Bill was on Thor's level even before he got his hammer.
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Ah Very Well

zee crusher said:

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King Saturn said:

"I dont know if Thor is as physically as strong and fast as Bizarro without the Hammer...
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@ king Satun: You do realize Thors hammer doesn't even amp up his strength. When he broke the adamntium allow cables wrapped around him he needed no hammer. When he used his finger to guaged another uru hammer from a uru boulder he obviously didn't have his hammer. When he broke unbreakable chains while brain washed by loki he used his bare hands. Lastly when he pulled the midgard serpent by line it had bo hands on that line. The only thing the hammer does is amplify his blast. Thor doesn't need the hammer to be strong he is naturally strong.


You guys are serious about this?? Beta ray bill is stronger Then Thor. Bizzaro is stronger then superman. Thor is stronger then superman. If beta ray bill is stronger then Thor who is stronger then Superman he has the advantage in strength.

In speed where the hell are you guys getting this speed from?? When will bizzaro be smart enough to use his speed. His idea of all out if just keep hitting till you get tired not let me use my blitzing ability. If we say he will blitz then we might as well say beta ray bill has the ultimate nulifier. 

Plus with out his hammer you guys seem to be forgetting he beat Thor who has those many years of training. Beta ray bill does't need his hammer in this type of fight he would only use fist as it is unless he wants to kill him. With or with out his hammer it be no problem.

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Bizarro has the raw ability of Superman in essence.  Like I said in an earlier post, if Bizarro can pull his head out of his azz fir the fight Beta Ray Bill is in trouble.  Otherwise Bizarro wont be able to utilize the abilities that he will need to win here.  But as far as who is stronger. Well... I will just leave that alone for now.

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"Beta Ray Bill."

Bizzaro wins in a straight forward sluggathon.

Really? Against someone that can crack Galactus' shell with sheer force alone? I mean in the JLA/Avengers story Thor and Superman were roughly evens and Beta Ray Bill is stronger than Thor. After he cracked Galactus' shell he beats Stardust then she unleashes a hell beast named Astaroth that was imprisoned by Galactus who Stardust states is near his level of power and then he beats him/she/it as well. I mean Bizzaro is "meant to be" as strong as Superman but everytime I seen him he catches a beat down.

"Really? Against someone that can crack Galactus' shell with sheer force alone? I mean in the JLA/Avengers story Thor and Superman were roughly evens and Beta Ray Bill is stronger than Thor. After he cracked Galactus' shell he beats Stardust then she unleashes a hell beast named Astaroth that was imprisoned by Galactus who Stardust states is near his level of power and then he beats him/she/it as well. I mean Bizzaro is "meant to be" as strong as Superman but everytime I seen him he catches a beat down.
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Oh, I gotta go with Horseface here. Frankly, Both characters I like immensely, but honestly, Bizzaro holding back and Bizzaro actually using intelligence in the fight is two different things. Frankly, I don't know much about Bizarro, though. Does he know how to fight, or does he just throw his fists around?

"Oh, I gotta go with Horseface here. Frankly, Both characters I like immensely, but honestly, Bizzaro holding back and Bizzaro actually using intelligence in the fight is two different things. Frankly, I don't know much about Bizarro, though. Does he know how to fight, or does he just throw his fists around?
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But, I mean, I'm not well versed enough in either combatant. Zee, has Beta Ray been taught how to fight? Like, does he understand the various martial arts of fighting with his hammer, or does he just zap people and swing it around? I need details, man.

"But, I mean, I'm not well versed enough in either combatant. Zee, has Beta Ray been taught how to fight? Like, does he understand the various martial arts of fighting with his hammer, or does he just zap people and swing it around? I need details, man.
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Hmm. Let's pretend that Bizzaro and Beta Ray Bill are at the same strength and speed, because if we try and get into a whole, "No, BRB's stronger because," nothing is going to be solved, because no one will ever be square on who between Thor and Supes is stronger, and I imagine that would go out to people who are made to be just like Thor and Supes. So, just for the sake of argument, let's pretend. Pretend, that in terms of strength, and speed, and reflexes, Bizarro and BRB are the same. Ok? What I think this will come down to is Beta Ray Bill simply for the reason that Beta would think, and maneuver, and...crap. I just realized I don't know where they are fighting. Is this an aerial battle?

"Hmm. Let's pretend that Bizzaro and Beta Ray Bill are at the same strength and speed, because if we try and get into a whole, "No, BRB's stronger because," nothing is going to be solved, because no one will ever be square on who between Thor and Supes is stronger, and I imagine that would go out to people who are made to be just like Thor and Supes. So, just for the sake of argument, let's pretend. Pretend, that in terms of strength, and speed, and reflexes, Bizarro and BRB are the same. Ok? What I think this will come down to is Beta Ray Bill simply for the reason that Beta would think, and maneuver, and...crap. I just realized I don't know where they are fighting. Is this an aerial battle?
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"See your right. Creator doesn't know comic book characters as well and probably can't give a good explantion here so don't believe him. Bizzaro loses here he's to dumb an not strong enough if he can't beat superman how does he expect to beat beta ray bill who is stronger then Thor. Thor is stronger then superman. Simple as that.
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"Hmm. Let's pretend that Bizzaro and Beta Ray Bill are at the same strength and speed, because if we try and get into a whole, "No, BRB's stronger because," nothing is going to be solved, because no one will ever be square on who between Thor and Supes is stronger, and I imagine that would go out to people who are made to be just like Thor and Supes. So, just for the sake of argument, let's pretend. Pretend, that in terms of strength, and speed, and reflexes, Bizarro and BRB are the same. Ok? What I think this will come down to is Beta Ray Bill simply for the reason that Beta would think, and maneuver, and...crap. I just realized I don't know where they are fighting. Is this an aerial battle?
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If Bizarro was smarter then I'd say this would be a closer fight, but if you read his fights with Thor and Stardust etc then he is a very tactically minded thinker when he fights. If he gets a good slap from Bizarro unless it puts him down straight away, which I doubt, BRB won't sit around trading blows with the guy.

"If Bizarro was smarter then I'd say this would be a closer fight, but if you read his fights with Thor and Stardust etc then he is a very tactically minded thinker when he fights. If he gets a good slap from Bizarro unless it puts him down straight away, which I doubt, BRB won't sit around trading blows with the guy.
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Well from the presented evidence Superman couldn't put Thor down with one punch so I doubt Bizarro would be able to put BRB down with one punch. Then BRB would be able to gauge the guys ability and formulate a plan. Thats what it boils down to really, is that Bizarro just isn't smart enough to win this.

wow this could be a good fight come to think of it

"Well from the presented evidence Superman couldn't put Thor down with one punch so I doubt Bizarro would be able to put BRB down with one punch. Then BRB would be able to gauge the guys ability and formulate a plan. Thats what it boils down to really, is that Bizarro just isn't smart enough to win this.
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Well now we are getting into hypotheticals. You could say he was holding back, but concurrently you could say that he realised how hench Thor was when he put him though a building at the end of issue 1 and realised that holding back isn't gonna cut it. Also at the end of the fight Superman seems pretty dang tired which wouldn't really happen unless he was exerting himself and seeing as the fate of his universe was at stake I doubt he would have held back knowing that everything he loves and holds dear to him would have vanished in a Krona shaped abyss.

Hypothetically, that is...

"If Bizarro was smarter then I'd say this would be a closer fight, but if you read his fights with Thor and Stardust etc then he is a very tactically minded thinker when he fights. If he gets a good slap from Bizarro unless it puts him down straight away, which I doubt, BRB won't sit around trading blows with the guy.
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"Well now we are getting into hypotheticals. You could say he was holding back, but concurrently you could say that he realised how hench Thor was when he put him though a building at the end of issue 1 and realised that holding back isn't gonna cut it. Also at the end of the fight Superman seems pretty dang tired which wouldn't really happen unless he was exerting himself and seeing as the fate of his universe was at stake I doubt he would have held back knowing that everything he loves and holds dear to him would have vanished in a Krona shaped abyss.
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App, thank you. You've been saying what I've been trying to say for a while. That Thor is just on a whole different level then Supes. A higher one.

only in your mind goth ;)

Well you could, but seeing as its the only canon cross over I'd like to think that it holds some weight when we are talking about these battles. The fights with Thor and Stardust are actually two pieces of presented evidence but whatever. How about the time BRB took on Ego and messed him up, and Ego is on Galactus level. But it really isn't even needed seeing as the cross over is canon so Superman and Thor are on similar levels as are BRB and Thor and Bizarro is too dumb to win against someone with the myriad of powers that BRB has. He doesn't even need to fight him in a fist fight, he can just teleport him to limbo or something.

You trying to say you weren't saying Thor is better? If so, No takesbacksies. It's set. In STONE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V31DOTIpTl0

"Well you could, but seeing as its the only canon cross over I'd like to think that it holds some weight when we are talking about these battles. The fights with Thor and Stardust are actually two pieces of presented evidence but whatever. How about the time BRB took on Ego and messed him up, and Ego is on Galactus level. But it really isn't even needed seeing as the cross over is canon so Superman and Thor are on similar levels as are BRB and Thor and Bizarro is too dumb to win against someone with the myriad of powers that BRB has. He doesn't even need to fight him in a fist fight, he can just teleport him to limbo or something.
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"You trying to say you weren't saying Thor is better? If so, No takesbacksies. It's set. In STONE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V31DOTIpTl0"

You mean AWESOME VIDEO!

Heh so by doing that your going against your own theories of focusing on a specific feat area and only taking the low end feats? In the JLA/Avengers comic Superman was having a tough time against Radioactive Man as well until The Vision saved his ass. Plus Bizarro isn't smart enough to use his speed, thats kinda the whole point.

"Heh so by doing that your going against your own theories of focusing on a specific feat area and only taking the low end feats? In the JLA/Avengers comic Superman was having a tough time against Radioactive Man as well until The Vision saved his ass. Plus Bizarro isn't smart enough to use his speed, thats kinda the whole point.
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"You mean AWESOME VIDEO!"

Bizarro

I can't honestly remember one time Bizarro has beaten someone using his speed. Whenever I seen him beat someone he hits them still they stay down, Wonder Woman, the Human Bomb etc etc. Anyways your talking in hypotheticals. If the crossover is canon then the feats are canon. Doesn't matter if they are "evening them out" (which I completely disagree with), the fact of the matter remains that in a canon event they were shown to be of similar power. If I was using Marvel vs DC as an example then fair dues it would be useless. But I am not.

ok then when have you seen a marvel character effortlessly throw something as heavy as an aircraft carrier?  that weighs 100,000 tons and black adam just casually threw one for miles.  when they moved a planet, it only took three of them to do it, superman, ww and martian manhunter.  you dont see marvel characters doing that.  i love marvel but the strength levels are different.  and knowing that they are different how is it that thor, who can be battered around by ben grimm when he could lift only 80 tons and ulik who can lift 90 (i'm staying away from the low end wrecking crew just for you ace!), can now take shots from people who can effortlessly toss 100,000 ton aircraft carriers?

you tell him app

Well Gladiator lifted the Baxter Building thats 365,000 tons. Thor lifted the Midgard Serpent which is big enough to circle the Earth (The Creator did the maths I can't remember the numbers exactly but it was huuuge). I  ain't gonna sit and list every strength feat of a Marvel characters but I found a good website that lists pretty much all the Thor feats up to a point and his feats of strength include:

 A) In Thor-#94- with just a slight pressure from Thor’s little finger he toppled leaning Tower of Pisa;
 B) in Thor-#95, Thor easily ripped apart the door of a special constructed safe that could resist a Ton (2,000 lbs.) of TNT;
C) Thor sculpted a hammer from an Alien Tank by compressing together Tons of the Armor plating-Thor-#281, and tossed a Giant Alien Tank a significant distance as if were just a simple toy-Avengers-#219;
D) Thor towed away a broken Jetliner full of passengers by flying it out of the Celestial stronghold in South America-Thor-#284.
E) Thor, with his enormous strength, broke through wrap-around cables made of an alloy of Adamantiun-Thor-#309.
F) Thor lifted and balanced a 40 plus story Building along with Cranes on top of the Building-Thor-#391;
G) Thor towed the Entire Avengers Hydrobase-Avengers-#301,
H) Thor with his strength closed a fissure that he created in the Planets crust, and then he proceeded by sealing Loki in it under millions Tons of Earth with the might of his limb-Avengers West Coast-#55;
) Thor sent an Alien with such physical force that he went literally flying through Earth’s Orbit and straight outside our Solar System-JIM-#90;
J) Thor lifted the Midgard Serpent which girds the entire Earth and holds the Ocean in place-Thor-#272.

I mean you can see there some examples such as lifted a 40 story building, the Midgard Serpent I have already mentioned, using his little finger to knock over the leaning Tower of Pisa. So generally i'd agree with you that DC heroes are more powerful strength wise than Marvel ones but in some instanceses (Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Hercules etc etc) they are closer than people think. Plus this is just Thor's pure strength, this isn't even including Mjolnir that can smash mountain ranges in half.

(http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/archive/index.php/t-36947.html this is the website if you wanna check out the rest of the feats you gotta scroll down for a lil bit).

My point was that top tier Marvel heroes (such as Thor, Beta Ray Bill etc) are well above the 100 ton range. I mean your saying stuff like 120,000 tons isn't much more than the Baxter Building but the fact is its in the 100,000 ton range that DC fans like to throw around. But as I keep saying for as long as the JLA/Avengers story is canon and that depiction of their powers being similar is canon then BRB will beat Bizarro because they are roughly on the same level of power and BRB is helluva lot smarter with a vast amount more abilities that he can call on.

"My point was that top tier Marvel heroes (such as Thor, Beta Ray Bill etc) are well above the 100 ton range. I mean your saying stuff like 120,000 tons isn't much more than the Baxter Building but the fact is its in the 100,000 ton range that DC fans like to throw around. But as I keep saying for as long as the JLA/Avengers story is canon and that depiction of their powers being similar is canon then BRB will beat Bizarro because they are roughly on the same level of power and BRB is helluva lot smarter with a vast amount more abilities that he can call on.
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