Ok, inspired by @banestrokelobogrundybatarrow "CARTOON WAR!", I decided to make a thread where I would put a couple characters from manga or anime together, and you would vote who would win. The winner will be decided by the first 10 votes. The winner of the previous match moves on to the next match Each fight takes place in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber(from DBZ) to be completely fair for either side.
First match:
Oga(he has baby Beel and a flask of milk) - Beelzebub
Rin killed a plague demon the size of a small city and purged the corruption from everyone on the mountain with his flames, without harming them in the process.
@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: Which it utterly meaningless since, by that, you could put a vote on who wins between Batman and God, and most assuredly people would vote Batman anyway despite the fact God could remove his existence.
@nerx: Rin is pretty strong. He lifted the back of a car for someone who had a flat tire when he was just a kid. He stopped Kuro's rampage with a headbutt. Kuro being a giant two-tailed cat demon. Rin has been knocked through dozens of trees and boulders by Amaimon the Earth King, and still got right back into the fight.
Amaimon is one of the toughest demons out there as one of Satan's seven children, though the topmost one below Satan himself is, of course, Sir Mephisto Pheles (aka Mephistopheles), and he seems to be doing everything he can to prep Rin and co to take on his daddy, since Mephisto really finds the human world rather interesting. He's also an otaku.
@nerx: @reikai: @the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: Rin took out the Plague demon with help, Knowing its weakness, and in all honesty would have gotten stomped it if wasn't for the fire.
Oga is a certified Building buster, tanks hit on a small house level scale, and if you touch Furichi, "death shall come for thy. upon his horse of black, and his brothers shall bow."
Side note, Pheles solos- LOOK AT THAT SH**, HE DEFLECTED IT AS A COACHROACH!
@the_pain: Fully fused, they are one person, he has Beels mind, but it is still his body channeling Beels Powers. i Don't see why, no that he even needs to go full fused, 150 cc ought to do it.
I haven't seen Oga knock down any buildings. Punch through a wall? Sure. Knock down a building? Dun think so. Not unless someone can show him doin that. Far as I know, Rin has been hit harder than Oga ever has, and tanked it pretty well.
As for the event with the Impure King (plague demon), Rin didn't really have help. Everyone else was fighting other things, and Bon was losing consciousness. All Bon did was try to keep a barrier up to prevent the miasma from spreading, eventually failing and it came upon Rin to man up and save everyone. It did require summoning a fire deity, who loaded the spell right into Rin's brains as he couldn't act or stop the plague demon without Rin chanting the mantra. And since it was put right into Rin's mind, he'd be able to use it at any time he needs to.
Rin's blue flames and using the sutra of Kanshou Zanmai vaporized the Impure King, who'd taken on the form of a city atop the mountain, and extended the flames all the way down to the mountain's base, burning away only the Impure King's spores and the demonic bacteria infecting everyone. Which was only done with Rin in full control and burning only what he wanted to burn. Had he gone out of control, the entire mountain would have a scorched crater in it and everyone would've been turned to ashes.
Gallery
Far as I can see, Rin is a lot more powerful than Oga is.
and to finish it off, this is what he will do to Rin
Gallery
Rin didn't really have help. Everyone else was fighting other things, and Bon was losing consciousness. All Bon did was try to keep a barrier up to prevent the miasma from spreading, eventually failing and it came upon Rin to man up and save everyone. It did require summoning a fire deity, who loaded the spell right into Rin's brains as he couldn't act or stop the plague demon without Rin chanting the mantra. And since it was put right into Rin's mind, he'd be able to use it at any time he needs to.
Rin's blue flames and using the sutra of Kanshou Zanmai vaporized the Impure King, who'd taken on the form of a city atop the mountain, and extended the flames all the way down to the mountain's base, burning away only the Impure King's spores and the demonic bacteria infecting everyone. Which was only done with Rin in full control and burning only what he wantedto burn. Had he gone out of control, the entire mountain would have a scorched crater in it and everyone would've been turned to ashes.
This is wrong on so many levels
1. Rin had TONS of help, he would't have made it to the impure kings Core if not for his teammates.
2. Everyone else was stopping the spread, save His brother.
3. BON was the one who summoned the fire deity, something only he could do, it amped Rins flame to the point of taking out the Impure King, since you just said it required the fire deity to Work, it contradicts you saying Rin didn't have help. seeing as he needs Bon to summon it.
4. The only reason ANY of this worked, is because fire was the things weakness. and only weakness, its like saying you beat Smallville Clark Kent with Krypotonite radiating from you, without it you would have been smashed like a can in redneck country. Likewise, without His friends, Rin would have been Crushed by the Impure King.
So. We done here? it just gonna be a repeat of his first fight with whats-his-name-green-haired-one-horn-guy.
1. Rin had TONS of help, he would't have made it to the impure kings Core if not for his teammates.
Irrelevant. This was only because he, at the time, was so afraid of using his powers that he Couldn't use them. Also because Mephisto Pheles locked him inside a magical construct that was impossible to escape from from the inside.
2. Everyone else was stopping the spread, save His brother.
They were trying to stop the spread. The only one who did the most work besides Rin was Suguro (aka Bon) by creating a barrier to contain it using a contract with a flame deity.
3. BON was the one who summoned the fire deity, something only he could do, it amped Rins flame to the point of taking out the Impure King, since you just said it required the fire deity to Work, it contradicts you saying Rin didn't have help. seeing as he needs Bon to summon it.
Incorrect. Also, Bon only called forth one of them. The greater one was summoned by each of the family heads to help them fight off the spread of corruption. Ucchusma was summoned by the other priests, who then ditched them and went to Rin since Rin was the only one with the power to purge the Impure King. However, Ucchusma can't do anything on his own, he needed a conduit. Thus he taught Rin the Mantra and Sutra needed to use his power.
All that is required to summon Ucchusma is, of course, the Mantra. Which had been given to Rin, directly into his mind.
4. The only reason ANY of this worked, is because fire was the things weakness. and only weakness, its like saying you beat Smallville Clark Kent with Krypotonite radiating from you, without it you would have been smashed like a can in redneck country. Likewise, without His friends, Rin would have been Crushed by the Impure King.
However, Ucchusma referred to Rin's flames not as "Satan's Flames" but "the Flames of God". Regardless, Rin's powers have worked on pretty much everything and demon that comes about, despite whether or not it's weak to it because the blue flames can burn anything.
Despite any of that, the range Rin covered is vastly greater than just wrecking the top section of an office building. Hell, Susanoo Souichiro pretty much did that just putting his foot down in Tenjou Tenge.
In the end, Ucchusma states that Rin can scorch the entire mountain (and basically didn't care if he killed everyone in the process so long as the Impure King was destroyed). So, all I've seen from Oga is busting the top portion of a building, as opposed to Rin who can vape a mountain.
Oh and I think you forget that later Sir Angel kills a demon equal to the Impure King with one move using his magic sword. And Rin finishes off the giant Kraken once all the doppelgangers had been defeated, several of which he cut right through from a distance.
Rin has better feats and the series isn't even over yet. Besides, Rin was taking harder hits from Amaimon earlier on than Oga could dish out.
@reikai: Sigh, once again, he is not taking thousands of Building Busters in a single instant, He does not have Greater feats, he has LESS and at most EQUAL Feats to Oga. Who is VASTLY Faster. and VASTLY more skilled. Amaimon was handing Rin his ass, don't try to downplay it. only reason he didn't kill him was because Pheles stepped in. Based on Showings Amaimon is a little bit weaker than Oga. Refer to the Multiple Building Bust Above. Now multiply that By 1000, and make it instant. Enjoy Rin Stew.
@funsiized: And I'm not seeing "thousands of building busters" going on. I'm seeing one attack that didn't even destroy the entire building, just the top part of it. And Amaimon was beating an inexperienced Rin who still had no control of his flames. Until Rin started raging on him and it got to the point Amaimon tried to run away.
I don't even count the 2nd fight in the anime, because most of the anime is pretty much non-canon to the manga. And that fight Rin just stomped Amaimon and scorched him to ashes. Hate when some animes go off the manga story and then end it prematurely. Like they did with Claymore. Which was damn near perfect, until the last 2 episodes where they fudged it.
@reikai: The Last scans in my post, where an uncontrolled, unrefined, Zebul Blast from Beel Getting Excited, Oga has near mastery of Beels Power, So the Blast are easily Replicatable, Multiply that by the third row of scans, you see the Zebul Emblems? and BAM 1000 of simultaneous building busters.
@funsiized: From the look of it it would take all of those Emblem releases to destroy that one office building. But again, the Impure King took on the form of a small city. Which is multiple buildings and constructs, and vaping a mountain is still more impressive than breaking even one building.
C'mon, Rin vaped that Kraken which is the size of a house, which also dealt a fatal wound to the local sea god, which had the form of a large whale.
Would be easier if the series would come out faster and we get to the end. Already get that Rin and Yukio will end up stronger than Sir Angel (who is a total prick), which means taking out Impure King level demons with hardly any effort and dropping Amaimon like a stone in the river as Amaimon is, from what I remember, the weakest of Satan's seven kids. Which means we still have another five to get through with Mephisto at the top of the bunch, and he can manipulate Time to a degree. Like when he stopped time in a large around around the artificial Gehenna Gate.
@reikai: The top of the office building was simply a small after shock resulting from the initial explosion. look at it, it would have blatantly wiped the building from existence, the only reason it hit though was for plot. Once again, those were untrained zebul emblems, multitudes, literally Beel was playing around. i am talking about the punch that wiped the school in the bottom of my post, now, multiply that times the amount of zebul emblems in the third row. and TELL me Rin is Tanking that. also, he isn't using the impure king attack again as the spirit has left.
Yes, im watching as the manga updates though at the moment it is kinda stale, and god i wish they fixed Claymores ending, but sadly, they shall probably not. but for now, we go with what we got, and what we got, isn't enough to take Oga down.
Destruction-Even-Oga Showed Building Level Destruction on multiple occasions, While Ichigo showed the ability to Destroy that Stand thingy that was holding Rukia and stop that one God Zanpaktou thingy. Also upon Learning Getsuga Tenshou, Gained block Level Destruction.
Speed-Ichigo-No doubt in my mind, Oga has shown some mad speed and even at full fusion between him and beel it would barely rank at a noobs Flashstep(Looking at you matsumoto), Byakuya would run circles around him, and Ichigo ran circles around him(Literally)
Skill-Even as all hell- Oga is unparalled in street fights and has beat many skilled Demons as well, Hecaros, Behemoth, Jagger, etc. and Ichigo has beat many skilled individuals as well, Byakuya, Renji, 3 vice Captains at once with no sword etc.
Pure Strength-Ichigo- Yeah he can wreck some things with Beel on his back, But he Cracks stone alone. Ichigo Was overpowering the Giant(Jidanbo?) with little to no effort.
So, even amped, Oga will go down. Not as Hard. in fact it will be a long and tired fight. but i believe Ichigo's speed will win it out for him.
Ichigo wins. He is surely high-subsonic/low supersonic, his zampakuto( the sword) can block anything the opponent can dish out, he can use bankai and project block level+ energy attacs.
He has avoided 100000+ blades going faster than human sight can register, he can casually stop an attack made with the stringest weapon of his verse.
Maybe the raw durability is not equal, but ichigo takes this 7/10.
Ichigo wins. He is surely high-subsonic/low supersonic, his zampakuto( the sword) can block anything the opponent can dish out, he can use bankai and project block level+ energy attacs.
He has avoided 100000+ blades going faster than human sight can register, he can casually stop an attack made with the stringest weapon of his verse.
Maybe the raw durability is not equal, but ichigo takes this 7/10.
Ichigo is much faster than supersonic. He's like hypersonic.
@omgomgwtfwtf: we're using soul society saga, and i was talking about no-bankai ichigo, i do believe bankai ichigo is high supersonic/low hipersonic and full hollow is hypersonic+
@omgomgwtfwtf: we're using soul society saga, and i was talking about no-bankai ichigo, i do believe bankai ichigo is high supersonic/low hipersonic and full hollow is hypersonic+
Oh my mistake then.
Also Ichigo was already low hypersonic during his second encounter with Grimmjow. Grimmjow showed casual supersonic speeds during their first battle in the town. Second battle with Grimmjow, Ichigo with mask was able to completely disappear from his eye view and their whole fight was supposedly only 13 seconds because he could only wear his mask for that long.
Log in to comment