#1 Posted by RedOwl_1 (1664 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure if they would have any reason to fight, but the question intrigues me, because is usually said "Batman can defeat everyone with prep but Batman CAN'T be prepared, because as far as I know isn't much knowledge about the Doctor .

So in a stand alone battle, morals on, random environment, basic equipment:

Who would win? and even more important WHY would ___ win and HOW do you picture it?

#2 Edited by Jodokon (119 posts) - - Show Bio

With the Doctor with prep, he wins,

Without prep, its a stomp or a win with some difficulty in Batman's favor.

#3 Posted by Floopay (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

The Doctor's sonic screwdriver disables all of Batman's equipment, then he safely retreats to his TARDIS, travels 100 years into the future, goes to Batman's grave and says "Ha! I win..."

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#4 Posted by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jodokon said:

With the Doctor with prep, he wins,

Without prep, its a stomp or a win with some difficulty in Batman's favor.

Even without prep the TARDIS is standard gear for the Doctor and without prep Batman cannot break into the TARDIS. So whether its a random encounter or prep included the Doctor will still most likely stomp.

#5 Edited by Jodokon (119 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92:

The Doctor without his Tardis is a win in Batman's favor with difficulty. but I agree with his Tardis its a stomp.

I am not denying it even though I hate the Doctor and his show.

#6 Posted by Strider92 (15262 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jodokon: Yeah the show isn't for everyone. I haven't seen it in a long time. The only episodes I ever saw where from one of the seasons with David Tennant for some reason that guy used to crack me up.

#7 Posted by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone who thinks that Batman has even a remote chance is naive.

#8 Posted by Xanni15 (6756 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wins in a random encounter, The Doctor wouldn't start in the T.A.R.D.I.S, even if he did he usually doesn't check the conditions outside before he leaves so he'd walk right into Bruce waiting outside then try to talk his way out of it. The sonic is a plot device but I don't see it stopping a batarang in mid flight.

As for the Doctor, his morals are on and he never goes into the future or past to kill someone in the present, that's not how he rolls. He's also not protected by the writers in this battle so him just thinking of some random plan within a second while Batman's got a flying kick coming his way won't work.

#9 Edited by Jodokon (119 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pwok21:

If The Doctor isn't inside The Tardis and since this is a random encounter without him starting inside the Tardis, then its Batman.

If he had his morals off, I would be inclined to agree with you.

#10 Posted by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jodokon:

You have to bear in mind that the Doctor is the Master of on the fly situations.

Regardless of Tardis or not he has done insane stuff without it.

#11 Edited by sECUREij (51 posts) - - Show Bio

@pwok21: But the Doctor hasn't faced an opponent like Batman a master of virtually all forms of martial arts, and in peak physical human condition. He's faced monsters, and power houses, and 90% resorts to running away from the enemy until he figures out what's up (pre mofat, I'm not caught up so if I'm mistaken sorry) so if Batman gets in close the doctor is at a massive disadvantage. Especially if the dues ex screwdriver is removed from the equation (via batterang to the wrist or some such nonsense)

#12 Posted by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman turns out to be friends with the Doc, just like Reed Richards (how'd you think Batman got a hold of that Dalek in his Batcave ;) ).

@secureij said:

@pwok21: But the Doctor hasn't faced an opponent like Batman a master of virtually all forms of martial arts, and in peak physical human condition. He's faced monsters, and power houses, and 90% resorts to running away from the enemy until he figures out what's up (pre mofat, I'm not caught up so if I'm mistaken sorry) so if Batman gets in close the doctor is at a massive disadvantage. Especially if the dues ex screwdriver is removed from the equation (via batterang to the wrist or some such nonsense)

Jon Pertwee begs to differ :P

Or Fourth Doctor snaps his neck :P

#13 Posted by patrat18 (6750 posts) - - Show Bio

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#14 Posted by Cjdavis103 (7085 posts) - - Show Bio

The Doctor has In universe plot shields so thick they affect quantum possibility's has a rough idea of the future , and has access to tech that would make reed Richards look like a monkey rubbing sticks together and standard equip he should start near his Tardis and once he is inside his tardis well...... Let me put it like this Batman with a life time of prep could not beat the doctor in his Tardis

Doctor god stomps bats

#15 Posted by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

@cjdavis103: No prep for this, and Doctor has mental blocks he mentions in the show (Time Lord Victorious in Waters of Mars and other places) that he doesn't go straight to playing god (except 7, 7 played god). SO even if prep is given to him, unless OP specifies "morals off," "in top form," "bloodlust," or something like that, he's not going to go completely all out and godstomp people.

#16 Posted by Cjdavis103 (7085 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_imperator: in his Tardis he has access to literal anything he needs he could just tell the Tardis to make him a Batman caching Kit(tm) and poof there it is (journey to the center of the Tardis)

Outside his Tardis his screwdriver disables batman gadgets right off the bat( pun not intended) and while the doctor is not a specaliest at hand to hand he has some good feats for it. not to mention while they are fighting the Doctor is breaking Bruce by talking or distracting him god knows what the doctor will do. and he has In universe plot shields so thick they affect quantum possibility's that is going to factor into this fight some how heck maybe batman slips on a banana peel or something the point is the Doctor has a huge edge in this fight

#17 Edited by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

@cjdavis103: The quantum probability stuff doesn't really factor into short term stuff, unless he does it consciously, which he won't. At best, it'll keep him from being killed in a battle. He can still lose, but he will live to move on another day.

#18 Posted by Cjdavis103 (7085 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_imperator: fair enough

in Tardis Doctor stomps

outside Tardis Doctor can run away till he reach's his Tardis and stomp from there

#19 Posted by Rouflex (12514 posts) - - Show Bio

Doctor Who wins no question about it.

#20 Posted by girugamesh (427 posts) - - Show Bio

As has been said, no prep (and assuming the Tardis isn't right next to the Doctor) then Batman wins.

But with prep? The Doctor can do more in a day than Bats could do in a month.

#21 Edited by beatboks1 (6382 posts) - - Show Bio

I have no idea why anyone thinks the tardis even factors in here. Now granted I haven't watched too much of the Dr Who series of recent years ( Doctors 10 and 11), but i watched a hell of a lot of eps of Doctors 2 through to 7 in series 5 through to 26 of the first run, plus the 8th Docor in the telimovie.

Most of the Doctors stories are told no where near the Tardis.

Fact the Dr knows more h2h combat than batman does. bat's has studied a 127 styles. The Dr has watched every moment in history and witnessed (and by the nature of his memory remembered photographically) every style of combat on every planet throughout all of history. That's what times lords On Gallifray did. They all spent all their time (which as time lords they had plenty) watching every moment in history. The whole reason why the Doctor got exiled was because he got tired of JUST watching after centuries and actually intervened.

Doctor Stomps this. His body is well above that of a peak human. he can sense things on a completely different level. He has withstood many things that would kill a human. He has TP that allows him to enter the memories of others.

He's a better prepper, with more knowledge, a LOT more resources, Is a better combatant and has a better track record of never having lost (not even to Omnipotents)

#22 Posted by JwwProd (7153 posts) - - Show Bio

The Doctor takes this.

#23 Edited by Scoop316 (156 posts) - - Show Bio

Even with random encounter and no prep, Batman still has little chance. Bats is strong, but the Doctor is also well-versed in martial arts, though he rarely shows it, preferring his tech. I don't think he's necessarily stronger than Bats, but he has renowned resistance to electricity, enhanced hearing, can rid his system of toxins. He also has telepathy, as a Time Lord. In short I think The Doctor should win.

#24 Posted by Freddy_Krueger666 (98 posts) - - Show Bio

The Doctor stomps

#25 Edited by hudyman (1628 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1: Your kicking the bucket there by saying he knows all fighting techniques in history. There is nothing to back that up. The doctor may know some venusian karate but he is still no where near batman in terms of combat. Bruce would beat the living timelord out of him. However, the doctors monolouge powers are a stretch through reality, its possible he could talk bruce out of fighting by telling him some important things about time and space.

As for the tardis, have any of you watched the doctor who episodes lately?, he always keeps the shields off, in every situation, the external shields are off. Batman would most likely walk in there and continue to beat the timelord up. It sounds unlawful but im just being realistic. Heck even a batarang could end this entire battle.

The battle is random meaning the doctors time knowledge are completely irrelevant here, he didnt know he would bump into batman therefore there was nothing he could have done to prepare for it.

Just so we're clear, the doctor wins in my opinion but just not the way people are stating it to be.

#26 Edited by dondave (26739 posts) - - Show Bio

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#27 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

DW stomps... HARD.

#28 Posted by Nomar (205 posts) - - Show Bio

I have no idea why anyone thinks the tardis even factors in here. Now granted I haven't watched too much of the Dr Who series of recent years ( Doctors 10 and 11), but i watched a hell of a lot of eps of Doctors 2 through to 7 in series 5 through to 26 of the first run, plus the 8th Docor in the telimovie.

Most of the Doctors stories are told no where near the Tardis.

Fact the Dr knows more h2h combat than batman does. bat's has studied a 127 styles. The Dr has watched every moment in history and witnessed (and by the nature of his memory remembered photographically) every style of combat on every planet throughout all of history. That's what times lords On Gallifray did. They all spent all their time (which as time lords they had plenty) watching every moment in history. The whole reason why the Doctor got exiled was because he got tired of JUST watching after centuries and actually intervened.

Doctor Stomps this. His body is well above that of a peak human. he can sense things on a completely different level. He has withstood many things that would kill a human. He has TP that allows him to enter the memories of others.

He's a better prepper, with more knowledge, a LOT more resources, Is a better combatant and has a better track record of never having lost (not even to Omnipotents)

You don't do your argument much justice when you try to make The Doctor a h2h specialist. All evidence in main canon does not support this. Also watching something doesn't equal knowing something. The Doctor wins this.

#29 Posted by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

@hudyman: When have the shields been off? other than when the Master had them off during Sound of Drums/Utopia/etc., when were they off?

#30 Posted by beatboks1 (6382 posts) - - Show Bio

@hudyman: @nomar: the dr is a h2h specialist. There are over 50 episodes between series 3 and 26 where he demonstrated this. Either by correctly identifies the form of combat used by one race or another in what ever time period after only a few moves or fought using one of using a hand held weapons with perfect technique. There were episodes where the 4th Dr and the 5th actually stated so as well. So there is plenty in canon to back it up, it's obviously not me who doesn't know the Dr. Similarly he knows and can recognize the tech of any race or time period.

And No being a fan of the show and repeatedly watching it since about 1965 does not equal knowing it does it?

His time knowledge is not irrelevant at all. As soon as he sees Batman, in a shared universe he will know everything about him having watched his life unfold. He will know every weapon Bruce carries every nuance of his character and what influences it. These are advantages that Bruce will lack. He will know his MO and how he will likely proceed. The Dr will be prepared for the first moves Bruce might make while Bruce will not

#31 Posted by Nomar (205 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1: He is not a h2h specialist. I have watch the show extensively myself(though my knowledge of the episodes you are referencing is not fresh). Being able to identify something is nothing if you cannot use it in practice. This is the same issue we run into in so many other versus topics. Especially ones with swordsmen for instance. In their universe you have a statement saying X is the greatest swordsman in the land. In practice he is slow and nothing special about him when stacked up against his opponent Y. Heck opponent Y may be considered scrub tier in their universe but since they don't have a text stating they are the best people go with the person that has that text. If you honestly believe The Doctor is a h2h specialist in the same vein as Batman then I'll just leave it at that.

#32 Posted by hudyman (1628 posts) - - Show Bio

@hudyman: When have the shields been off? other than when the Master had them off during Sound of Drums/Utopia/etc., when were they off?

The christmas special, the ice lady casually reaches into the tardis and grabs clara,The pandorica opens, there was even a theory that the tardis only blew up because the shields were off, Voyage of the damned, Stolen earth/Journeys end, and many many more. Really the only thing that stops people from stealing the tardis and going away with it is the lock, all he does is lock the door, nothing else.

@hudyman: @nomar: the dr is a h2h specialist. There are over 50 episodes between series 3 and 26 where he demonstrated this. Either by correctly identifies the form of combat used by one race or another in what ever time period after only a few moves or fought using one of using a hand held weapons with perfect technique. There were episodes where the 4th Dr and the 5th actually stated so as well. So there is plenty in canon to back it up, it's obviously not me who doesn't know the Dr. Similarly he knows and can recognize the tech of any race or time period.

And No being a fan of the show and repeatedly watching it since about 1965 does not equal knowing it does it?

His time knowledge is not irrelevant at all. As soon as he sees Batman, in a shared universe he will know everything about him having watched his life unfold. He will know every weapon Bruce carries every nuance of his character and what influences it. These are advantages that Bruce will lack. He will know his MO and how he will likely proceed. The Dr will be prepared for the first moves Bruce might make while Bruce will not

The doctor is not a h2h specialist, not even close, knowing one type of fighting style doesnt make you a h2h specialist. If he was one, there are dozens of situations where the day could have been saved by simply demolishing the enemies in a fight.

I would recommend you dont attempt to insult my knowledge of doctor who, look at my avatar picture, that should say more than enough.

I dont even know where to begin with the second statement, the doctor sees people from his own universe and doesnt even know that they existed, i dont know where you got that idea of him knowing everything about batman, he wouldnt know jack about bruce, infact since this is a random situation and not a prep situation i might actually switch to bruce's side. A simple acupuncture technique would end this entire battle, however you try to put it, the result is the same.

#33 Posted by comic_book_fan (4476 posts) - - Show Bio

if neither have prep in direct combat batman wins.

if they both have prep then the doctor wins

and if only the doctor has prep than he wins

#34 Edited by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

@hudyman: Ice episode, the doors were open. Of course someone could walk in. That doesn't mean they were off on the rest of the TARDIS.

Voyage of the Damned was still off because of the Master (that short episode with 5th Doctor and 10th Doctor explained this. The Doc was just being lazy and not turning them back on).

Theories aren't usable except in story debates and such. If you want to go for feats, you'd have to find proof that the shields somehow would have stopped the TARDIS from completely collapsing. Now, we know sabotage was the reason the expxlosion happened (Journey to the Center of the TARDIS) since the TARDIS would have stopped it from blowing up without outside interference. And if the shields were down, it's much more likely that whoever hijacked the TARDIS took them down, since they wanted the explosion to happen.

Stolen Earth the Daleks shut the shields off. The Doctor specifically says they are masters of fighting TARDISes, and that the TARDIS is effectively exactly what it looks like in terms of composition (i.e. a police box) when Time War Daleks are involved.

In the old series, the shields were always on, but you could still just walk into the door if it was unlocked. In fact it's stated in the series that the doors have their own shields, separate from the rest (Horns of the Nimon). So once the doors close, their shield turns back on.

Also, the shields have been used several times during the new series. First when the 9th Doc used them to block Dalek blasts, and when 11 and Amy were hanging out the TARDIS enjoying space while still having a contained atmosphere and no radiation threat was apparent (which would have been unless something was shielding them).

#35 Posted by Benjamin568 (91 posts) - - Show Bio

@jodokon said:

With the Doctor with prep, he wins,

Without prep, its a stomp or a win with some difficulty in Batman's favor.

#36 Edited by hudyman (1628 posts) - - Show Bio

@hudyman: Ice episode, the doors were open. Of course someone could walk in. That doesn't mean they were off on the rest of the TARDIS.

Voyage of the Damned was still off because of the Master (that short episode with 5th Doctor and 10th Doctor explained this. The Doc was just being lazy and not turning them back on).

Theories aren't usable except in story debates and such. If you want to go for feats, you'd have to find proof that the shields somehow would have stopped the TARDIS from completely collapsing. Now, we know sabotage was the reason the expxlosion happened (Journey to the Center of the TARDIS) since the TARDIS would have stopped it from blowing up without outside interference. And if the shields were down, it's much more likely that whoever hijacked the TARDIS took them down, since they wanted the explosion to happen.

Stolen Earth the Daleks shut the shields off. The Doctor specifically says they are masters of fighting TARDISes, and that the TARDIS is effectively exactly what it looks like in terms of composition (i.e. a police box) when Time War Daleks are involved.

In the old series, the shields were always on, but you could still just walk into the door if it was unlocked. In fact it's stated in the series that the doors have their own shields, separate from the rest (Horns of the Nimon). So once the doors close, their shield turns back on.

Also, the shields have been used several times during the new series. First when the 9th Doc used them to block Dalek blasts, and when 11 and Amy were hanging out the TARDIS enjoying space while still having a contained atmosphere and no radiation threat was apparent (which would have been unless something was shielding them).

Thats a completely different type of shield from the one i'm talking about, those are the time shields which apparently are always on or else the tardis would be pretty much useless. Nevertheless i get your point.

#37 Posted by KingOfAsh (3265 posts) - - Show Bio

Not even all the Batw**k in the multiverse could save Batman

#38 Posted by The_Imperator (1709 posts) - - Show Bio

@hudyman: nah, time shields wouldn't keep the atmosphere in once the door opens (we've seen the doors get opened before and suck people out because of no way to keep the pressure in) so those are most likely the door shields just extended.

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#41 Posted by JohnTheBatman (9 posts) - - Show Bio

ok, I like Batman, but the Doctor would absolutely own Batboy, Sonic Screwdriver would disable Bats equipment, and Doctor goes into the TARDIS and stops his parents from getting murdered so that Bruce does not become Batman

#42 Edited by Lucano (505 posts) - - Show Bio

Spite. The Doc Godstomps. As much as I love Batman, he can't beat anyone with prep, The Doc is one of those Batman wouln't be able to beat, no matter what.

#43 Posted by comic_book_fan (4476 posts) - - Show Bio

@lucano: in a fist fight and no prep bruce beats him.

#44 Posted by Lucano (505 posts) - - Show Bio

On a pure fist fight, granted, Batman stomps.

#45 Edited by tronboy (264 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay: Batman will magically appear in the doctors Tardis and kill home before he gets to his grave in the future