Ben 10 vs Superman

Rules:

New 52 version

no Alien x

no speedblizt

no trolling please

morals on

10 minutes of prep

Ben has time to trasform

@atomix: Superman

Depends if Ben has pre knowledge on Superman or not. With pore knowledge, Ben can win. Without it, Clark has more chance of taking this.

This has been done.

This was made before and locked for being a mismatch in Superman's favor.

Im not an expert but superman hasn't never enter in the hyperspace.

For enter in the Hyperspace you are to excess the speed light but why superman never enter in this dimension?

@atomix:

this^^

@ssj_god: Even Superman has no knowledge on Ben.

doesn't matter.. there are only few aliens who could actually do anything against superman even with speed equalized.... and without prior knowledge, ben turning into one of them is pretty slim.

@ssj_god: i have an idea to ponder on... Wouldn't omnitrix just scan Superman as he is an alien and give Ben a new transformation?

lmao.. that's a possibility... but omnitrix doesn't always scan aliens... otherwise ben would've already had an anodite (the second most powerful being in ben 10 verse) as one of his aliens.

@ssj_god: Ben has beat many enemis without knowledge

they weren't on superman's level.. and as i said.. there are very few aliens who can actually do anything against superman

Not true. Omnitrix always scans new life form. Those which are not in its database. The reason omnitrix has not scanned Anodites is because it can't. Anodites don't have a DNA.

@rbt: I don't recall Ben scanning the Vreedle Brothers when he first fought them.

Not saying that Ben cannot defeat Superman at all. But without prior knowledge. he'd most likely transform into H-saur or Four Arms and might get KOed. With even basic information on Superman, he can transform into aliens that can defeat him.

Means there must be a sample of their DNA already present in omnitrix. This is the official rule.

@rbt: When was that stated?

It wasn't. But omnitrix has never scanned Osmosian DNA either. Either from Kevin or Agreggor. Dwayne McDuffie said it means omnitrix already has osmosian DNA in it. Ben just hasn't unlocked it yet.

It was officially stated that omnitrix has samples of all intelligence species in Milky Way. And only Milky Way. That's why ultimatrix(which has same database as omnitrix) kept scanning DNA of aliens from Andomeda galaxy.

Ben without prior knowledge probably gets stomped, unless he uses Way Big.

@atomix: Now, the mods hate you because of this. haha

http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/Anodite

I know it wiki, but I can assure you I have read the whole forum of Dwayne McDuffie where he said it. I can't find the link right now.

Go to Trivia section.

omnitrix never scanned dna aliens... they were genetically modified.. so omnitrix already having the dna was not possible

@ssj_god: Maltruant, Diagon, Aggregor, Darkstar and Eon are more powerful than Superman.

Omnitrix doesn't scan gentically mutated DNA either. Same reason it didn't try to scan Kevin when he absorbed ultimatrix. Btw, its DNAliens.

Would it even matter? If I recall correctly, male Anodites aren't even capable of manipulating mana, so Ben would be wasting his time.

What are you talking about? Was it stated somewhere? Because I'm pretty sure Ben 10K was manipulating mana.

nope.. it didn't scanned kevin because all of those alien dnas were already present in omnitrix

ben defeated neither of them without prior knowledge

@ssj_god:

nope.. it didn't scanned kevin because all of those alien dnas were already present in omnitrix

And all those DNA were mutated and combined to form a completely new one. Any living thing can't have more than one DNA.

doesn't change the fact that all of them were already present in the omnitrix

Actually, it was explicitly stated by Verdona that male Anodites can't manipulate mana, so that's why Ben didn't have Gwen's powers. Guess the writers decided to retcon that too.

Going by that logic, humans were mutated into DNAliens and human DNA is already present in database.

@mrunsmiley: If you're talking about the episode "What little girls are made of", the one in which Verdona debuted, IIRC, she was strictly talking about males in Tennyson family. They didn't have the spark.Gwen did. I don't think she was talking about whole race in general. But it's been a while since I saw that episode.

@mrunsmiley: Verdona has never say that male Anodites can't manipulate the mana

She has say that Ben doesn't have the spark

Can Ben use a infinite mass punch against Superman for win ?

these ones weren't

Using which alien? Clockwork?

@rbt: no Jetray or Chromastone that are FTL.

They have FTL travel speed. I don't think they can even do IMP. Thor and Silver Surfer, both are massively faster than light when it comes to travel speed but they can't do IMP. Only aliens of Ben who has potential to do so is Clockwork. And Alien X obviously.

@rbt: For enter in the Hyperspace you are to go at infinite speed= fast than light.

And Jetray jump in Hyperspace

I read it on wikipedia.

I am not denying that Jetray is FTL. He is. But only in travel speed and not in reaction or combat speed, which is required for IMP. Same reason why Flash can do an IMP but Thor or Silver Surfer can't.

though surfer have nanosecond (light speed) reaction feat

@rbt: Yes Jetray doesn't have combat speed

But the official ben 10 site says that is reflex speed and is travel speed are pratically the same.

IMP would occur if the person was traveling FTL and just held their fist out. No need for them to swing the fist AND be flying/running FTL.

So actually anyone who can travel FTL can do it. That's the same reason it's impossible for a physical object to travel at the speed of light (INFINITE MASS and all) but that's too much science for this topic.

Ben only has a few aliens that can compete with Supes, and none of them can compete with him in all aspects, so i doubt Ben can win this.

@silverrings: Ben can use Clorckwork time ray, Waybig cosmic ray, absorb is radiation with NRG or control him using Ghost Freak and there is many other alien

There is a single factor that is being overlooked. Superman has sedative hearing. And it just so happens that Ben has the right Alien for the job.

@gxrevolution96: You mean Eco Eco or Bliztwolfer?

The former