Batman vs Flash (Read)

Both have 2 days prep

Pre and New 52 feats

Both have Morals on

Batman's suit has unlimited charge

Fight till KO or Surrender

Fight takes place in Metropolis streets at night

Who wins

Flash can speed rush?

New 52 Flash vs Insider Batman?

Batman should stomp.

Pre and New 52 feats count

Flash, then.

Care to explain?

Barry destroys Bruce. A day of prep isn't gonna do anything here.

Insider has access to speed force as well. Means Batman has access to it. He cuts Barry's access to it.

@rbt said:

Scans of Batman doing this?

This has been done before(not by Batman though). But here, Batman has access to the very same thing which gives Flash his power. Don't you think he would be able to do this?

No he doesn't. IIRC, the insider only taps into abo 40% of the speed force.

Flash dominates.

Not really, Barry Allen is the source of the speed force, he created it, he's the embodiment of it.

Also, only person to successfully cut the speed force out of any Flash was the Reverse Flash.

And you're talking about a herald level character.

The Insider Suit has other abilities don't forget so this is not a stomp on either side.

@ULTRAstarkiller: yes. Yes it is a stomp.

He has about fractions of other powers. Not the totality. Nothing too much for him to handle.

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Batman is so over rates flash wins cause he's WAY TO FAST

Hmm nope, a lot of people have cut off speed force access.

Savitar did it to, like, 3 different Flashes. Wally did it to Jesse Quick. Hell, Hot Pursuit (who is Barry Allen) did it to Barry Allen. Walter West could presumably do it as well, since he was better than Savitar at it. It's been done with time travel (Flashpoint changed history so Wally never got it). Inertia did it to Bart Allen when he was the Flash. Bart and Wally did it to Jay when they dumped off Superboy Prime.

I'm sure there's a couple more times it's happened.

edit: oh right, the Dial from Dial H did it to Barry.

Barry decimates here. Bruce isn't doing anything in that amount of time.

The Insider Suit is one of the most overrated pieces of equipment in comics and anyone who disagrees hasn't read the comics it's featured in.

Flash stomps

Barry would beat Insider Batman even if it was New 52 feats only....god, what a mismatch.

@Dredueced: None of those instances you listed actually cut The Flash's connection to the speed force.

Dial H thing was some weird f*ckery. I just ignore that. Haha.

But the only person to really successfully do it was the Reverse Flash. The rest of them couldn't do it. Savitar could null Thir speed to a degree but it was stated that Wally's direct connection with the speed force was unbreakable. When Savitar tried to steal his speed it didn't work

@Dredueced: and Hot Pursuit couldn't take away his speed. Barry had it back in less than a couple of panels.

Jesse Quick gave too much of her speed to Wally, and she doesn't have a direct line the the Flash.

FUI, I also don't consider the Quicks, and Mercury to be Flashes.

I don't see how you're explaining away Inertia taking it from Bart. Unless you think Bart's tenure as The Flash doesn't count.

Savitar did not "null" their speed. He literally took it away and gave it to his agents -- though I suppose you get by on a technicality because he only did it to Flash-esque people rather than Wally himself, so it didn't happen to THE Flash. I don't get how you explain off how Jay Garrick lost it by Wally and Bart taking it with them. Jay literally said the Speed Force was gone and it's not like you can say "Well Jay Garrick isn't The Flash." on that one.

Dial H may be weird, but it worked.

Flashpoint/Time Screwery took it away from Wally and Barry, plain as day.

Jesse Quick gave too much of her speed to Wally, and she doesn't have a direct line the the Flash.

FUI, I also don't consider the Quicks, and Mercury to be Flashes.

I mean the Jesse thing doesn't really hold up because she spontaneously gets her powers back later, so she clearly wasn't fully severed, just speed stolen so well that she forgot her connection/formula (I believe Wally had to speed steal as I don't think Jesse knew how to lend speed)

I don't get why the Quicks or Mercury don't count. Or Lady Flash when Wally did it to her. Peoples' speed force connection can be severed by someone with superior control + speed steal, with time travel shenanigans and the singular time Inertia did it with a machine.

@Dredueced: in all honesty, I just forgot to address the Bart and Jay instances. Lol. Duty calls.

Anyway, Thaddeus taking from Bart? Come on. That entire series can't be taken seriously at all.

1: Bart was shown to be much faster than Zoom. Idiotic.

2: Zoom was given time travel and the ability to vibrate through walls. Doubly idiotic.

3: Thaddeus is pathetic as a Speedster. He needed a complex machine and a bunch of time to steal the Speed Force, and eben then it was only for a limited time. It was draining continuosly, it didn't cut it off all at once. Hence, the Rogues being used as a distraction.

Now, as per Wally West taking Inertia's speed thus petrifying him, "Inertia is pathetic as a speedster". He was dependent on Velocity 9, the Rivals' old junk. And even then, it was too slow and little of a breif and temporary connection.

As per Jay and Bart's lack of speed during Blitz, Jay said no such thing. He said, "The speed you absorbed from Impulse and me (Garrick's a scientist. Not an English teacher :P) won't be fully replenished for-- could be hours." although they never again showed speed feats again throughout the rest of Blitz, in that sentence it's implied that not all of their connection is gone.

Wally's own speed stealing feats encompass anything ever shown by anyone ever. Even Professor Zoom. I have no idea how Batman, or anyone else for that matter, would actually be successful in absorbing the kinetic energy of all of Planet Earth's people and itself.

I can't even address Dial H. There's just... No. The comic in it's entireity disgusted me. I legitametly held it above the trash can before I changed my mind and put it with my Flash collection.

As per Flashpoint: Professor Zoom.

The Quick's and Mercury don't count to me because... Well, frankly, they're on the lowest end of the Speed Force.

How Mercury all lf a sudden became fast enough to go toe to toe with the Rival, I'll never know.

Also, it isn't "Superior Control + Speed Steal", by past showings, it's more along the lines of "Superior Connection + Superior Control + Speed Steal".

All of which, nobody has more than Wally.

@pokeysteve said:

Could you actually tell me which comics the Insider suit is in? I really want to read them.

It was Bruce Wayne: The Road Home. I think.

Oh sweet, I have those.

@sheenlantern: Wait, sorry. Not Road Home. Return of Bruce Wayne. I'm really glad I checked lol boy would my face have been red. I don't think it's in the main arc though. He uses it to keep tabs on his people so I'm not sure. It's been about a year since I've read it.

@pokeysteve: you where right in the first place it was in Road home but I think in 1 issue of the return of Bruce Wayne the insider appears

@sheenlantern: Disregard my last post hahaha.

YES!! Cause Road Home was the headline of the other characters books that he appeared in. Okay thank you!

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@chucky47:

Barry is the speed force, bats can only access it. Odds are Barry cuts off bats if we're assuming anyone connected to it can cut others off

Only that Barry is not smart enough to think of that. And when has odds been ever been in Batman's favor?

Batman has never shown he can cut anyone off from the speed force. The insider suit has access to a very small portion of the speed force only. Its why it almost lost to the outsiders. Batman can barely access it, I doubt he could cut off the powers of Barry who has full access and is a lot more experienced with the speed force.

I thought all DC speedsters had access to the Speedforce?

Insider suit has access to 40% of speedforce.

40% in not a small portion. Its almost half.

Amazo > Insider suit batman and guess what. Flash beat him. Stole his speed and turned him into a statue. As I recall this Amazo was the one who had the punching power of superman.

Barry wins here 10/10

@heymanjack said:

Amazo > Insider suit batman and guess what. Flash beat him. Stole his speed and turned him into a statue. As I recall this Amazo was the one who had the punching power of superman.

Flash didn't actually win that fight. He just completely removed Amazo's speed so Amazo just sat there picking off JL members while unable to really move until Hal blew a hole in him.

Where does this 40% figure come from?

1: How is it idiotic? Bart had Wally and Barry's speed. Wally was nearly as fast as Zoom with just all of Jesse's speed, even though it wore off. It's consistent to a degree.

2: Irrelevant but iirc Iris picked him up.

3: I don't really care how pathetic Inertia is as a speedster, his showing is more a feat of intelligence and the ability to make a machine with prep than how good of a speedster he is. He made a machine that took all of Bart's speed and Bart died because of it. I don't know why being cut off all at once is a requirement.

I never brought up Wally taking Inertia's speed as Wally cutting off someone's speed force connection. I brought up Inertia only because of what he did to Bart, and I brought up Wally for what he did to Jesse and Lady Flash.

I'm not saying Batman can do it. I specifically believe he cannot, because if he could it would be his contingency plan for Flash.

Dial H was a fine comic. I don't get why you're being so prickly about it, but it happened.

Mercury is not on the lowest end of the Speed Force. Hell he was faster than Wally until Wally learned the Speed Formula and the Kobra thing (he was actually able to keep up with Speed Formula Wally, even though it strained him greatly).

I agree that Wally is the best at speed forcing it up, but my point was you said no one has cut off a Flash from the Speed Force and it has happened a number of times, to every single Flash of the main continuity to ever exist, whether it be because of Savitar, Wally, or Thawne's timeline screwery. In New-52 Dial H did it and it's being very, very heavily hinted that Vibe will be able to do it.

@nickthedevil: He also has strength, invisibility, heat vision and green lantern powers....this is not a stomp at all in anyone's favor.

Guys. The Insider Suit doesn't have access to the Speed Force. It can simulate. And his best speed feat isn't anywhere near any of the Flashes, plus it overloaded and burnt out the Suit. Sheesh.

batman wins with a day of prep.

I'd like to hear your logic here. Thanks in advance.

New 52 Flash sucks

Flash would win. He can prep mid-battle.

Unless, Batman has full knowledge and has some way to counter that ability, I say Flash.

Besides, he only has limited use to the Speed Force (Batman)

@sheenlantern: great arguement