Battle of the Week VOTING: Batman vs. Iron Fist

@k4tzm4n already decided, but you simply don't understand. I'm not being biased in favor of Danny Rand or simply hate Bruce Wayne. In fact I love Batman 100 times more than Iron Fist, but even if that tactical retreat is allowed, Batman is helpless against someone like Iron Fist. Iron Fist has beat superhuman people like Colossus, Nightcrawler and Spider-Man and I'm willing to say that they were pretty much outmatched in those fights. He has took punches that would splatter normal human beings and walked out of it unfazed and even got the upper hand after that. He's a master in the use of chi, and chi can be used to heal himself, strengthen himself, make himself quicker than the eye can follow or simply generate it as a projectile. Back to the original point though: If scaling a building to make distance between yourself and your opponent isn't a tactical retreat, then I would like to know its definition. And since tactical retreats count as a loss, then even that will lead to Bruce Wayne losing, that if he wasn't a pile of human goo before he thinks of scaling this very building we're talking about haha

It would be a very cool fight to watch, but Batman will end up splattered across the street eventually when the force of the blows increases.

Awesome. Thanks! That's pretty much what I thought you meant. Just wanted to verify because of a couple of comments that were made. :)

Ask and you shall receive. It should be noted that for the first couple images he fought simulations of Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Cap. And he took out the Spider-Man simulation by sneak attack. However that speaks volumes for Danny's speed, stealth, and strategy especially once you factor in Spider-Mans spider sense. IMO

He also fought the X-Men and held his own= http://imgur.com/a/D7pX0

Danny should take this

Talking about the feat here has nothing to do with X and everything to do with Rand knowing a variety of martial styles. So no not PIS.

@k4tzm4n:

Thanks for the info. @micah except this time he starts on the streets below while Batman can easily grapple to the rooftops. And cool, Danny fights fast people. Your point? Batman has had plenty of encounters with incredibly fast people such as Deathstroke. And you realize that Batman isn't Spider-man or Wolverine right? Batman could easily throw do a smoke pellet, tear gas, or a sonic batarang and escape Danny. You also realize that Batman has gotten away unnoticed by beings like Superman and Captain Atom. So your point is? I'm not undermining Batman but you seem to be confused about the characters capabilities.

I am sorry, but Batman takes this 6/5. He just does. He has taken down a lot more powerful and skilled Metas in the DCU than Iron Fist, even if most of you think that is unrealistic, its a fact. It won't be easy, Danny is a BEAST, but he will do it. Even Daredevil has held its own against Danny often, so Bats can take him down. He is just too versatile and intelligent. If it were a pure martial arts bout without the batsuit and gadgets Danny would take him, but its not.

This time the Bat has got more than what he can chew sorry iron Fist is a killer an Immortal Weapon in Character he can kill an opponent and people who are saying Batman knows 127 martial arts so he can beat Danny, he has more skill than Danny are you serious the only one I see with Danny level is karate Kid even lady shiva cannot compete they are good martial art practitioner but even at their level they are not good at using their chi this show who is higher in the martial art world ( But don't worry soon DC will start to use the chi for Batman and their other characters after all Batman fought 48 hours without rest if i remember well in a tournament ) and in Kun Lun they learn so many different martial arts (traditional) not modern ok but Danny has been so much into fighting that he knows the modern H2H fight even Black Panther could not compete against him it was even an Iron Fist who was not in control of himself who beat Black Panther for this fight I see Danny take a majority 9/10

Yeah Batman isn't winning this one. Danny's chi is too powerful, versatile and diverse in its usage. His fighting skills are easily comparable to Batman's and he's fast enough to keep up with Batman in a fight no problem. Iron Fist wins almost every time as he's far more likely to be able to KO Batman than Batman can KO Iron Fist.

@amberazanu:

Well Ktzm4n has already confirmed that Bruce is allowed to make such a retreat. I also don't see what counters Danny has for tear gas, knockout gas, sonic batarangs, etc. Using the abc logic that he defeated one being means that he can defeat this being doesn't work. Danny just so happens to have a capability that was useful against his opponents, just like Batman does here.

I like your avatar @k4tzm4n

Also this.

If Batman can top this feat, then I declare Batman the winner :P

And your still overestimating Bats................ Escaping from Superman and Captain Atom is PIS considering their god-like nature, any fan knows this. And if you pay attention to my scans, Danny can just swat any projectile Bats uses back at him with his chi. My point once again is that he's not going to escape from Bats easily. His projectiles are neutralized by Dannys skill and chi, and one connect is all he needs to break Bruce in half. I can't believe you think a smoke pellet will allow him to instantly escape Iron Fist, like he hasn't fought blind before LOL.

@amberazanu: No, Batman can't "top" that in terms of physical feats.

Does he need to in order to win? No.

Except he's done enough similar feats on enough separate occasions, under different writers, for it to be not considered PIS. There is a pattern of consistency there, so it shouldn't be considered PIS.

batman is my favorite hero but I can't lie one on one vs iron fist i think he loses ...remember when batman fought karate kid in that JLA/JSA crossover? he couldnt win ..he admitted he could'nt beat karate kid so despite knowing 127 styles of fighting so there are better hand to hand combatants (i know karate kid is from the future but still) ...black lightning shocked karate kid from behind with an electrical blast and knocked him out ......same situation ...except without black lightning to help in a first encounter batman loses ...if he came back to fight iron fist a second time with prep he might win with some cool weapons and gadgets but he'd need a plan to compensate for iron fists skill set ... my opinion batman losses this iron fist 7/10 times

For those two specific examples it should be PIS. I mean come on, escaping from Captain Atom and Superman without them having a clue were he went!!!!!!!!!! That's insane, their both basically gods.

Batman was speaking on a purely h2h level. He wasn't using any of his gear or tactics that utilize said gear.

It's comic books, my man. Expect the extraordinary.

@micah:

I'm not going to continue any further with this overestimating underestimating thing. Let's just agree to disagree. As for the whole escaping thing Superman and Captain Atom thing, I can name multiple instances where he escapes from beings with enhanced senses like Killer Croc & Man-Bat. Happy? No. His projectiles are not useless. Danny's going to catch multiple exploding batarangs? And do you know what a sonic batarang is? Bruce doesn't even have to hit him with either of these batarangs. What about smoke pellets? You haven't brought up his enhanced senses yet. As far as I'm concerned Bruce can handily escape through the use of smoke pellets.

@hushofthewind: i agree

Votes says it all.

No, he can't. No one is invisible to Iron Fist, he'll see him through the smoke and even if he doesn't he'll still hit him, since he already fought while he was blind.

Danny is at least as good as Batman in terms of skill, if not better. I believe his chi can get through Batman's armor, and Batman won't be expecting it. He can enhance his physical stats, and is faster than Bats in my belief. In his current series he was running across the outside of a skyscraper. He also blew up a helicopter.

He also kicked through a giant tree.

In terms of durability, another guy with chi blasted him into a giant arc way up into the sky and he landed a great distance away, and when he landed he was seemingly fine.

On the other hand I give the tactical skill advantage to Batman, and his tech is more useful here than some are crediting. Sonics and cryo pellets are still useful, and could take him out. And Black Panther was able to avoid Iron Fist's chi-enhanced blows, although Panther himself is enhanced and also has the advantage of knowing Danny's style and abilities. So this is not a stomp by any means.

I give Fist a 5.5-6/10 win due to the near-balance of chi vs tech, with Fist's physical enhancements creating the advantage.

@amberazanu:

Alright so he throws down some tear gas or knockout gas. Or he drops a sonic batarang to shatter Iron Fist ear drums.

I WANT Iron Fist to win, but I'm absolutely torn how either of these contenders could possibly come away with any victory in these conditions.

Given they're pretty even in terms of skill, and Danny is ridiculously powerful at the whole energy projection shtick, I'd say he takes it. I mean, yeah it's a city at night (Batman's element) but as soon as the Bat tried stealth attacks Iron Fist would prolly enhance his senses via Chi. Batarangs are a non-factor, given he can catch bullets which are considerably faster, and he can fight blind so no smoke gas; plus, morals-on Bruce would certainly not go for anything devastating. Honestly I think Bruce's better chances would actually come from engaging Danny in close quarters, directly and quickly, before he felt the need to power himself up, and delivering either a KO hit or a paralyzing strike via gadgets, but that would get old fast. 6/10 wins for IF.

Danny will soon wonder where He gets all those wonderful toys.

here you go marvel fans...

Honestly I can't say who would win here as I don't know much about Danny but I know enough to say that even for Bruce Iron Fist will be more than a match close up. But I also don't really know how much Danny can take in a fight. Batman has matched some of the greatest hand to hand combatants in his universe including Deathstroke, Lady Shiva, and Bronze Tiger and has mentored many others (see: robins). I know Iron Fist can deflect projectiles and I don't know how well he fights in a smoke screen (I have to assume quite well or this match would be a quick one) or with his eyes closed. But Batman is also sneaky and will resort to many different tactics in his environment which I think will be his major edge over Rand. Hand to hand is an uphill battle for Bruce but what happens when he starts using bat grenades and explosive gel to cause cars to go flying into Danny or walls being blown up beside him? One last thing is I don't know how good of a grappler Danny is, so IF Batman can get in close and take the fight to the ground, well, anyone who has watched a tride and true striker fight a BJJ expert on the ground will know the outcome. Either way I voted too close to call because I simply don't know enough about Iron Fist or his feats.

This is a great match-up in my opinion.
Iron fist has the advantage in H2H here, but not by much, but if I were to say who would win, then I would say iron fist in pure H2H, but overall, I can see batman winning, he will probably pull a deadly gadget out of his belt, like sonics, electricity, explosive, tear gas etc etc..... Although I voted ''to close to call'', I'll give batman 6/10, JUST beacause of GADGETS.

I made a previous argument about his enhanced senses earlier. But here's a feat that supports why Bat's won't be able to escape that easily. He defeated Sabretooth while blind as well, he shouldn't have a problem fighting Bruce even if a smoke pellet is in use.

And for the exploding Batarangs, Danny's been able to absorb explosive force from a train with enough explosives to make Hiroshima look like a firecracker and survived as well. I'm pretty sure he can deal with a few explosive Batarangs. His control over his body and his senses will make the sonic batarangs not as effective as they would be, since he's been shown fighting shirtless in environments such as the Arctic. My point being his body can handle enormous amounts of stress and hardship.

Batman dies

Batman is a talented h2h combatant and more times than not he will have the advantage in h2h, unfortunately this is not one of those occasions. Danny was trained in martial arts since he was a child, knows a plethora of different styles (so does bats yes) and has trained to utilize his chi. Danny has punched helecarriers out of the sky, beaten many skilled opponents and koed opponents who are known for their durability. Batman however does have gadgets that can help tip this in his favor, being that he is tactical genius and also highly trained and equipped with a suit that can tank heavy blows this will not be an easy fight. Batman is also more clever than his opponent. That being said Danny is incredibly fast and is a legitimate bullet dodger I don't think Batarangs would cut it, explosives thrown nearby could make a distraction and his grappling hook could be used to give him better leverage but I think Danny has overcome more difficult obstacles. If the fight remains close combat Danny obliterates, but even with all the gadgets Bruce has at his disposal I do not see him taking a majority against the Iron Fist who beats him in strength, speed and skill. Sure Bats has taken on and beaten/stalemated some of the best fighters in DC such as Deathstroke, Catman, Bronze Tiger, Ras etc but Danny has taken on and beaten/stalemated some of the best fighters from the Marvel U and some of the most durable. So IMO (a humble opinion it is) Danny takes this.

-_-

LOL, I suppose.

@micah: Thats a COPY of Spidey though, you can't say that was like Danny ACTUALLY beating Spider-man, his power literally hard counters Iron Fist. So I don't really think the claim "he can keep up with Spider-man" is admissible here

@sasquatch888: Oh come on man, You think Danny could take Karate Kid? isn't he supposed to be in a whole other league than any other hand to hand combatant? and with that in mind BATMAN HUNG IN THERE AGAINST HIM! I'm not saying Bats would win here but holy balls, I think you're dismissing him a little quickly

Well it was an exact simulation of Spider-Man, you could probably say the Spider-Sense wasn't up to par, but other than that you can agree that he beat Spider-Man. Plus he held his own against the real Spider-Man several times before.

I felt the need to comment here, smoke pellets won't be useful at all Danny has hit a number of opponent without being able to see them. Sabertooth, Iron Man/War Machine come to mind. Also while Batman is throwing around tear gas, and knockout gas and sonic batarangs Danny is standing there doing the robot? I'm sorry but no, Danny will also be moving to avoid these, and furthermore Danny has immensely impressive tolerance for pain he managed to focus enough chi to heal himself from a bullet to the chest while dying from said bullet. Also his chi actively protects him from poisons such as drugs in his tea for example, he had taken enough poison to kill an ordinary human and it only left him a little drowsy and he still managed to snatch a sniper bullet out of the air with ease. Any and all instances of Batman hiding from Superman are PIS and on top of that the one instance I know of Batman used a gadget to do it, which isn't standard gear for him and isn't available here.

The computer in the Fortress of Solitude has him ranked as a class 15 whereas Batman is only ranked as a class 12.

Fist of iron beats armor of kevlar

Iron Fist for the win.

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/omnicrono/blog/pis-bologna-cheese-if-you-please/84193/

Something you might appreciate regarding the topic of PIS. Feel free to read or disregard. Just throwing it out there.

Thanks for the info, I'll read it :)