Dick Grayson AKA Nightwing is the original Robin. Bruce Wayne's first son, and still his best by far. He is the only possible successor of the Batman, for the fact that he's the only one to inherit Bruce's unyielding will for justice.
Ben Grimm AKA The Thing is a founding member of the Fantastic Four, and despite his monstrous appearance, can best be described as the heart of the team (whereas Reed is the brain, Johnny is the soul, Sue is the a$$).
Who among these two is the ultimate Determinator?
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