@ShadowPro: you said no prep. So how would Ben know which alien to use versus Raven? Raven would just turn him into a vegetable. Also Raven does not use magic at all. Her powers are magical in nature, but she doesn't cast any spells.
@OmgOmgWtfWtf: raven can't turn people into vegtable, i've never seen that, and if she doen't use magic spells, why do you even emntion that?, beide it doesn't matter if is the first alien or not, he will turn into him sooner or later, or even the second he notes that ravn is a magic girl
@ShadowPro: raven can drain a person of all their emotions turning them into vegetables. She has done so before. She equally just use her empathic abilities to mind rape Ben and KO him then.
@OmgOmgWtfWtf: if you are talking about the raven from the original comic, let me tell you, I'm not, when i said comic's feats I ment the teen titans go comic
@ShadowPro: Well you should be more specific in the op then. You said comics, so I assumed you meant their comic book incarnations, not the comic based off the tv show.
ok i thought about it i think team will win if beast boy has that megabeastwerewolfthing, starfire is angry, cyborg is feeling confident, robin is stressed about slade, and raven has her trigon end of season 4 powers. if they dont take it seriously then ben could take it.
i like ben 10 a lot more but the team has so much toonforce i think they will take. ben only hope is like waybig or clockwork
Raven solos her power set can answer to any of ben's aliens even X if neccessary plus she can still mind rape even in the cartoon as shown with gizmo and dr light
he can only shapeshift into other animals, so he could only use beast
@morgrim said:
Raven solos her power set can answer to any of ben's aliens even X if neccessary plus she can still mind rape even in the cartoon as shown with gizmo and dr light
terraspin is magicproof so her powers are useless against him, alien x is omnipotent so there is no version of her can deal with him and I don't think she gets the chance to mind rape ben
@ShadowPro: Actually he could shapeshift into anything he wanted by the looks of it, granted he never did anything as extensive as the Martian Manhunter, but he is still able to mimic anything he's seen...and he did turn into a Gordanian once in the comic. As for omnipotence...that's what Trigon said of himself before she wiped him from existence.
@ShadowPro: Actually he could shapeshift into anything he wanted by the looks of it, granted he never did anything as extensive as the Martian Manhunter, but he is still able to mimic anything he's seen...and he did turn into a Gordanian once in the comic. As for omnipotence...that's what Trigon said of himself before she wiped him from existence.
no, the original one from the comics can take any form but the one from tv, I've only seen him shapeshift into animals (including alien animals) and trigon (at least from the tv) is no way near close to omnipotence, I mean the alien x rebuild the whole universe by him/her/himself, trigon (at least in the series) didn't do anything like that
@ShadowPro: Well you did allow the use of both the TTG comic and the cartoon. I would point out that rebuilding a universe doesn't mean omnipotent (besides CV recently made it illegal to actually feature genuinely omnipotent characters). According to Slade, the journey from the prison he was in and to the Earth had taken much of Trigons power, and even with that energy spent on travel, he was still able to wipe out the world in the blink of an eye and be too powerful for any of the other Titans to actually threaten afterwards.
@ShadowPro: Well you did allow the use of both the TTG comic and the cartoon. I would point out that rebuilding a universe doesn't mean omnipotent (besides CV recently made it illegal to actually feature genuinely omnipotent characters). According to Slade, the journey from the prison he was in and to the Earth had taken much of Trigons power, and even with that energy spent on travel, he was still able to wipe out the world in the blink of an eye and be too powerful for any of the other Titans to actually threaten afterwards.
once again, I meant the teen titans go comic, not the original one and if creating a new universe like alien x did doesn't seem omnipotenc to you well, that too bad, anyway he is out of the list, and one thing is trigon and other is ben
@ShadowPro: And I am talking about the TTG comic (if we are still talking about Bestboy), in #36 he turns into a Gordanian to infiltrate their ship. Predictably his cover is blown when he tries to talk like a Gordanian.
@ShadowPro: And I am talking about the TTG comic (if we are still talking about Bestboy), in #36 he turns into a Gordanian to infiltrate their ship. Predictably his cover is blown when he tries to talk like a Gordanian.
ok, but I'm gonna need a scan to belive it
@UltimateHero0406 said:
Ben turns into an ultimate Tamaranian and stomps lol.
Nice scan. So I'm guessing or someone else is implying that Beast Boy will copy Ben's aliens and gain an advantage. But this is not so. Even if BB manages to copy one, it will take time for him to learn how to use it's powers in most cases. And in other cases Ben will know how to fight in that body better. Plus Ben can always change into something better than BB and he will have to learn all over again. Thats time that he does not have in this fight. And there are a few aliens which I doubt BB could turn into:
@UltimateHero0406: I'd point out that Beastboy never appears to have to learn anything about the animals he changes into, such as different types of flight, his powers even allows him to overwrite the likes of Mumbo that tried to turn him into cartoon-versions of animals. An example is how he in the Crash episode suddenly reminded himself that as an single cell organism he could create his own doubles and promptly created millions of himself to overwhelm the virus he'd given Cyborg.
@ShadowPro: A common misunderstanding is that ravens powers are completely magically they are not. While she does have magic in her arsenal she is first and foremost an empath who utilizes the crushing power of her soul self. So no teraspin would not be immune.
And with regards to alien X Paradox was able to turn ben back to ben by reversing time which forced him to revert raven can do the same
@Outside_85: True but Ben would still know how to use them better since he has more experience with the more complex powers. Plus he can upgrade them which is a function soley of the Ultimatrix and not in those alien's genetics meaning even if BB can use insticts of the animals he copies, he won't be able to go ultimate. And like I said there are many aliens that I doubt BB could replicate due the lack of living organic matter such as silicon based life forms like Echo Echo or one composed of nanomachines like Upgrade.
@ShadowPro: A common misunderstanding is that ravens powers are completely magically they are not. While she does have magic in her arsenal she is first and foremost an empath who utilizes the crushing power of her soul self. So no teraspin would not be immune.
And with regards to alien X Paradox was able to turn ben back to ben by reversing time which forced him to revert raven can do the same
good point, but even though, I've only seen her use her empath powers to know if robin was under any kind of mind control or something like that when slade was screwing in his mind, plus she has never use them in battle, she only uses her TK and the Azarath Metrion Zinthos spell
and her time powers where only used in her birthday and she wasn't very good using them anyway, (not that I can remenber), anyway alien x is not here so it doesn't matter
@UltimateHero0406 said:
@Outside_85: True but Ben would still know how to use them better since he has more experience with the more complex powers. Plus he can upgrade them which is a function soley of the Ultimatrix and not in those alien's genetics meaning even if BB can use insticts of the animals he copies, he won't be able to go ultimate. And like I said there are many aliens that I doubt BB could replicate due the lack of living organic matter such as silicon based life forms like Echo Echo or one composed of nanomachines like Upgrade.
you got that right pal
one more thing, remenber that if a gag is placed over her mouth, she cannot complete her spell and she cannot connect with her powers until the gag is removed, ben can easily gag her with stinkfly's goo
@ShadowPro: If Raven can speak or not is irrelevant, that the act of gagging breaks her immediate focus is all it does. If you remember the Nevermore episode, Dr. Light interrupts her at first by blasting her before advising she should find a shorter magic word, she responds by hurling a bike at him without speaking. Azeroth Metrion Zinthos is simply a mantra that helps her focus (which is why she chants it while meditating).
@UltimateHero0406: Well that might be true, but I was referring to Beastboy not needing a course to learn how to function as the animals he changed into.
@Outside_85: He would be able to use there basic abilities but as for fighting fluently, not as much. Look at like this. A a novice wrestler is fighting a buff pro wrestler. The novice can transform and make himself as buff as the pro. But the pro will still wrestle the novice into a pretzel knot because he knows how to use the body better. And I theorize that BB uses the animal's ingrown instincts to function. But this doesn't help much when mimicing a life form with complex behavioral patterns that are learned. This includes high level fighting techniques. It is not instinctual. It is learned through combat and use. And BB has never used anything like these before. And your right, Raven doesn't need the mantra. Her TK is mental.
@ShadowPro: Normally I put it down to her trying to get it off and him having departed shortly thereafter.
@UltimateHero0406: That is true and I am not saying he'd turn into Kung-Fu Panda Master if he came across one. That said most animals tend not to have terribly complex attack and defence mechanisms. What he can use it for however is to stall Ben to let the others to get into position.
@ShadowPro: you said no prep. So how would Ben know which alien to use versus Raven? Raven would just turn him into a vegetable. Also Raven does not use magic at all. Her powers are magical in nature, but she doesn't cast any spells.
Does "Azarath Metrion Zinthos" mean anyhting to you?
@BlueComet: If you read my comments afterwards then you would know I was speaking about comic book Raven, not the Teen Titan show. She doesn't use spells at all in the comics, rather her power stem from her demonic nature.
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