@The_Soverighn: I feel like I should say without prep, Matt can win. Which of the two has shown faster reaction times/fighting speed?
I don't think Matt can out prep Bruce though, at least not without having to somehow handicap himself by making his senses less sharp (I'm thinking sonic devices from Bruce would be a go to strategy, or maybe some sort of disorientating gas pellets that all play on Matt's enhanced senses).
Has Matt ever had to rely on his h2h while his senses were blocked or on the fritz or anything?
Matt...Bruce...Matt,,in random encounters with out gadgets batman is losing this IMO,,Matt's senses are the key factor in this fight,,both are highly skilled martial artists but stripped down,Matt has an advantage...his senses allow him to know every time Bruce will strike and the trajectory,,plus Matt has agility over bats as well,,with out batman exploiting his sonic weakness I think DD wins rounds 1&3
-DareDevil 199- During a mild earthquake which badly rattles DareDevil's already screwy radar sense, he storms a temple filled with highly trained katana wielding samurai who've spent literal years perfecting their craft and decisively defeats them all suffering one minor hit himself.....Moon Knight 13- DareDevil, despite not being able to utilize his radar sense, is ambushed by Moon Knight and battle to a draw until they find out it was a case of mistaken identity. However midway through the fight, DareDevil managed to bind Moon Knights hands with his baton cable.......DareDevil 321- Armored DareDevil battles the voodoo summoned demon known as Hellspawn. Furthermore Hellspawn was a completely silent, had no scent, and possessing a blinding degree of superspeed. Yet DareDevil manages, using ingenuity and his own skills, to overcome being practically blind in all ways by causing a chemical fire and using his radar sense to convert the heat into a thermogram and causes the demon to retreat.......these are som instances of when he was without radar and overcame enemies
In a straight up fight, Daredevil can take this. He's way more agile than Batman and just as strong. It's kind of a toss up between who's the better martial artist, but I'd probably give it to Batman, but it's not a big enough gap to counter Matt echo-location, which ultimately leads to the win.
Bruce is a master prep, Matt just can't touch that. And bloodlusted Matt is a death sentence. Plus his clubs give him more versatility and options, which he's a complete master with. I can see Bats taking a wins out of 10 ten in this scenario, but Matt for the majority.
-DareDevil 199- During a mild earthquake which badly rattles DareDevil's already screwy radar sense, he storms a temple filled with highly trained katana wielding samurai who've spent literal years perfecting their craft and decisively defeats them all suffering one minor hit himself.....Moon Knight 13- DareDevil, despite not being able to utilize his radar sense, is ambushed by Moon Knight and battle to a draw until they find out it was a case of mistaken identity. However midway through the fight, DareDevil managed to bind Moon Knights hands with his baton cable.......DareDevil 321- Armored DareDevil battles the voodoo summoned demon known as Hellspawn. Furthermore Hellspawn was a completely silent, had no scent, and possessing a blinding degree of superspeed. Yet DareDevil manages, using ingenuity and his own skills, to overcome being practically blind in all ways by causing a chemical fire and using his radar sense to convert the heat into a thermogram and causes the demon to retreat.......these are som instances of when he was without radar and overcame enemies
Daredevil has so many amazing feats, yet still underrated. :(
Round 3: Daredevil,since Batman hardly uses bo staffs and Matt always uses his sticks.
Batman is not better h2h fighter than DD....there are at least the same level...but since we talking about h2h, speed and agility is the deciding factors here, and the edge goes to Matt Murdock. He is way better acrobatics than Bruce.
Round 3: Daredevil,since Batman hardly uses bo staffs and Matt always uses his sticks.
Batman is not better h2h fighter than DD....there are at least the same level...but since we talking about h2h, speed and agility is the deciding factors here, and the edge goes to Matt Murdock. He is way better acrobatics than Bruce.
R1 - DD
R2 - Bruce
R3 - DD
Being better at acrobatics doesn't mean better at unarmed combat.
Good fight. Either of them has a chance during the none prep fights but the second? Bruce wouldnt break a sweat. The third is most likely going to Murdock, I mean the dude was trained by a dude named (Stick)
Daredevil is the gonna win this fight just based on his agility and stamina. He could get more hits to Batman before bats could do very much damage. Daredevil is coming mostly off of H2H while bats relies on his tech to make him with that battle. Daredevil is the better fighter in my opinion.
ı love daredevil..he is so underrated in comics (ı think) ...
And he is senses, stealth, sticks, martial arts abilities is on extremly level
BUT ;
Bat has experience, and education about no feelin pain and blind fightin' (yes)
This things breaks to DD's advantages in fight
1:Bat cuz bat has a more disqusie and fear factor on DD first eye contact: Batman stand with his all determination and stability
2.Bat cuz his wrath and suit
3.Bat cuz no ranged attacks and close figt like wrestling ... in this instance: it doesnt matter for Matt's agility and Bruce more tough and strong than Matt
location: rooftops,streets and night time or twilight ı guess
and Bats pretty good agile too..always forgotten... He is such a good acrobat too...maybe not like daredevil but... he is the god of night and rooftops :D
Batman all 3 rounds, he is stronger, equally as fast and a far better Martial Artist, i would say that the closest round is the 3rd, as Matt fights with weapons more that Bruce does.
I actually go with Bruce on all three; according to Iron Fist, Daredevil isn't that good of a fighter and his style is just "oldschool ninjitsu mixed with irish boxing"
Batman has never beaten deathstroke with out assistance,although so many bat-fans would love to believe it,,,daredevil has beaten captain America before -DareDevil 155- DareDevil infiltrates the Avengers Mansion and takes out the power of the place. He then, in a most impressive display, defeats the Beast in hand to hand combat and then takes on and knocks out Hercules and Captain America at the same time by capturing Cap's shield with his own club and hurling it at the spine of Hercules, felling him, and then beats down Captain America in hand to hand combat. And the Avengers were not holding back since they did not know DareDevil was the one attacking them and at the time DD was suffering from a screwed up radar sense and a severe concussion bordering which was serious enough to give him delusions. -DareDevil 178- DareDevil and Iron Fist fight each other to a stalemate with neither warrior hitting each other despite their best attempts at trying to.. So Danny saying Matt isnt that good must mean he's not good since he can't even hit him with out amping himself with chi..DareDevil 245- DareDevil stalemates the Black Panther after fighting a power armored Wakandan Royal Guardsmen with bulletproof armor, jet flight and the ability to rip apart tanks.,,so saying he's not near any of these guys level is false
Also everyone Ike's to think he's so far ahead of Matt but in reality Bruce is in no way "a master of 127 forms of martial arts" that's the biggest lie I see bat-fans throwing around on every thread,,it takes years to truly master a form and the math is simple even if Bruce miraculously mastered each form in only one year he would A. Have no time to fight crime and B. be over almost 150 years old
Batman has never beaten deathstroke with out assistance,although so many bat-fans would love to believe it
Yes, he has. They had a series of fights in Detective Comics #710. Slade won all the initial skirmishes but Bruce ultimately disarmed him and took him out with his own weapon. He's also beaten Slade in an issue of Superman/Batman, although that series is hardly the most credible of sources.
DareDevil 155- DareDevil infiltrates the Avengers Mansion and takes out the power of the place. He then, in a most impressive display, defeats the Beast in hand to hand combat and then takes on and knocks out Hercules and Captain America at the same time by capturing Cap's shield with his own club and hurling it at the spine of Hercules, felling him, and then beats down Captain America in hand to hand combat.
Cap and Beast couldn't even see who they were fighting in that issue. There was no light in the room, and seeing as how Matt doesn't need light to see, that fight was geared to his advantage. Hercules was not knocked out or anywhere near it, he was perfectly conscious one page later. You seriously think Daredevil knocking out Hercules sounds legit? Beast is useless at H2H and KO'ing Cap would be more impressive if it wasn't a visually impaired Cap fighting a bloodlusted Daredevil.
DareDevil 178- DareDevil and Iron Fist fight each other to a stalemate with neither warrior hitting each other despite their best attempts at trying to.. So Danny saying Matt isnt that good must mean he's not good since he can't even hit him with out amping himself with chi.
That was barely even a fight. They just kept avoiding each other's hits while tossing out compliments like "Hey! Not bad!" and "Thanks! You're pretty good yourself!". Have you ever seen two martial artists in a comic book use language like that in a serious fight? And the fight lasted one page before Daredevil simply left. It never even came close to reaching a conclusion. Iron Fist's chi abilities have increased dramatically since then and he's received skill upgrades since then (what he gleaned from the Book of the Iron Fist, for example). Holding your own against the Iron Fist of the 1970's doesn't really translate into being able to replicate that against modern Iron Fist.
DareDevil 245- DareDevil stalemates the Black Panther after fighting a power armored Wakandan Royal Guardsmen with bulletproof armor, jet flight and the ability to rip apart tanks.,,so saying he's not near any of these guys level is false
If anything, Matt probably had the upper hand during that fight.
Batman is not better h2h fighter than DD....there are at least the same level...but since we talking about h2h, speed and agility is the deciding factors here, and the edge goes to Matt Murdock. He is way better acrobatics than Bruce.
Yeah he is actually, by a considerable margin.
I've read every issue of Daredevil volume 1 2 and currently 3, he's my favorite Marvel character next to Cap but I can say with 100% confidnece that Daredevil is not and never will by on the same level as guys like Bruce, Cap, Panther etc. He's close but not there.
Batman has beaten the best fighters in DC, Deathstroke, Prometheus, Bane, Azrael, Sensei, David Cain, Wrath Zeiss
Daredevil has NOT beaten the best on Marvel Earth, he's failed to beat Cap, Black Panther, Iron Fist etc...he has beaten Taskmaster but only through outside circumstances, he was never able to outfight him
Daredevil is a better acrobat, Bruce is a better martial artist, is stronger, faster much smarter. If they are both blood lusted Bruce could simply snap Daredevils neck and end it.
Sorry to all Daredevil fans but I'm more educated than anyone here. Even Vance Astro who's the most knowledgable person on Daredevil and has 41,000 wiki points for him agrees that Bruce would beat Daredevil in h2h 7-8/10
1)When did Batman beaten DS ? he barely beaten DS with the help of Nightwing (I remember)...Batman beaten Prometheus cuz he cheated, he download Stephen Hawking's movement into Prometheus skills...It's cheating, Prometheus still kicked Batman's ass. And since OP stated this a H2H fight, no cheat is allowed, I doubted Batman could out-smart DD here. You do know Bane had broke Bat's back right? that's because Bruce has no prep...I know Bruce with prep is nearly invincible, that's why I say Bruce will win in the 1 hour prep match...without prep, DD can beat Batman 7/10.
2)DD has beaten taskmaster, he dominate him for a while...and managed to launch a few hard strikes.
Taskmaster has fought Captain America, and is proven to be more superior than Rogers.
3)DD maybe not the best martial artist in Marvel verse, but he is definitely one of the best there is. His advantages are his Agility, Flexibility and speed . He maybe can't KO Bruce that fast, but in a long fight, DD can dodge most Bruce's punches and eventually DD will KO Bruce.
4) Actually I am a big fan of Batman and Ironman ... I know what Bruce are capable of ...but seriously, most of them are PIS .Like New52 for example, Bruce managed to Punch Superman and hurt him? That's just ridiculous, even for a Batman fan like me. You have so many Wiki point, I know, but that doesn't mean you can win this debate effortlessly... Because that's the purpose of open a Battle forum, we post our views and we challenge other Viners. Otherwise the Winner will be decided by WikiPoints instead of real good, solid opinion.Don't get me wrong, I didn't say your Wikipoints are useless.
@GodDamnIronMan: Daredevil beat Taskmaster by luring him into the path of a speeding car, not because of any H2H superiority on his part. Bane had months of prep against Batman and the help of his entire rogues' gallery. Without Venom, he's fought Batman twice and lost both times.
So basically all you need to beat captain America is to turn out the lights,,,that's pretty sad....as far as Hercules I meant to say takes out not knocks out,my bad...hasn't he stalemated Danny more recently as well? I don't really count the superman/batman fight,,like you said it not the most credible source...was the issue #710 when he finally got him on top of the building,,and that guy was threatening people with an automatic blocks away,,slade was questioning how many would die before bats could save them?
Yes, he has. They had a series of fights in Detective Comics #710. Slade won all the initial skirmishes but Bruce ultimately disarmed him and took him out with his own weapon. He's also beaten Slade in an issue of Superman/Batman, although that series is hardly the most credible of sources.
I agree that batman beats daredevil but wasn't that a sneak attack?
Yes, he has. They had a series of fights in Detective Comics #710. Slade won all the initial skirmishes but Bruce ultimately disarmed him and took him out with his own weapon. He's also beaten Slade in an issue of Superman/Batman, although that series is hardly the most credible of sources.
I agree that batman beats daredevil but wasn't that a sneak attack?
I only have a vague recollection of that issue, so you're probably right.
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