They fighting down in the subway, its dark so they'll fight in blind.
But, with there full strength, abilities, and equipment, who is going to win?
This is pretty one sided, due to the fact Mat is already blind so he is at no disadvantage. however bruce has been shown to have trained blind folded and perform quite well. since this is the movie versions though, under these circum stances i think DD takes a slight majority. i think bruces equipment is going to make it hard for Mat.
@NEEK_03: Don't forget Batman in Dark Knight had that sonar in his mask, so it's not a complete disadvntage. But movie forms I give it to Batman simply because I think with his gadgets he will eventually find out that DD's weakness isalso his strength (senses) and then just overwhelm them.
Mostly because he was fighting against someone that was borderline warping reality, and a trained ninja, as opposed to a clerk with a mask and a lunatic with a rabid dog. Ra's has been Batman's only true challenge in Nolan's films, and I can't say I've been particularly impressed by his performance at the climax of Begins. Ra's was winning until he got distracted.Fighting in the dark won't really hinder Wayne since he has at least two different vision modes to counter-act that. However, I was more impressed with Daredevil as a combatant.
Fighting in the dark won't really hinder Wayne since he has at least two different vision modes to counter-act that. However, I was more impressed with Daredevil as a combatant.
@k4tzm4n said:Ras was his master in the films, so it makes sense that he would have the upper hand.Mostly because he was fighting against someone that was borderline warping reality, and a trained ninja, as opposed to a clerk with a mask and a lunatic with a rabid dog. Ra's has been Batman's only true challenge in Nolan's films, and I can't say I've been particularly impressed by his performance at the climax of Begins. Ra's was winning until he got distracted.Fighting in the dark won't really hinder Wayne since he has at least two different vision modes to counter-act that. However, I was more impressed with Daredevil as a combatant.
@Morpheus_:
and I can't say I've been particularly impressed by his performance at the climax of Begins.
Agreed.
Even disregarding those (vs Bullseye/Elektra/Kingpin), I'd dispute that Daredevil's bar fight scene vs assorted goons/fodder/thugs impressed me more (regarding a random combat scenario) than anything Wayne has done.
@Ferro Vida: Students can and have surpassed masters, so Ra's being his former master is not really an excuse for Bruce. The resolution of his training implied he was on par with Ra's (he outplayed him in his final test), but when it came down to a personal showdown, Ra's still seemed better. And Ra's has been the sole skilled combatant Batman has faced in two films, as opposed to Bullseye, Elektra and even the Kingpin that Daredevil went up against in just one.I didn't mean to imply that students do not surpass their masters. I just did not feel that Bruce achieved that. In order to have surpassed Ras he would have had to become Ras, which he chose not to do. He was a different kind of animal. I don't really remember them having a fight in that movie where I felt Bruce did exceptionally well.
Been a while since I've seen the DD film. I think they wanted to add a sense of realism to the Batman flicks which is why his combat feats appear less off the wall. I'll have to go with DD for now as well. See what happens when Bane hits the big screen.
@Morpheus_: How could you resist the urge to watch the film again?!
If my memory serves me right, one light is knocked out in the beginning and it is kind of dim, but it's his agility and speed that seems to be the biggest obstacle for them. I remember quite a few moments where they have him in their sights. I only recall him getting hit by a fellow using a pool cue, lol.
That is accurate. He made quick work of them with his billy clubs. It was low-light at that point (flashes here and there). But it was light enough that they could still see him to attack him.@Morpheus_: How could you resist the urge to watch the film again?!
If my memory serves me right, one light is knocked out in the beginning and it is kind of dim, but it's his agility and speed that seems to be the biggest obstacle for them. I remember quite a few moments where they have him in their sights. I only recall him getting hit by a fellow using a pool cue, lol.
@Super_SoldierXII said:
I think they wanted to add a sense of realism to the Batman flicks which is why his combat feats appear less off the wall.
100% agreed.
I remember during the final sequence of Daredevil he jumps off a skyscraper and has an amazing display of agility. That would be very WTF-worthy in Nolan's universe, haha.
I think they wanted to add a sense of realism to the Batman flicks which is why his combat feats appear less off the wall.They can be realistic without downplaying Batman as a combatant.
Nah, I liked the Last Stand more than Daredevil, even though I do not abhor it to the degree most do, either. I never intend to watch either Ghost Rider film.@Morpheus_: @Ferro Vida: Daredevil receives a lot of hate, but in all honesty I enjoy it more than the likes of X-Men: The Last Stand, Ghost Rider, etc. Not high praise, I know, but I don't abhor the film, either.
I kind of loved Daredevil. Not because it was a great film, but because it was good for what it was. Granted, I watched the Director's Cut first, which apparently is a much better film in general.@Morpheus_: @Ferro Vida: Daredevil receives a lot of hate, but in all honesty I enjoy it more than the likes of X-Men: The Last Stand, Ghost Rider, etc. Not high praise, I know, but I don't abhor the film, either.
I kind of loved Daredevil. Not because it was a great film, but because it was good for what it was. Granted, I watched the Director's Cut first, which apparently is a much better film in general. And the last scene where he jumps off the building was always one of my favourite WTF moments.The director's cut is overrated.The movie isn't very good no matter which version you see.
Nah, I liked the Last Stand more than Daredevil, even though I do not abhor it to the degree most do, either.Agreed.
@Morpheus_: What's WTF worthy about being evacuated by a high-speed plane abruptly yanking you out of a building? :P
No problem. I never saw the latest Ghost Rider, but the first was very disapointing.
@Ferro Vida: I'm ashamed to say I actually haven't seen the director's cut. I hear it really boosts the quality, though.
It's worse than the first by a longshot.I never saw the latest Ghost Rider, but the first was very disapointing.
@k4tzm4n said:I disagree entirely. The second was a more fun film. And it just looked cooler.It's worse than the first by a longshot.I never saw the latest Ghost Rider, but the first was very disapointing.
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