@james_lockart:
Batman and Spectre have crossed paths before.
Once Spectre came to judge Batman. Batman managed to convince him to not do so.
There were other encounters.
You're assuming that it happened one time and after that it just stopped happening.
It stops being PIS once it keeps on happening.
Here is Swamp Thing, another powerful elemental above Voldy's pay grade, and Batman. In case you're curious.
Sure they've crossed paths. But everyone on this site agrees with me: Batman kicking Spectre in the face is 100% PIS. So what if he convinced him? That's not a battle feat.
Do I care if Batman met with Swamp thing? Batman couldn't kill Swamp thing because Swamp Thing has been put up against entire universes. Batman stands no chance.
Voldy's Sanke has about as much chance as this Shark.
Voldemort can transfigure things into fiery snakes. If Batman jumped on a fiery snake he'd be burnt to a crisp, so would his chains. Seriously, learn Harry Potter.
But we'll leave the killing of the snake aside.
Because the OP says one-on-one.
If allowed backup then Voldy will be gone in a nanosecond.
DCU has far better backup than Rowlingverse.
Technically, it's not backup. The Fiery Snake submits to Voldemort, is under the control of Voldemort's magic. So technically, he's still fighting Voldemort.
Actually it's a pretty good logic since Batman vs. Voldy has not happened yet.
We have to consider previous experience, feats, and stuff, right?
Yeah, let's consider people who are completely different then Voldemort, don't have any of his abilities or things of the such..
Alright, let me put aside your pitiful batman-is-god arguments for a moment. In all honesty, if Batman tries those tactics he's going to die. If he stops to talk to Voldemort then Voldemort will simply kill him. Voldemort can simply erase his memories.
Let's go through what Voldemort CAN and WILL do to Batman.
Snape mentions Voldemort being extremely skilled at it:
Snape looked back at him for a moment and then said contemptuously, 'Surely even you could have worked that out by now, Potter? The Dark Lord is highly skilled at Legilimency --'
'What's that? Sir?'
'It is the ability to extract feelings and memories from another person's mind--'
'He can read minds?' said Harry quickly, his worst fears confirmed.
'You have no subtlety, Potter,' said Snape, his dark eyes glittering. 'You do not understand fine distinctions. It is one of the shortcomings that makes you such a lamentable potion-maker.'
Snape paused for a moment, apparently to savour the pleasure of insulting Harry, before continuing.
'Only Muggles talk of "mind-reading". The mind is not a book, to be opened at will and examined at leisure. Thoughts are not etched on the inside of skulls, to be perused by any invader, the mind is a complex and many-layered thing, Potter-- or at least, most minds are.' He smirked. 'It is true, however, that those who have mastered Legilimency are able, under certain conditions, to delve into the minds of their victims and to interpret their findings correctly. The Dark Lord, for instance, almost always knows when somebody is lying to him.
-Taken from: Chapter 24, Occlumency, Harry Potter and the order of the phoenix.
So, he can extract memories and feelings from the mind. What does extract me?
Definition of Extract
Remove or take out, esp. by effort or force. -Taken from Google.com.
So, he can wipe Batman's memory, right? Your argument will be "Well, well this doesn't mean he can invade Batman's mind! Speculation!"
Well, I don't like that argument. So let's hit the mega-center of where it says Voldemort CAN invade, control, and take the mind without a spell and with Legilimency.
I looked in the books and got something just for you, Mr Lockart.
- Severus Snape: "It appears there is a connection between the Dark Lord's mind and your own. Whether or not he is aware of this connection is for the moment unclear. Pray he remains ignorant."
- Harry Potter: "You mean if he knows about it, then he'll be able to read my mind?"
- Severus Snape: "Read it, control it, unhinge it. In the past it was often the Dark Lord's pleasure to invade the minds of his victims, creating visions designed to torture them into madness. Only after extracting the last exquisite ounce of agony, only when he had them literally begging for death would he finally...kill them."
- -Taken from: Chapter 24, Occlumency, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
- Now, let's get through this.
- "Read it, control it, unhinge it" - Snape, Taken from Chapter 24, Occlumency, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
- Now, it does validly mention that there is a special connection, which one can factually assume only Harry is subjected to his mind being taken over. Right? Yeah, wrong.
- Snape has something else to say.
- " In the past it was often the Dark Lord's pleasure to invade the minds of his victims, creating visions designed to torture them into madness. Only after extracting the last exquisite ounce of agony, only when he had them literally begging for death would he finally...kill them." -Taken from: Chapter 24, Occlumency, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
- Wait, so did he have a connection with his victims? Harry is the ONLY person in the Rowlingverse that he had a mental link with, yet he invaded the minds, controlled the minds and unhinged the minds of many victims before Harry.
- If Batman tries what he did with Le faye, his memory is getting wiped. Period. A spell is not needed.
Here's Batman vs. Darkseid, who is above everyone's pay grade in Rowlingverse.
Let me tell ya' a little something about that scan. I read Infinite Crisis and all that jazz, etc etc and etc. Guess what? Darkseid was in his most severely weakened state in that Final Crisis. Very, very weakened. Show me him killing Soulfire Darkseid or Pre-crisis Darkseid, then we'll talk. Darkseid was VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY weakened. Pre-Crisis and behind could have all ripped out Batman's ribs. Soulfire would destroy him with a thought. So, don't get it twisted. Darkseid was weakened and you know it.When did he do that in the books?
I showed you. It's obvious you havn't read the books because if you did you'd know Voldemort has the ability to do all kinds of things to ones mind. "Oh, OH, HE DIDN'T DO IT IN BATTLE SO HE WON'T DO IT HERE"
Wrong. It's a feat, it's a viable option in battle.
Voldy has failed with the the Killing Curse before. He tried killing Harry with it in the Battle of the Department of Mysteries but Dumbledore animated statues that came in the way. The curse was stopped dead in it's tracks (Order of the Phoenix, Ch. 36).
No need to remind me. I'm aware he has failed with the Killing Curse. It's not his only spell, though. He has many others. Many, many, many others.
Yeah Voldy is different from Dracula and Darkseid.
Yet, Voldemort would destroy Dracula. Again, Darkseid was weakened. It's a feat for Batman but Darkseid was weakened and Batman was still hit with Omega beams. Crisis Darkseid's beams have been dodged, slapped around, redirected. I mean, he was WEAKENED. Get that?
Voldy is less iconic than Dracula.
This is your opinion.
And infinitely less powerful than Darkseid.
I know this. But this isn't Darkseid vs Voldemort, it's Voldemort vs Superman.
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