Ben Grimm and Human Torch vs Wolverine and Storm - Battles

#1 Posted by Ryu_Fang (100 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Team one is bloodlusted because they think the X-Men killed Reed and Sue.
Fight is on the X-Mansion grounds,emptied.

#2 Posted by DeathsHead2 (1625 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Pissed off Thing and Torch here?

Oh man, Ben Grimm gives Wolverine the ass-whooping he deserved in their previous fights!

Also, Johnny BBQ's Storm with a supernova!

Fantastic "Two" for the win, 9/10!

#3 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (4656 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Whatever. Wolverine already beat thing and easily at that. others posted scans in their battle forum.
storm can battle remove johnny of just dose him in water.

X-men win.

#4 Posted by Dracade102 (8175 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@DeathsHead2 said:

" Pissed off Thing and Torch here? Oh man, Ben Grimm gives Wolverine the ass-whooping he deserved in their previous fights! Also, Johnny BBQ's Storm with a supernova! Fantastic "Two" for the win, 9/10! "

This ^

#5 Posted by Manchine (2548 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@DeathsHead2 said:

" Pissed off Thing and Torch here? Oh man, Ben Grimm gives Wolverine the ass-whooping he deserved in their previous fights! Also, Johnny BBQ's Storm with a supernova! Fantastic "Two" for the win, 9/10! "

#6 Posted by MarvelJackAss433 (12238 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Edgeworth_11 said:

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Whatever. Wolverine already beat thing and easily at that. others posted scans in their battle forum.
storm can battle remove johnny of just dose him in water.

X-men win.
"

Others would argue with you.
It's....
FT:3
XM:1

#7 Posted by PirateKing69 (4290 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Wolverine can beat The Thing....it comes down if Storm can beat HT idk a lot about him

#8 Posted by FLCL1 (9581 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Edgeworth_11 said:

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Whatever. Wolverine already beat thing and easily at that. others posted scans in their battle forum.
storm can battle remove johnny of just dose him in water.

X-men win.
"

no

#9 Posted by DeathsHead2 (1625 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Thing has one shotted Wolverine before too. Depends on the writter. IF this was in a comic, and Storm and Wolverine DID kill Reed and Sue, they're gonna DIE, at the hands of Johnny and Ben!

#10 Posted by BlackDove (375 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

If Storm was bloodlusted, then this battle would be over as quickly as it began.

Storm removes the oxygen from Johnny before he can nova, thus dispersing his flames.

Then, Storm and Wolverine can double Ben. But I'm sure Wolverine can solo.

Just my opinion, but of course not all of you will agree.

#11 Posted by Aqua11500 (2647 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@FLCL1 said:

" @Edgeworth_11 said:

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Whatever. Wolverine already beat thing and easily at that. others posted scans in their battle forum.
storm can battle remove johnny of just dose him in water.

X-men win.
"
no "

YUP

Wolverine + healing factor.

Furry little aggressive beast with superb brawling skills and admantium claws.If all are blood lusted then Wolverine would most likely slice Ben up.i don't care if he's made of steel. Ben could win some matches,but majority goes to Wolverine.

Storm has snuffed out Johnny before with winds alone,she could always flash flood or flash freeze etc.Also her powers react faster than HT's supernova burst.

X-men win.

#12 Posted by DeathsHead2 (1625 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Aqua11500:

X-Men aren't blood lusted, Johnny and Ben are. Have you ever seen what happens when either of them are pissed? Now imagine BOTH!

How about Johnny catches Ben on fire? Then you have a Fire-Thing beating and burning Wolverine down! His healing factor is gonna get taxed, and that's if he can even see where he's "slashing". Johnny's fire doesn't hurt Thing BTW.

As for Storm? F Storm! Either of the Fantastic Two get a gun and shoot her. She's WAY over rated. One shot, probably from Ben because of his military training, and she's a goner. Sorry Storm fans...

#13 Posted by god_spawn (30404 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@DeathsHead2 said:

"Thing has one shotted Wolverine before too. Depends on the writter. IF this was in a comic, and Storm and Wolverine DID kill Reed and Sue, they're gonna DIE, at the hands of Johnny and Ben! "

Thing one shotting Logan like that is PIS along with the deer. BONK just doesnt cut it.

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#14 Posted by Fetts (3162 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Lol. Let me just point out Wolverine IS bloodlust.
@DeathsHead2 said:

" Thing has one shotted Wolverine before too. Depends on the writter. IF this was in a comic, and Storm and Wolverine DID kill Reed and Sue, they're gonna DIE, at the hands of Johnny and Ben! "

I agree 100%. But I think if they weren't blood lusted then Wolverine and Storm would win.

#15 Posted by jayskee (1741 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

human torch solos

#16 Posted by PirateKing69 (4290 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@god_spawn: whats your opinion on this fight...i'm lacking knowledge on Human Torch so i don't who would win...i still say wolvey beats the thing bloodlusted or not imo its not like The Thing gets a speed boost or anything from being mad

#17 Posted by Larkin1388 (1760 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

X-Team FTW.... Thing is no match for wolverines adamantium claws and skeleton or his healing factor... Storm Drowns HT in Water...

#18 Posted by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Blunt trauma folks WITHOUT healing factors just don't do well against Logan. Unbreakable skeleton coupled with healing factor on steroids kinda puts the damper on the above mentioned BONK situation. I've said it once, I'll say it again, it is questionable, at best, how many times the Thing will have to 'Clobber' the Wolverine. And this is based on a plethora of feats (not the least of which his most recent battle with WW Hulk) whereas Logan, the much MUCH better hand to hand fighter, only has to tag the orange pile of ugly rocks but ONCE. And the Thing is a thing of the past. Dead. Gone. Period.
Wolverine takes Thing 9/10 times.
Then it's fire, nova... whatever... vs. ALL of the elements. Lightning trumps fire... fast as hell. Depends who gets the first shot in really... this fight is slightly more evenly matched though than the other.

Regardless, I give it to Storm and Wolvie 8/10

#19 Posted by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@DeathsHead2:
Gotta say bud... Wolverine is 10 times faster than the Thing (some say his reflexes are almost on a par with Spiderman), a far better fighter (skill trumps strength in hand to hand combat)... even IF the Thing could knock Wolvie out with one hit (the majority of Wolvies feats sound a resounding NO to this happening), do you really think the Thing could take him first in a face to face (no sucker punching)?

Don't see it happening.

#20 Posted by MarvelJackAss433 (12238 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Ramtha07: ........

#21 Posted by Erik (27224 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Torch goes nova and nukes the other three.

#22 Edited by god_spawn (30404 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@PirateKing69:
My take on the fight is the X-men have a chance. A pissed off thing is nothing to laugh at but he put the hurting on Daken and Daken recovered a few panels later.

Now Daken doesnt have the adamantium like his father does and Daken remained concious even though he was faceplanted into a solid floor. Wolverine with presence of adamantium and his HF put his durability on a higher level. So he isnt gonna be one shotted unless thing has a clear shot and possibly BFRing Wolverine but the only i see that is if torch traps wolverine in a flame circle and i highly doubt it would trap Logan for long. and without torches intervention I dont see the thing doing that or getting the opportunity nonetheless.

Now if torch does decide to go after Logan, he could probably take him out by taxing his HF with super nova flames. But that is the problem, Thing has hardly a way to attack storm, minus thunderclapping, but storm can fly and dodge it and whip up a wind strong enough to BFR the thing since she does not want to kill them.if she sees a bloodlusted Thing coming for her, that is her best bet. And if Storm sees Torch going after logan she would stop the oxygen in his flames or prevent anyway for him to flame up.

So if Torch goes after Storm, storm most likely would just deprive him of oxygen to flame up and he would then be virtually useless as he cant activate his super power as Storm hates killing and it takes a few moments for torch to reach nova it is not instantaneous and he must build up so Storm has to act fast. he just doesnt go flame on and he is nova hot. so she would try the most nonviolent way out of the fight. And again that leaves Thing with Logan and wolverine would most likely win.

So Storm goes the least violent route and would probably take out Torch or BFR the Thing and then takes out the Torch with oxygen deprivation in the flames. But if she doesnt act immediately HT will eventually go nova and that will result in a win for the Fantastic Duo as he could solo this but im just putting out a case could be made for both teams.

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#23 Posted by FLCL1 (9581 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Ramtha07 said:

"@DeathsHead2: Gotta say bud... Wolverine is 10 times faster than the Thing (some say his reflexes are almost on a par with Spiderman), a far better fighter (skill trumps strength in hand to hand combat)... even IF the Thing could knock Wolvie out with one hit (the majority of Wolvies feats sound a resounding NO to this happening), do you really think the Thing could take him first in a face to face (no sucker punching)? Don't see it happening. "

#24 Posted by FLCL1 (9581 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Aqua11500 said:

" @FLCL1 said:

" @Edgeworth_11 said:

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Whatever. Wolverine already beat thing and easily at that. others posted scans in their battle forum.
storm can battle remove johnny of just dose him in water.

X-men win.
"
no "
YUP Wolverine + healing factor. Furry little aggressive beast with superb brawling skills and admantium claws.If all are blood lusted then Wolverine would most likely slice Ben up.i don't care if he's made of steel. Ben could win some matches,but majority goes to Wolverine. Storm has snuffed out Johnny before with winds alone,she could always flash flood or flash freeze etc.Also her powers react faster than HT's supernova burst. X-men win. "

did you even read the OP?

#25 Posted by Aqua11500 (2647 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@DeathsHead2 said:

" @Aqua11500: X-Men aren't blood lusted, Johnny and Ben are. Have you ever seen what happens when either of them are pissed? Now imagine BOTH! How about Johnny catches Ben on fire? Then you have a Fire-Thing beating and burning Wolverine down! His healing factor is gonna get taxed, and that's if he can even see where he's "slashing". Johnny's fire doesn't hurt Thing BTW. As for Storm? F Storm! Either of the Fantastic Two get a gun and shoot her. She's WAY over rated. One shot, probably from Ben because of his military training, and she's a goner. Sorry Storm fans... "

You guys are haters.. remember when you say such negative and immature things it's only going to bait her fans to attack you are start arguing.flame wars people.Then when the Storm fans arrive everyone is going to gang up on them and take your sides just because Storm isn't liked here.I don't know what happened in the past with her fanboys and what not,but move on and let the damn grudge go. Rbyjsti go baned anyways,and he was the Storm fanboy ring leader.

Storm could solo.yea i said it ;)

#26 Posted by Erik (27224 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Torch will solo.

#27 Posted by Silver2467 (16361 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@erik said:

" Torch will solo. "

#28 Edited by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@FLCL1:

Right back at ya (hey, we were two posts to two after all!) only you used yours to act smart without actually adding anything to the debate.

#29 Posted by TheCrusader (101 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Wolverine and Storm win here. You may not like one or both of them but wolverine can beat grimm and johnnys need for oxygen,susceptibility to strong gales extinguishing his flame, susceptibility to water extinguishing his flame give the x-men the win.

#30 Posted by Erik (27224 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@TheCrusader said:

" Wolverine and Storm win here. You may not like one or both of them but wolverine can beat grimm and johnnys need for oxygen,susceptibility to strong gales extinguishing his flame, susceptibility to water extinguishing his flame give the x-men the win. "

Read Fantastic Four issues. Please.

#31 Posted by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@erik:
But, but... they're so... so... boring... I don't wanna... whaaaa!!!
....... OK, maybe just ONE....

#32 Posted by TheCrusader (101 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@erik said:

" @TheCrusader said:

" Wolverine and Storm win here. You may not like one or both of them but wolverine can beat grimm and johnnys need for oxygen,susceptibility to strong gales extinguishing his flame, susceptibility to water extinguishing his flame give the x-men the win. "
Read Fantastic Four issues. Please. "

Perhaps you should follow your own advice or avoid having a selective memory.. Human torch has been extinguished by water, concussion, strong winds. A 300 mph sleet barrage and it's bye-bye flame. Evactuate all the oxygen from his area and it's bye-bye flame.

#33 Posted by HellionVulcan (2467 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

X-men would win no matter who they fight the thing is no match for wolverine or storm who can BFR or hit him with powerful lighting & human torch can be extinguished by storm in many ways or shut down by lighting as it took a brick to ko Human torch once . .

#34 Posted by Nefarious (16243 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Team 1 wins.

#35 Posted by sa5m (2112 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@erik said:

" Torch will solo. "

most times I see in threads torch looses to storm, i know he's bloodlusted but how do you think he solos??

#36 Posted by Erik (27224 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@sa5m said:

" @erik said:
" Torch will solo. "
most times I see in threads torch looses to storm, i know he's bloodlusted but how do you think he solos?? "

He has planet destructive power. Storm needs to be under a great deal of stress to come up with winds that cover the globe and with fire that all-encompassing, all it would do is push the fire around as it kills her. In fact, she might even end up feeding the fire with her winds.

#37 Posted by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@erik:
Y'know, now that you mention it, I have to agree... a bloodlusted Johnny would fly in and and, um, torch both Logan and Storm. The fact that he's enraged would see his flame overpowering the elemental godness of Kenya - if for nothing else than the simple fact he'd be the aggressor and on the offensive. However, Logan would, eventually, recover (ala Nitro style), hunt Johnny down, kill him in his sleep for killing Storm, then to the same to the Thing - though Ben he'd face head on.

The end. :P

#38 Posted by Erik (27224 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Ramtha07:
Even though Wolverine would recover, he still is out of the fight once his flesh is burned away.

#39 Posted by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@erik:
Agreed

#40 Posted by god_spawn (30404 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@erik:
Can Logan even recover from another attack like Nitro anymore? Ive heard some people say he cant and would die permantly.

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#41 Posted by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@god_spawn:
There's nothing that says he can't ... up to the writer of the month I suppose...

#42 Posted by Erik (27224 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

" @erik: Can Logan even recover from another attack like Nitro anymore? Ive heard some people say he cant and would die permantly. "

Yes. What people are referring to is the Logan Dies story arc. An arc that was immediately ignored by other writers. In the story it says that if Wolverine dies, he will die for good. Since then, he has died several time. One issue had him dead just 2 months after the Logan Dies story arc in Chop Shop.

#43 Posted by god_spawn (30404 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@erik said:

" @god_spawn said:

" @erik: Can Logan even recover from another attack like Nitro anymore? Ive heard some people say he cant and would die permantly. "
Yes. What people are referring to is the Logan Dies story arc. An arc that was immediately ignored by other writers. In the story it says that if Wolverine dies, he will die for good. Since then, he has died several time. One issue had him dead just 2 months after the Logan Dies story arc in Chop Shop. "

awesome thanks for the update bud

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#44 Posted by Erik (27224 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@god_spawn:
My pleasure.

#45 Posted by Edgeworth_11 (4656 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

X-men win this. Like many have said, Johnny needs oxygen and Storm deprieved him of that. she would dose him in water on top of that. and taht is the end of johnny. and Wolverine easily takes out ben. the thing being blood lusted makes no difference, wolverine would still tear him up without any problems.

#46 Edited by virgin4life (428 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Human Torch solos...

he burns storm before she can give a speech and react and wolverine cant touch him in the air so he burns him too

#47 Edited by DeathsHead2 (1625 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@erik:

THIS!


Also, Daken should/could have been KILLED by Thing in that post earlier, P.K.69. Thing buried his face, and F'ed him up with one shot. If Thing kept going, Daken would be no more than a pile of pulpy mushed crap... literally. Besides, if Ben got his hands on Wolverine, he could rip his arms off... also literally! Blood lusted, remember. Think Thing against Daken from earlier, only worse and NOT stopped. Wolverine meets his end! (Atleast of his arms!)

Finally, I think a blood lusted Torch would be burning to a degree (literally) that Storm isn't extinguishing. He goes supernova in record time, killing her and F'ing up Wolverine, bad! Once again, THING is immune to Torch's flames, so he's okay. The X-Men, not so lucky...

"Fantastic 2" for the win, still!

; )

#48 Posted by Omarpool (6773 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I'm going to have to go with Wolverine and Storm here. Storm does the whole oxygen depriving thing or doses the Human Torch with water. Then if The Thing and Wolverine are still fighting she helps her partner out.

#49 Edited by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@DeathsHead2:

if Ben got his hands on Wolverine, he could rip his arms off... also literally! Blood lusted, remember. Think Thing against Daken from earlier, only worse and NOT stopped. Wolverine meets his end!

Ya... that's a heck of a conditional I'm afraid. Let me get this straight, Ben is going to walk up to someone of Wolvie's speed and fighting calibre and just, um, grab his arms... um... no. Not before Logan buries all 6 of his twelve inch adamantium blades into his sorry hide. Wolvie can get ganked by some 2nd tier ranged folks, this I can see, as ranged will always be a bad fight for Wolvie if they see him coming. But Wolverine will always be a bad fight for 1st tier bruisers, who actually need to get close to Clobber him for a win... and who don't share his healing factor, let alone fighting ability.

No way Thing wins against Wolverine. Johnny Storm? Takes Wolvie almost everytime (unless Logan can, as aforementioned, sneak up on him unawares).

#50 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - 2 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@DeathsHead2 said:

" Pissed off Thing and Torch here? Oh man, Ben Grimm gives Wolverine the ass-whooping he deserved in their previous fights! Also, Johnny BBQ's Storm with a supernova! Fantastic "Two" for the win, 9/10! "