Ben 10 vs Martian Manhunter

Ben 10 vs MMH

Ben has all aliens, but not Alien X

MMH is pre/new 52, but TP isn't allowed

In character, but MMH has no problem fighting a kid

Round 1

Random encounter

Round 2

Ben gets full knowledge of MMH before the fight

EDIT I got rid of the bonus round because I didn't know that much about Alien X. Didn't know he was an omnipotent reality warper

Does Ben have master control?

MMH blitz's ben for a slight majority.

Martian Manhunter.

@stormdriven: From what I understand it gives him unlimited time as aliens, so sure

Ben ten can change into aliens. Martian Manhunter can shape shift. Martian Manhunter is older and more experienced. so Imma go with Martian Manhunter.

@batbro15: He can also change whenever he wants to between aliens.

I'm still giving it to J'onn but it's closer.

MM wins.

But Ben could end up scanning him and gaining all of his powers :p.

Couldn't Ghostfreak do something though?

Ben could win with a few aliens for round 1.

Round 2 should go to Ben with knowledge.

Bonus is an unholy stomp for Ben.

MMH round 1

Round 2 Either Heatblast or Swampfire could possibly beat MMH, otherwise MMH again

Bonus round Alien X

@batbro15: Alien X survived the universe ending, and has held the Big Bang within his hands

Yet again J'onn's nonexistent weakness to fire is brought up.

I can't think of any aliens that would beat him..

@juiceboks: Toepick could.

Martian Manhunter wins round 1 imo.

Round 2, with knowledge I'm pretty sure Ben could cook something up. Though I still think Martian has a shot.

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: Maybe if J'onn lets him open his cage..I'm still not entirely sold on his powers either. I honestly think Batman could resist him given the fact that Toepick has never affected someone with great willpower/fear resisting feats.

Ben drowns

I never intentionally lowball characters, but could some Ben 10 fans explain to me how he would have a chance here?

Manhunter wins both rounds. Far more experienced and better where it counts.

MM

If Martian manhunter shoots his eyelazer's I'm sure they'd kill half his aliens

A lot of Ben's aliens have pretty powerful gimmicks. Some of these gimmicks, if they work on Manhunter, could pull a few wins or at least give a challenge. Without the gimmicky aliens, Ben wouldn't be able to put up a very good fight. And it doesn't help that Ben's kinda dumb.

Goes Heatblast second round, gg

(Jk)

It's Toepick's Hideousness though...

So Batman could resist that?

I want to mention that in Ben 10 debates people really shouldn't bother stating that X Character is older and has more experince like it matters

Ben has fought Maltruant who is billions of years old at the very least

Vilgax who is 200 years sold at the least

Malware who's several decades old

Eon who's god knows how old long

Aggregor who's older than Kevin by several years

ect, people with much more experience don't stop them from getting wooped by Ben.

@iamoptimusprime: He's resisted the effects of fear on multiple occasions and shown to overcome the varying effects of mental strain on his brain.

Toepick's powers are vague as hell as is so it's difficult to actually debate against him.

Humungousar full grown size has lift ( 81k tons ) with not too much difficulty, Waybig and Atomix are even more strenght of is ultimate form, Diamondhead, Chromastone and possibly Waterhazard are too much durable, Jetray can go FTL i dont' even think that mind rape would work Ben has fights telepats like Diagon that are more powerful of Martian Manhunter.

@atomix: sorry he doesn't . MMH has gotten into the SPECTRE'S mind he's also use telekinesis on a universal level literally and he's strebgth and speed would kill almost all of bens aliens instantly

@xxxcarzellxxx: Even Alien x? i don't think so.

Atomix and Waybig are at least more of 100.000 tons, i don't now the strength level of Martian Manhunter but Cromastone and Jetray are too fast, Swampfire, Heatbalst and NRG would burn him.

hey come on... don't bait him... we all know who's alien x

on op: if MMH doesn't blitz and kill ben... then i'd say clockwork, toepick etc would have a chance to win.

How does ben even hit him?? never mind that mmh can go abstract but he is FTL also... Another thing,,, MMH has TK not just TP... so he could tk him to death... Ben can only be one monster at a time and I don't know one that can fight with mmh

Can someone please tell me how @atomix is posting more than 5 times in one day?

Is it a bug or something?

@atomix: that's an insult to Martian manhunter as he is on par with superman In strength and can enhance his strength has matter manipulation extraordianry TK TP and can shape shift density shift go invisible intagible etc he could literally become those characters and use their powers

@ssj_god: I hate trolls and the fact that all Ben 10 threads lead to alien x pisses me off

Even Celestialsapiens, robots, and people who feed on fear are affected by his gaze. The creators said it's the scariest thing in the universe and that the only thing immune to it it is someone who is blind or someone could beat him if they make him look at himself via a mirror.

I have to give this fight to Ben because of Clockworks MMH has no defense against a time warper

@themongoose:

ok I don't know him... I was just wondering if this was even fair... I did try the cartoons not to long ago and just couldn't get into them but it was when he was very little...

oh yeah clockwork is pretty strong the only thing that could stop him was another alien of the same race

@themongoose:

Would he know to use that one before mmh ended the fight? does he have any kind of awareness ie silver surfer or a green lantern?

MMH is essentially a omnitrix mixed with Superman.

Clockwork has no TP resistance feats iirc.

@themongoose: @princearagorn1:

the op doesn't allow for tp... I just don't know how ben 10 knows which monster will work tho... and does clockwork control time or just travel through time?? that is kind of huge

ben doesn't know... however... if it's morals on... maybe he'll get the chance.... and if he's lucky... i can see only clockwork and toepick having a chance (alien x isn't allowed here.. obviously)

that's because some people likes to say things like 'flash stomps ben 10 verse' etc etc........ believe me... there are ignorant people all around.

MMH wins....as much as it pains me to say this. His set of skills are....well pretty problematic. If Ben could start out in something like NRG or Jet Ray, he may stand a chance but not otherwise.

@ssj_god: so he would have to fight until he figured out he needed to use those monsters? Can he be knocked out before then? You are right tho that morals will help as mmh may not do the worst to him so he may have time..

I know this is late and all but....is it a new 52 thing that he doesn't have a weakness to fire? I mean, I KNOW he has a weakness to fire Pre 52.

mm

yeah... i'm not too leaning towards ben.... as MMH would still have advantage.... but if ben can transform into certain aliens... the he might have a shot.

@ssj_god: so its probably a stomp either way,, if ben has knowledge and starts out in the monsters that can win then he probably wins easily? Idk its a hard fight to picture and make where both sides have a real shot at winning...