Battle of the Week VOTING: Black Panther vs. Deathstroke

Damn, T'Challa is wrecking the polls right now.

How the hell is Deathstroke losing so bad come on people, we need more votes for "The World's Greatest Killer" @cable_extreme

How did you put the pics close together like that?

If it was a case where all or most of DC's characters had long-established abilities that dramatically changed after the New 52 jump, then I probably wouldn't even be questioning. Believe it or not, I'm trying to work with what has been presented. In Slade's case - most of his long-standing abilities (reflexes, strength, agility, healing, stamina, durability) seem to have been presented as either equal or superior (so far) to what was presented pre-52, not inferior. I think it's more reasonable to assume, in the absence of enough telling New 52 speed feats, that his speed is probably equal to what it was pre-52, and that it is less reasonable to assume it has been significantly decreased simply because we haven't yet seen high-end speed feats comparable to his high-end pre-52 ones. Just my opinion.

BP wins. He has to much he brings to the table. he knows every fighting style on earth. he beat both black dwaf and a super scroll

Panther imo

And because Wolverine08 is killing it.

And based off of feats,I've seen far more consistent impressive feats from BP than from DS

totally called there would be 1 more btw.

For anyone making a case for Black Panther, remember he just had a massive upgrade in the physicals department. I dare say he may be able to outpower Slade.

@omnicrono:

Believe it or not, I'm trying to work with what has been presented. In Slade's case - most of his long-standing abilities (reflexes, strength, agility, healing, stamina, durability) seem to have been presented as either equal or superior (so far) to what was presented pre-52, not inferior.

But Pre 52 Deathstroke and New 52 Deathstroke are two different people with different origins, so why are we using one as a measuring stick for the other and along with a "Anything you can do, I can do better" line of logic?

I think it's more reasonable to assume, in the absence of enough telling New 52 speed feats, that his speed is probably equal to what it was pre-52, and that it is less reasonable to assumable it has been significantly decreased simply because we haven't yet seen high-end speed feats comparable to his high-end pre-52 ones.

My biggest problem here is that this all goes back to an assumption. Granted, the line of logic used in the assumption isn't terrible, but it's still an assumption at the end of the day. We don't use things like assumptions when working with debates so as to avoid disagreements like the one occurring right now which will be based on different viewings of possibilities and I don't see why Slade should be exception to the feat based evaluation we use for judging character's capabilties. I am not saying that New 52 Deathstroke has had his speed decreased because he isn't even the same guy as Pre 52. If I want to make an assumption of my own, New 52 Slade's feats of strength, durability, etc. are just as good as, if not better than his Pre 52 counterpart, so maybe the fact that his speed showings just mean his creators don't think of him as being that fast? Multiple assumptions can be used if we continue like that. K4tz has let it be known what Slade has been allowed to carry over from his Pre 52 days(Skill feats) ans I think we should draw the line at that.

@twix_right_side:

And because Wolverine08 is killing it.

Panther.

He is just as good,if not better,than Deathstroke in most every physical category (the only one I'll give to DS is strength). And his equipment is more than enough to take much of what Slade can dish out (and even deliver worse).

Not only that,but he takes the skill edge (imo)

lol @wolverine08 can you comment on my winter soldier vs deadpool thread I tagged you in it by the way so you can just check your mail

BP managed to take out a Super-Skrull which had Luke Cage's Skin, Wolverine's Claws, Danny Rand's Iron Fist, and Bullseye's aim along with the fighting styles of Captain America, Moon Knight, Shang Chi, Daredevil, Elektra, and Black Panther himself. He was also highly distracted during the fight and once he got serious he dissected it. I'm not making an argument just yet, but I thought It would be worth showing and displaying.

same

@micah: Thats a excellent feat I know but the skill edge between deathstroke and black panther is not that big and speed wise, i don't think black panther is faster then ds

Not gonna lie in almost every battle thread with Black Panther fighting another street level character, he seems to always take the majority, is he that much of an uber tier street leveler? I'm honestly surprise nobody brought up the fight BP had with Rider(not Batman).

The King of Wakanda will preside over Slade's burial.

With his increased damage output (because of his vibranium knives and claws,which the former were capable of piercing Terrax's skin,and his claws break down any metal on the molecular level) and increased durability (can take hits from an enraged Iron Fist,Terrax,a blast from Phoenix Force Namor,and other cases off the top of my head),he hardly qualifies as street leveler.

And his recent suit can teleport,make force fields,turn invisible,and other things.

@cable_extreme: his armor amplifying him is hard to quantify still, but if it can be shown that BP gets tagged by people equal to pre 52 Slade, then it just means it would be definite that the armor would give him the edge in the speed department.

The antimetal claws though is where everything goes South for Slade imo.

Well in regards to speed, Spider-Man compared his speed to Black Panthers and was surprised at just how fast he was. BP has been shown outmaneuvering Human Torch, closing the distance and taking down Cyclops before he could even fire his optic blast, and has danced around Wolverine. More recently he was shown keeping up with and fighting on par with a Batman analogue in New Avengers.

I would say their both equal in the speed department, but in terms of speed I'm still leaning towards BP for a majority.

The Black Panther has far better equipment. He has his vibranium suit and anti metal claws, as well as a force field, short range teleportation, and his energy daggers. He even has the knowledge of all of the black panthers that have come before him. T'Challa is a born and bred warrior and one of the best tactical minds in the world so I am going to have to go with The Black Panther

OK to be honest I was going to make a case for black panther because I thought he was going to get underrated.....Wasn't expecting these poll results. I feel Slade is being underrated now....

True

Still do it.

It's only a matter of hours (or probably a day) before people downplay him,and scream that he's only winning because of popularity and whatnot.

I mean,considering that some people think that Robin can take him (some people,thank god not most) or that most other street levelers can take him,I would still encourage you to do it if you can,or if you want.

@micah: super skrulls kind of got owned left and right during secret invasion... They had more power and greater numbers and they all got their butts kicked by fewer heroes with less power.

Yeah but this was one that was specifically made to take out Panther, it wasn't just fodder on the battlefield. It was one of the commanders of the invasion of Wakanda itself, so it's still a highly impressive feat.

I highly agree with this statement.

But Pre 52 Deathstroke and New 52 Deathstroke are two different people with different origins, so why are we using one as a measuring stick for the other and along with a "Anything you can do, I can do better" line of logic?

Because "different origin" does not necessarily equate to "completely different character." In fact, as far as the New 52 "reboot" goes, so far that has almost never been the case. Yes, every New 52 character has had his/her origins modified to a degree (personalities, motivations, etc). However, their longstanding superhero abilities/traits... those staples/defining traits that make them superheroes... have pretty much remained the same in most cases. They are essentially the same characters with a few tweaks here and there to their origins, abilities, and personalities. So yes, I believe we can still use pre-52 as a measuring stick (to a degree) where longstanding abilities/staples of a character are concerned.

As for everything else you said, I am in agreement.

Take away the anti metal claws and I'll say it's 50/50, but vibranium mesh suit and antimetal claws that will cut through his armor like a hot knife through butter, I would have to say BP wins solely due to gear. It's close otherwise.

Sadly, I think Deathstroke has found his superior :O @micah

I haven't seen too many people down play black panther. I remember some of the comments I read in the does batman always win article annoyed me (not everyones just a few) but I guess black panthers gotten some respect since then. I guess this is a good thing. I'll state my thoughts later probably.

All though the poll should be a lot closer IMO.

This is true. I agree that it doesn't show off his skill so much but I think it shows his tactical ability pretty well. Black Panther did admit that he couldn't out fight the skrull so he survived long enough to pick up on weaknesses. He figured that the skrull could only use one power at a time and that it had "tells" (such as a subtle shift in weight), and he struck the skrull when it was vulnerable.

I wouldn't say solely due to gear. BP physicals are on par with Slades especially after becoming the Panther God. I would also say his skill is slightly above Slades.

@jashro44: thanks for the context, it's definitely a tactical showing that can be used here.

I'm sure BP is smart enough to notice that as the antimetal claws damage the Nth armor, he'll notice Slade speed and strength may begin to decrease.

@micah: could you comment on my Winter Soldier vs Deadpool thread just search Winter Soldier Vs Deadpool Comicvine on google

I try LOL

@slimj87d: No problem.

@k4tzm4n: Is this current King of the Dead Black Panther?

@hushofthewind said:

Honestly, the only street level I can think of that unarguably takes a majority against Black Panther is Midnighter.

And that's why I sometimes think Midnighter should be considered mid-tier even with his lackluster durability and pure physical strength.

OP says its heart shaped herb T'challa.

Just in regards to this Hickman said the only difference between king of the dead black panther and heart shaped herb black panther, is that king of the dead has more experience (due to being connected to all the past panthers), and he "might be slightly stronger":

Also the OP says its heart shaped herb black panther as well.

@jashro44 dude I haven't talked to you in like forever man we gotta catch up man like forreal I just got back on the vine a couple days ago

@jashro44 said:

@micah said:

For anyone making a case for Black Panther, remember he just had a massive upgrade in the physicals department. I dare say he may be able to outpower Slade.

Just in regards to this Hickman said the only difference between king of the dead black panther and heart shaped herb black panther, is that king of the dead has more experience (due to being connected to all the past panthers), and he "might be slightly stronger":

Also the OP says its heart shaped herb black panther as well.

I just saw that thank you. Thank goodness I made most of my arguments on herb Wakanda LOL.

im pretty sure black panther would wipe the floor with the teen titans so those feats arent really a biggie

BP is superior.

@sasquatch888: No he wouldn't.

Month is almost over. I'm guessing next will be either sidekicks or arch-enemies.

Sure. How have you been?

No problem.

I think Iron Fist takes this.

??

I think you mean "Batman wins".

I've been around man how about you dm me so we can catch up @jashro44