Batman vs. Mysterio

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#1 Posted by Ultimate_Riddler (288 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Round 1: Random encounter in a bank at midnight. Both have standard equipment and neither was expecting the other, nor do they know who the other is let alone what they are capable of.

Round 2: Mysterio has had months to prepare a trap for Batman, eventually luring the dark knight to a warehouse. Batman does not know who Mysterio is and is actually expecting Scarecrow to be there. Mysterio has taken the months of prep to study Batman and his standard gear, knowing Batman has gas masks and the like.

Who wins and why? The World's Greatest Detective or The Master of Illusion?

#2 Posted by CalebHara (1971 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Round 1: Batman, deceptions and theatricality wont fool him, and as soon as Batman is within range, he should be able to take down mysterio without too much of a problem.

Round 2: Mysterio. Mysterio is no fool, and with a full month? he should be able to pull off a win.

#3 Posted by RobocopSlayerT800 (2345 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Batman both rounds.

#4 Posted by Ultra_Girl_ (1059 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@RobocopSlayerT800:

#5 Posted by RobocopSlayerT800 (2345 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Ultra_Girl_

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#6 Posted by Joygirl (6099 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Batman. Mysterio's powerset is like "Batman please come beat me".

#7 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (3283 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

Batman. Mysterio's powerset is like "Batman please come beat me".

well not really. He was able to make a robot to fight Mr. negative and the whole point was to explode and kill him(it did not work due to Negative's durability).

He looses round 1, but round 2 has a Scarecrow android do the same thing it did to Negative.

#8 Posted by Joygirl (6099 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

You know who loves killing androids...? Guess. Ah, I'll just tell you. ... Batman. Batman does.

#9 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (2711 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Mysterio both rounds.

#10 Posted by Ultra_Girl_ (1059 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

Mysterio both rounds.

Why does he win the first one?

#11 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (2711 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Ultra_Girl_: Mysterio's holograms, hallucinogenic gas, and standard equipment would be too much for Batman in my opinion. Batman wouldn't know what's happening before it's too late.

#12 Posted by Ultra_Girl_ (1059 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf:You really think so?

I mean people are saying The Batman will figure how the illusions easily,

#13 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (2711 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Ultra_Girl_: I think people really underrate Mysterio because he's a Spider-man villain and looks kind of silly. But he is actually pretty beastly, he has tricked Spider-man many times, despite Spider-man knowing of his abilities. Batman has no prior knowledge and doesn't have a spider-sense to know the difference between what is real and what is not. Mysterio's gases would help a lot, making Batman hallucinate. By the time Batman figures out what is happening it would be too late.

#14 Posted by ALdragon17 (122 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Agh, I love trolls to get a response out of me. Let's look at the facts Joker, Riddler, and Scare Crow are at the top of their game, big time. Still, Batman give them a up side down beat down. Batman takes, for one Joker is too un stable and come up of plans out of no where.

#15 Posted by Ultra_Girl_ (1059 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf:Those are some pretty good reasons, thanks for telling them now I think Mysterio can win round 1 too!

:D

#16 Posted by Ultimate_Riddler (288 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@RobocopSlayerT800 said:

Batman both rounds.

@Joygirl said:

Batman. Mysterio's powerset is like "Batman please come beat me".

Why?

@ALdragon17 said:

Agh, I love trolls to get a response out of me. Let's look at the facts Joker, Riddler, and Scare Crow are at the top of their game, big time. Still, Batman give them a up side down beat down. Batman takes, for one Joker is too un stable and come up of plans out of no where.

What are you talking about?

#17 Posted by jackofspades (1839 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@CalebHara said:

Round 1: Batman, deceptions and theatricality wont fool him, and as soon as Batman is within range, he should be able to take down mysterio without too much of a problem.

Round 2: Mysterio. Mysterio is no fool, and with a full month? he should be able to pull off a win.

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#18 Posted by renobjc (105 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@CalebHara said:

Round 1: Batman, deceptions and theatricality wont fool him, and as soon as Batman is within range, he should be able to take down mysterio without too much of a problem.

Round 2: Mysterio. Mysterio is no fool, and with a full month? he should be able to pull off a win.

You bring up very good points especially in the second round.

Unfortunately, I still disagree with you in the second round. I think Batman can pull the win. Batman is extremely intelligent (genius level intellect) and one of DC's best strategists. He's also shown that he can adapt to so many different situations due to his plethora of gadgets in his belt and his backpockets.

Batman is also fairly resistant to hallucinogens (fear gas, etc) and other illusion-based attacks which, in this case, resembles Scarecrow.

#19 Posted by Alexander505 (1493 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Batman both rounds.

#20 Posted by xlab3000 (958 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Batman

#21 Posted by Captain_Awesome85 (452 posts) - 4 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Batman both rounds, first round he would stomp

#22 Posted by Ultimate_Riddler (288 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Bump.

#23 Posted by Decoy Elite (28581 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Mysterio might just win both rounds.  
Without knowledge of what he's capable of, he could take Batman completely off guard, but he probably would most likely lose. 
With prep he murders Batman, he's not obsessive about Batman like many Bat villains, and he's made multiple traps that Spider-Man(who has better stats and actually knows Mysterio well) barely was able to escape.

#24 Posted by NeonGameWave (5107 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Round 1: Batman`s experience in fighting Scarecrow and Mad Hatter should help him against Mysterio`s tricks

Round 2: Mysterio due to the fact that he is more prepared

#25 Posted by Ultimate_Riddler (288 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Does anyone have some good feats for Mysterio to share? Me thinks some people are seriously underrating him here.

#26 Posted by Decoy Elite (28581 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio
@Ultimate_Riddler said:

Does anyone have some good feats for Mysterio to share? Me thinks some people are seriously underrating him here.

I have no scans, but I remember that time he made a giant version robot of himself to convince Spider-Man that he'd been shrunk by some gadget. 
My point being that unlike Scarecrow, many of Mysterio's "illusions" are physical props that could easily kill someone.
#27 Posted by Ultra_Girl_ (1059 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Scarcrow uses more fear gas than actual deadly traps compared to Mysterio.

#28 Posted by lilben42 (1068 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave: Batman gets out of Jokers traps all the time. Why not Mysterio.

#29 Posted by NeonGameWave (5107 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@lilben42: Because he has no knowledge or prep, and Mysterio`s traps are not the same as Joker`s. Batman is not going to know what to expect and Mysterio is an completely new threat to him.

#30 Posted by lilben42 (1068 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Batman deals with Scarecrows fear gas before and Batman can get out of any trap.

#31 Posted by CalebHara (1971 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite: Im sorry, but there is no way that Mysterio can win the first round. Batman outclasses him in almost every way possible. As for round 2, i agree with you, but i don't think he gets "murdered" in almost all cases i have seen, Spiderman doesn't get out of Mysterio's traps by using his Superhuman stats. He gets out of them by outsmarting Mysterio strategically and using the skills that an escape artist would use. Batman greatly outclasses Batman in both of these areas.

With a full freaking month, yes he could pull off a win. But in a random encounter, he gets beaten, Badly.

#32 Posted by Decoy Elite (28581 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio
@CalebHara: I think Mysterio stands a chance thanks to massive amounts of misdirection. But I agree he most likely loses. 
Spider-Man does need his physical stats to beat some of Mysterio's traps, such as using his spider sense to dodge lasers and his physical stats to rip apart Mysterio's robots(which Batman would not be able to do). 
#33 Posted by jashro44 (9221 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@Ultimate_Riddler said:

Does anyone have some good feats for Mysterio to share? Me thinks some people are seriously underrating him here.

I like this showing.

@lilben42 said:

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Batman deals with Scarecrows fear gas before and Batman can get out of any trap.

I haven't read your scans yet but is scarecrows fear toxin similar to mysterios illusions?

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#34 Posted by Ultimate_Riddler (288 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@jashro44: Nice! I like those scans. I also recall hearing about a story where Mysterio convinced Daredevil that a baby was the Anti-Christ, almost resulting in that infant's death. His hallucinogens are trippy from what I've heard, but I would love it if someone had scans of that.

#35 Posted by CalebHara (1971 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite: Sorry that i might have sounded a bit arrogant in my last post, i just see no way of Mysterio beating Bruce in that round. As for round 2, like i said, Mysterio can pull off the win. No, Batman cant dodge lasers, but because of his strategical genius, and the fact that he is one of the best escape artists in the DC universe, i doubt he would be put in a position like that in the first place. As for tearing robots apart due to physical strength, its also something Batman cant do. However, he has several other methods of dealing with robots and androids. He has taken down an android infused with the powers of all of the members of the JLA, which seems to be much more powerful than anything that Mysterio has ever constructed.

#36 Posted by jashro44 (9221 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@Ultimate_Riddler said:

@jashro44: Nice! I like those scans. I also recall hearing about a story where Mysterio convinced Daredevil that a baby was the Anti-Christ, almost resulting in that infant's death. His hallucinogens are trippy from what I've heard, but I would love it if someone had scans of that.

Unfortunately I do not have scans of that. All though that does sound awesome.

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#37 Posted by Decoy Elite (28581 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio
@CalebHara: Using illusions to distract Batman while he attacks from an unlikely angle. Don't think it'd likely work, thus why I said I agreed that he'd lose. 
Keep in mind for round 2 that he thinks he'll be dealing with Scarecrow, which means he has no reason to bring in the big guns. Thus the robots and such will be effective. 
#38 Edited by lilben42 (1068 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Hollograms are nothing to Batman he knows all about them.

#39 Posted by CalebHara (1971 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite: Batman normally takes down large robots with a combination of explosives, sonics, magnets, grapples, identifying structural weaknesses, and nanobot technology. All of these things are standard gear for Batman. But, like i agreed with you before, he loses in round 2.

#40 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (2711 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@jashro44: Batman has an antidote to Scarecrow's fear toxin. He doesn't have one for Mysterio. It would still affect him like anyone else.

@lilben42: Yes because Batman would really be that close to Mysterio in order to pick up his scent lmao. Mysterio would have dozens of holograms running around and would most likely change the environment through illusions. The scope of Mysterio's illusions far eclipses Riddler's one hologram. Not to mention, Batman has prior knowledge of Riddler and his schemes (having fought him numerous times and Riddler giving clues away). He has no knowledge of Mysterio or his powers. So to simply think he would see through the illusions on first glance, let alone first smell, would be erroneous.

#41 Posted by lilben42 (1068 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@jashro44: Kind of, whats mysterios gas like.

#42 Posted by lilben42 (1068 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave: Batman just needs a few minutes with Mysterio then he can beat him. Prep? Batman can make a plan to take down an enemy without it and can also predict movements. Mysterio is outclassed here. The Riddler, Bane, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze and The Joker all have prep but they still lose against Batman. Mysterio would be no different. Tje Joker is unpredictable and deadlier so his traps are better than most.

#43 Posted by dondave (7556 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Batman Round 1

Mysterio Round 2

#44 Posted by jashro44 (9221 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@lilben42: I suppose his gas might be a hallucinogen so its similar all though if batman has an antidote for scarecrows gas then I don't see it as the same thing. All though Mysterio has other stuff like holograms, gas which makes him hard to detect (Allowed him to land multiple hits on spider-man in his first appearance), etc.

Not saying Mysterio wins round 1 but I don't know if scarecrow is the best comparison.

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#45 Edited by NeonGameWave (5107 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@lilben42: Mysterio is an uncommon enemy and has info on Batman as he is more prepared. The villains you mentioned are formidable but they are enemies of Batman and Batman knows how they operate regardless of the situation involving prep. Mysterio`s techniques are different than Joker`s and Mysterio has several months of prep to prepare the trap which is a clear difference. In round 2, Batman thinks Mysterio`s trap will be Scarecrow`s so how is he going to know how to deal with Mysterio? An individual who`s he never faced before.

#46 Posted by Ultimate_Riddler (288 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@lilben42 said:

@NeonGameWave: Batman just needs a few minutes with Mysterio then he can beat him. Prep? Batman can make a plan to take down an enemy without it and can also predict movements. Mysterio is outclassed here. The Riddler, Bane, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze and The Joker all have prep but they still lose against Batman. Mysterio would be no different. Tje Joker is unpredictable and deadlier so his traps are better than most.

Bane has broken Batman's spine. Joker hasn't killed Batman, but he has ruined and taken countless lives that Batman failed to prevent, and he has never beaten me without cheating!

#47 Posted by lilben42 (1068 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Never said on first glance but you underestimate Batmans intelligence. Batman would figure out his powers in minutes.

#48 Posted by lilben42 (1068 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@Ultimate_Riddler: True, but like I said Joker is unpredictable and deadlier than Mysterio. Unless you consider Mysterio in Banes class. Bane did beat Batman then Batman beat up Bane. Joker has gotten away from Batman and injured his friends and Batman. Joker has still never beaten Batman as far as I can remember.

#49 Posted by TheJester (96 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Round 1: Batman takes this 6/10 times. I think Mysterio could get a couple good tricks past him, but he'll get found out, and'll have his fishbowl shattered.

Round 2: This is Mysterio's playing field. He has even more of an upper hand if Batman thinks Scarecrow will be there. Bats'll pump himself with antidote to Scarecrow's gases, which will make the illusions much more likely in Batman's eyes. Sure, he'll figure it out after a while, but by then, Mysterio will have to much of an advantage. Mysterio takes this 8/10 times.

#50 Posted by sandiego008 (3214 posts) - 4 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

Bat folks gonna hate this .. but mysterio both rounds. Unfortunately for batman he pretty much sucks ass w/o prep and he gets no prep in this scenario against an illusionist who fights w/o prep decently toe to toe vs. spiderman ... batman is straight screwed.

With bat-prep this battle is a total different beast.

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