Ben 10,000 vs Superman Beyond

• Ben has the Omnitrix, master control, all aliens and all of his feats from the show (no Alien X or time travel)
• This is old Superman with all of his DCAU feats
• Takes place in a small town in the desert at night
• There are civilians around
• No prep or prior knowledge
• Both are in character
• To the death or incapacitation

What's with their muscles? It looks someone injected them with steroids and inflated them with a pump.

Ultimate WayBig beats him down.

The real question is, can Ben 10,000 turn into a Kryptonian???

Clockwork solos. Toepick solos. Ultimate Way Big solos. Ultimate Big Chill solos. Chromastone could potentially solo via Solar Energy Draining. Need I say more?

@mysticmedivh said:

I think Ben's face in that pic is really weird, too.

You really think he's strong enough?

Good question, but assuming he can't do you think he can beat Superman?

How would you say they solo this, bearing the rules above in mind?

@silverrings:

Ultimate BC because IIRC this Superman doesn't hit intangibles.

Anyways Toon Superman is a joke.

Feats for Superman Beyond?

stomp in ben's favor

@parryboy said:

Good point, if he's intangible he can't be hit, but how would Ben actually defeat Superman?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKpGn1pyQyo

Also, because this is DCAU Superman, all his DCAU feats count here.

How come?

@silverrings:

I'd still say Ben could win here. He has many different varities of things he can do to beat Supes

@fu-dog007 Ok, cool, which of his aliens do you think could beat Supes?

@Silverrings: as NRG ben can tag and drain superman(even new 52 let alone dcau)

Wouldn't matter. Superman is who he is cus of years of absorbed Sun light. Ben would only have seconds. At best Ultimate form might work but even then I give it to Supes via experience

@saint_wildcard:

Very true

Toepick wins

@silverrings: @saint_wildcard: @fu-dog007:

this ^^

toepick = easy win (one shot)

Ben looks like the biggest tool in that pic lmaoo.

Ultimate Waybig makes this irrelevant.

No, no he does not. Superman is too fast and would wreck him

No....UWB was taking hits from a universal level threat, the his cosmic rays were hurting Dagon. Also normal Waybig ran so fast he made a tornade to the sun, Ultimate would he even faster. Superman is not to fast.

Superman took the Omega Beams, and Superman is at least 200 times faster than light

Vids? I doubt he has that fast of Combat speed.

Ohh boy, here comes the DBZ logic. I'm out

Wat? All I did was ask for proof.

Yes, but you mentioned combat speed which is commonly used by DBZ fans to debunk SUperman's speed. As for the proof

They were around Pluto and teleported from there to Earth. On the next panel he's already there. It took him less than a minute to get too earth and if you do the math thats 200 times faster than light

@allstarsuperman: I just realzed that this is about the cartoon Superman,,,, never mind. He did take the omega beams though :

Oh....that makes more sense. Do you still think Supes wins though?

Nah. That Superman was beyond Nerfed. He had close to no speed feats and his strength is not even 1% of Superman's in the comics, but the durability feat is valid.

@saint_wildcard:

Not when he sees Toepick; a guy with a dwarf star on his hands became paler than the dwarf star after seeing Ben.

chromastone solos

Ben stomps. Hard.

ben stomps really hard I could argue ben 10k can fight comics superman

Is Comicbook!Superman Beyond canon to the series? Because if he is, he stomps considering he moved a kryptonite moon to the sun

@jogga: Look up Atomic X please and seeing how ben loves to spam him he stomps epicly

@geekoverload: in that case, yes.

Damn, I'm very behind on my Ben 10 stuff.

Not that I regret it.

I think ben 10k takes this

Ben 10,000 goes Alien X and beats him down.

Nah, all Ben needs to do is go Alien X before he fights Sups.

Here's a quick bio for Alien X for those who don't know:

Alien X is exactly like The Living Tribunal. He was basically created from the center (forge) of creation. OKAY CLARIFIY IT, HE IS OMNIPOTENT. He is basically the entire Ben 10 universe or "multiverse". He created universes, can manipulate matter, possesses high-level reality warping, etc. I don't know how they manage to seal this badmothajamma into the Watch, but either way, this is Ben's ultimate weapon and the only weakness is that he is basically frozen in time and he has three personalities that have to all agree.