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#1 Edited by Joygirl (20072 posts) - - Show Bio

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Round 1:

- Three days of prep for both.

- Both get standard gear -- Kate gets her tear gas, batarangs, rope, etc. etc., Harley gets her popgun, mallet, jester-head grappling hook, and a few smiley-face bombs.

- Harley gets her Ivy-given powers -- strength, speed, healing, toxin immunity

- In character

- Fight takes place in a Counter-Strike battlefield

Round 2:

-Same as Round 1, but using New 52 versions.

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#2 Posted by CrimsonCake (2679 posts) - - Show Bio

I think one of the batgirls have only a basic knowledge of martial arts but I'm not sure about this one.I think Harley Would win seeing as how she has her gear.

#3 Posted by Dernman (15266 posts) - - Show Bio

I want to say Harley Quinn. I really want to say Harley Quinn but I don't see her winning.

#4 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dernman said:

I want to say Harley Quinn. I really want to say Harley Quinn but I don't see her winning.

This I just don't see her beating BW. Though I love Harley so much more

#5 Posted by Joygirl (20072 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dernman: @Blood1991: Really? Someone who can go blow-for-blow with Bruce Wayne will fall so easily to the least experienced member of the bat-family?

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#6 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl: Yes, I've read some Batwoman and there is a reason while Bruce allows her to be BW without being trained by him. She is pretty bad ass, Harley is hard to pick in battles because sometimes she is a hardcore fighter othertimes not so much.... She can win It really depends on how nutty she feels that day.

#7 Posted by Dernman (15266 posts) - - Show Bio
@Joygirl: I wouldn't say Harley can go toe to toe with Batman seriously but forget that for a second. 
As much as her tricks and unpredictability is an assets. She is also her own worst enemy. She gets in her own way with her comedy schtick. Stopping to make a joke or using a terribly slow and hard to maneuver weapon like a mallet. Post 52 Harley would have a better chance then pre 52 but she would still lose. 
 
I also think you underestimate Batwoman.
#8 Posted by Joygirl (20072 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't underestimate her, I've read some Batwoman and I like her a lot. I just think this would be a close fight.

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#9 Edited by Dernman (15266 posts) - - Show Bio

It could be close because of three days prep and if Harley doesn't fall into a strait up fight but i still have to give the majority of wins to BW.

#10 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dernman said:

I want to say Harley Quinn. I really want to say Harley Quinn but I don't see her winning.
#11 Posted by Joygirl (20072 posts) - - Show Bio

Gonna give this one more roll.

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#12 Posted by Saren (25918 posts) - - Show Bio

Kate wins the prep round, she has a device that one-shotted Croc, Bloody Mary and the Weeping Woman.

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#13 Posted by Alexander505 (2172 posts) - - Show Bio

Harley is very dangerous, immune to poison, and with superhuman agility comparable to that of Dick Grayson and Catwoman, but does not excel in melee combat. In my opinion wins Batwoman.

#14 Posted by The_Thunderer (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that Harley Quinn can take quite a lot of punishment, and this is likely to tire and infuriate BW leaving Harley a chance to get her while she does a wild lunge or something, but that plan is based on the fact Harley can last 5 mins of punching from someone with superstrength

#15 Posted by Joygirl (20072 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman has superstrength?

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#16 Posted by Saren (25918 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

Batwoman has superstrength?

Nah. She can tank bullets in her current suit though.

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#17 Posted by Joygirl (20072 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh wow, that's pretty sweet. Go Kate.

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#18 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman

#19 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman

#20 Posted by TDK_1997 (15007 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman wins both rounds.

#21 Posted by Joygirl (20072 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#22 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

I was about to make this fight. I'm suprised that everyone thinks it's so one-sided...

#23 Posted by Saren (25918 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman.

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#24 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Why?

#25 Posted by Saren (25918 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower said:

@CitizenBane: Why?

Better trained, better equipped, better displays of skill, current costume allows for increased durability.

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#26 Posted by Saren (25918 posts) - - Show Bio

For the New 52 round, here's a halfway decent feat:

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#27 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Impressive indeed.

While I think that Batwoman is the better fighter, obviously, I do think that she will lose in the Pre-52.

I think Harley is better physically by a good portion and has the better equipment. I also think that her pain tolerance, which is often ignored, could be effective here. Lastly, Harley is skilled and has shown this before. I don't the skill difference is so big that it will give Batwoman the win.

#28 Posted by Blacklightning13 (916 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman.

#29 Posted by Saren (25918 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower: I do not think she will lose the pre-52 round. Harley is skilled as and when the writer feels like it, most of the time she is not, and a lot of her "skill" feats from her solo series like chumping Batman and duking it out with Cassandra Cain and Tim Drake at the same time are plain nonsense. Kate has handled metahumans with increased speed and agility just fine:

And taken down some were-animals:

I do not see Harley's slightly-above-Olympic-level stats being that much of an issue, most adult gorillas are tougher and stronger than that.

I'll have to check, but IIRC even pre-52 she had tech like tasers and such on her. Pre-52 she was skilled enough that she nearly killed Huntress while under Darkseid's mind-control.

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#30 Edited by gunmetalgrey (1271 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower said:

I think Harley is better physically by a good portion and has the better equipment.

I highly doubt this.

The first because Harley spent all her early years and some of her adult life without any kind of experience, as an athlete or with any show of physicality, while Kate had the military background all her life from her father and eventually entered the military as her first career.

As for the second, I would say Harley's equipment is more unconventional, but not better per se. Her equipment has the gag gimmick as a secondary priority while Kate's is no-nonsense and purposeful. Kate is also fully backed by whatever her father (a colonel in the U.S. Army) can sneak away from the military's resources.

#31 Posted by Strider92 (16756 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dernman said:

I want to say Harley Quinn. I really want to say Harley Quinn but I don't see her winning.

This

#32 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: I disagree completely. She is skilled, a lack of consistency in a writer's research isn't anything but unfortunate for the seires. She has shown skill outside of those 2 fights. Those being: beating Catwoman, fighting Poison Ivy, Beating Thorn, Beating Two-Face, Beating Killer Croc while injured, fighting blindfolded, etc.

Also, She is over Olympic level in stats. She has been described as inhuman in speed and agility several times. Not to mention she swings a giant hammer like a fly-swatter all the time. She even K.O.'d Bruce with one hit of the hammer, which is impressive IMO. She has has been tagged by a bullet and kept fighting without trouble. calling her Olympic isn't correct. She is peak IMO.

Besides the Hammer, she has her cork gun. She has ricocheted bullets off of several opponets. It broke the ribs of the people it hit. not to mention her accuracy while doing acrobatics. It won't hurt Kate much, but it could knock her off balance or prove as a distraction.

I don't deny her skill, but I don't think Huntress is the most impressive opponent either.

#33 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

@gunmetalgrey said:

@Strafe Prower said:

I think Harley is better physically by a good portion and has the better equipment.

I highly doubt this.

The first because Harley spent all her early years and some of her adult life without any kind of experience, as an athlete or with any show of physicality, while Kate had the military background all her life from her father and eventually entered the military as her first career.

As for the second, I would say Harley's equipment is more unconventional, but not better per se. Her equipment has the gag gimmick as a secondary priority while Kate's is no-nonsense and purposeful. Kate is also fully backed by whatever her father (a colonel in the U.S. Army) can sneak away from the military's resources.

Not true. She was a world-class acrobat previous to her employment at Arkham. That is where she gets the acrobatics from. As a gymnist, she obviously would be in awesome physical condition.

While I have only read 1 or 2 issues with Batwoman outside of her 52 appearances, I don't remember anything that was impressive equipment wise.

#34 Posted by Saren (25918 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower said:

@CitizenBane: I disagree completely. She is skilled, a lack of consistency in a writer's research isn't anything but unfortunate for the seires. She has shown skill outside of those 2 fights. Those being: beating Catwoman, fighting Poison Ivy, Beating Thorn, Beating Two-Face, Beating Killer Croc while injured, fighting blindfolded, etc.

Also, She is over Olympic level in stats. She has been described as inhuman in speed and agility several times. Not to mention she swings a giant hammer like a fly-swatter all the time. She even K.O.'d Bruce with one hit of the hammer, which is impressive IMO. She has has been tagged by a bullet and kept fighting without trouble. calling her Olympic isn't correct. She is peak IMO.

Besides the Hammer, she has her cork gun. She has ricocheted bullets off of several opponets. It broke the ribs of the people it hit. not to mention her accuracy while doing acrobatics. It won't hurt Kate much, but it could knock her off balance or prove as a distraction.

I don't deny her skill, but I don't think Huntress is the most impressive opponent either.

She beat Catwoman by shooting her with an oversized gun, I do not see how that is evidence of H2H skill. She defeated Ivy by manipulating Ivy's feelings for her to drop her guard, in that same issue she herself said that on any level playing field, Ivy outmatches her. I don't remember her fighting Thorn. Why is beating Two-Face being mentioned here? Dick Grayson defeated him twice during his early years as Robin. Everyone who's anyone in Gotham has beaten Killer Croc. Fighting blindfolded is nice and all, but even Damian Wayne has done that.

She was described as being higher than Olympic level by some GCPD lab technicians who analyzed a sample of her blood.

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#35 Posted by gunmetalgrey (1271 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower: Huh, I knew she did some acrobatics, but didn't know she was on a competitive level. I still won't concede that her training has better combat applications than Kate's.

#36 Posted by Saren (25918 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower said:

I don't remember anything that was impressive equipment wise.

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#37 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane:Selina had the element of surprise and got a few strikes before Harley used her speed and agility to get and opening and shoot her. I wouldn't call it skill either, now that I look back at the scans. Truth again, though the fact that she was able to get into her head was impressive. It just shows that she is intelligent in battle and not just about her "gag", as others have stated.

Two-Face had a hostage at the time as well, and Harley still beat him and saved the lady IIRC. She fought Killer Croc after fighting an assassin and was injured. She was limping during most of the fight. Never seen anyone else do that. Can't disagree, but it shows that she does have some skill.

That device by itself would give her the win against Harley. Talk about unfair tech.

@gunmetalgrey: Never stated it would. Just pointed that fact out for you.

#38 Posted by gunmetalgrey (1271 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower: Oh I know you didn't, I was just re-asserting my own comparison of the type of training each has had.

#39 Posted by chromebug (32 posts) - - Show Bio

batwoman because she will plan for it while Harly will just live by the moment.

#40 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

Batwoman is actually pretty awesome. She is underrated alot but she has beaten some of Bats' higher tier adversaries.

Im going with her here.

#41 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

Batwoman

#42 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

Batwoman

#43 Posted by Saren (25918 posts) - - Show Bio

@KMART4455 said:

she has beaten some of Bats' higher tier adversaries

I don't recall Kate fighting any major Batman villains apart from Croc.

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#44 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@KMART4455 said:

she has beaten some of Bats' higher tier adversaries

I don't recall Kate fighting any major Batman villains apart from Croc.

Its ok. No one expects you to know everything about it! :)

#45 Posted by Saren (25918 posts) - - Show Bio

@KMART4455 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@KMART4455 said:

she has beaten some of Bats' higher tier adversaries

I don't recall Kate fighting any major Batman villains apart from Croc.

Its ok. No one expects you to know everything about it! :)

Cute. Who are these adversaries, pray tell?

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#46 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl: Saying Harley can match Bruce is just bullcrap.

#47 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger: despite the fact that she has one-shotted Bruce, and then held her own against him on another occasion....

#48 Posted by Joygirl (20072 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strafe: When did Harley one-shot Bruce? Also, when did she ever actually use her cork gun? I've read her entire solo, GCS, Harley and Ivy, Suicide Squad, Secret Six, Hush, and her GN and don't recall these things. Not calling you out -- just wanna know when they happened so I can read them.

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#49 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl: She knocked him out with the hammer with one-shot IIRC. It's been a while since I read her material, so I don't recall the issue.

I'll post the scans here.

Note: She jumps Batman, but he is KO'd from the hit.

#50 Posted by agentxx (2533 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower: who wouldn't get ko'd by a mallet the size of a man? XD