Batman vs Conan

- Both are unarmed, Bruce Wayne was going down the street and suddenly he was attacked by Conan who wants to rob him, Bruce of course wont give money without the fight so the battle begins

- Morals off for both

- Fight to the KO or death, current version of Batman and Conan from Dark Horse comics

VS

I'd love to know, if Conan wears his standard outfit though! Bruce takes him down. Conan is a cunning warrior, a fearless barbarian, an incredibly strong fighter. Bruce is the incarnation of Homo Universalis, perfection in action and furthermore his training can surpass anyone else's training. But, please answer my question, will Conan has his standard outfit?

@Phaedrusgr said:

I'd love to know, if Conan wears his standard outfit though! Bruce takes him down. Conan is a cunning warrior, a fearless barbarian, an incredibly strong fighter. Bruce is the incarnation of Homo Universalis, perfection in action and furthermore his training can surpass anyone else's training. But, please answer my question, will Conan has his standard outfit?

Yes standard outfit :)

Bruce takes him

I say draw... Lol.

@whacknasty said:

I say draw... Lol.

Most likely :)

Whats conans best hand to hand feat?

Bruce wins in a Hand-to-Hand only fight.

Bruce wins easily. With morals off he can kill Conan with the Leopard Blow which Shiva taught him is a one hit kill.

@weaponmaster said:

Bruce wins in a Hand-to-Hand only fight.

Agreed.

With a sword (according to the comics) Conan becomes a god killer.

@xdm said:

@weaponmaster said:

Bruce wins in a Hand-to-Hand only fight.

Agreed.

With a sword (according to the comics) Conan becomes a god killer.

Agreed.

With a sword Conan is capable of this:

50/50

Here's why Conan kills Batman every single time: "Zaporavo was the veteran of a thousand fights by sea and by land. There was no man in the world more deeply and thoroughly versed than he in the lore of swordcraft. But he had never been pitted against a blade wielded by thews bred in the wild lands beyond the borders of civilization. Against his fighting-craft was matched blinding speed and strength impossible to a civilized man. Conan's manner of fighting was unorthodox, but instinctive and natural as that of a timber wolf. The intricacies of the sword were as useless against his primitive fury as a human boxer's skill against the onslaughts of a panther. Fighting as he had never fought before, straining every last ounce of effort to parry the blade that flickered like lightning about his head, Zaporavo in desperation caught a full stroke near his hilt, and felt his whole arm go numb beneath the terrific impact. That stroke was instantly followed by a thrust with such terrible drive behind it that the sharp point ripped through chain-mail and ribs like paper, to transfix the heart beneath. Zaporavo's lips writhed in brief agony, but, grim to the last, he made no sound. He was dead before his body relaxed on the trampled grass, where blood drops glittered like spilt rubies in the sun. Conan shook the red drops from his sword, grinned with unaffected pleasure, stretched like a huge cat..." from Pool of the Black One, by Robert E. Howard. Replace the name "Zaporavo" with "Batman" and that's about how it would play out. Batman/Bruce Wayne is without question a very civilized man...born rich, lives in a mansion, has a butler... Conan would do to Batman exactly what he did to Zaporavo for the exact same reasons.

@El_Nastro said:

Here's why Conan kills Batman every single time: "Zaporavo was the veteran of a thousand fights by sea and by land. There was no man in the world more deeply and thoroughly versed than he in the lore of swordcraft. But he had never been pitted against a blade wielded by thews bred in the wild lands beyond the borders of civilization. Against his fighting-craft was matched blinding speed and strength impossible to a civilized man. Conan's manner of fighting was unorthodox, but instinctive and natural as that of a timber wolf. The intricacies of the sword were as useless against his primitive fury as a human boxer's skill against the onslaughts of a panther. Fighting as he had never fought before, straining every last ounce of effort to parry the blade that flickered like lightning about his head, Zaporavo in desperation caught a full stroke near his hilt, and felt his whole arm go numb beneath the terrific impact. That stroke was instantly followed by a thrust with such terrible drive behind it that the sharp point ripped through chain-mail and ribs like paper, to transfix the heart beneath. Zaporavo's lips writhed in brief agony, but, grim to the last, he made no sound. He was dead before his body relaxed on the trampled grass, where blood drops glittered like spilt rubies in the sun. Conan shook the red drops from his sword, grinned with unaffected pleasure, stretched like a huge cat..." from Pool of the Black One, by Robert E. Howard. Replace the name "Zaporavo" with "Batman" and that's about how it would play out. Batman/Bruce Wayne is without question a very civilized man...born rich, lives in a mansion, has a butler... Conan would do to Batman exactly what he did to Zaporavo for the exact same reasons.

You're maybe right but you're underestimating Bruce, yes he is born rich, lives in mansion, has a butler, but he is also one of the strongest and smartest non metas on earth, and is perhaps one of the best fighters, he defeated Ra's Al Ghul in swords despite centuries of Ra's experience.

Batman easy

Bruce easily. He knows fighting techniques Conan never saw. Also Bruce handled combatants who were physical stronger than our Crimmerian.

Conan easily. What techniqes exactly does Batman have that Conan's never seen, and how precisely would that help? Zaporovo knew techniques Conan never saw before, but it didn't help - it wouldn't help Batman either, for the exact same reasons. A well-timed punch, kick, elbow or knee? A devious lock? A tricky throw? It doesn't matter what sort of Esoteric Ninja 5-Point Palm Dim Mak Bat-Attack Batman thows. It's Batman who's outclassed here in terms of reflexes, speed, endurance, will, strength, and unerring natural fighting aptitude. How exactly is Batman supposed to land a fancy move without getting decapitated? He can't out-speed or overpower Conan. And he can't somehow trick Conan into providing an opening (see the above excerpt). Batman would be completely on the defensive here, it would be all he could do to defend himself for a few moments...while Batman's defending, dodging, analyizing, and waiting & searching for an opening that never presesnts itself, Conan kills him. "But the utility belt!", you say! Ok...what about it? Batman reaches for a batarang or something, Conan kills Batman while Batman's hand is down. But let's sat Bats gets something out. Whats he got in there that poses any real threat? Batman's stuff is non-lethal. What's he got....batarangs, tear gas, flash-bangs, sonic doodads, a kryptonite ring....against a blood-mad Conan, that stuff would work about as well as guns work on Batman. Flasbangs...tear-gas...we're talking about a guy who routinely shrugs off Blasphemous Sorcerous Mind Control Magic just by gritting his teeth and shrugging it off through sheer willpower...a guy who can sustain injuries, wounds, and blows that "would kill any normal man", ignore them and keep fighting anyway (healing factors are for sissies!). And Conan's no dummy, either. He's as clever as he is mean, so you can't say Batman's a better strategist. Conan's led everything from small bands to huge armies to victory. Batman's had his share of wins, but he's lost plenty of fights, too. Conan's never lost a fight to a single opponent. Batman's simply outclassed here.

@El_Nastro:

Lol.

Conan takes this, easy.

@El_Nastro:

This is hand to hand. It's not a swordfight so your first post is meaningless.

Hand to hand, Bruce wins.

Bruce

@nightwing91 said:

Bruce wins easily. With morals off he can kill Conan with the Leopard Blow which Shiva taught him is a one hit kill.

This.

@El_Nastro: Flasbangs...tear-gas...we're talking about a guy who routinely shrugs off Blasphemous Sorcerous Mind Control Magic just by gritting his teeth and shrugging it off through sheer willpower...a guy who can sustain injuries, wounds, and blows that "would kill any normal man", ignore them and keep fighting anyway (healing factors are for sissies!). And Conan's no dummy, either. He's as clever as he is mean, so you can't say Batman's a better strategist. Conan's led everything from small bands to huge armies to victory. Batman's had his share of wins, but he's lost plenty of fights, too. Conan's never lost a fight to a single opponent. Batman's simply outclassed here.

1) he cant shrug off flash bangs and tear gas by gritting his teeth because those arent mind control tricks, they target the eyes and throat =.=

2) Batman is a worldclass master of martial arts and ninjitsu, he has shown to be capable of dodging bullets which are faster than any sword swinging I'm sure.

3) Batman doesn't need to fight a dummy to win, he's fought and defeated numerous meta-humans who are "as clever as they are mean"

I'm not trying to flare out at you and I respect your argument but batman is not outclassed, he knows every martial arts there is on earth and he's damn good well with them.

Batman without question. Conan will not even know what hit him.

batman

This is not an easy fight for either side. Seriously.

Bruce.

I have seen Conan snatch trees out the ground. Bruce Wayne cannot fight Conan. Bruce might be a better fighter, but Conan fights really good, and bare minimum he is peak human. Conan could take on Bane, killer Croc and possibly win.

I just keep flashing back to Batman's first fight with Deathstroke......I think it might go something like that, with Bruce being a few pennies short at the end of the battle.

And since Conan is jumping Bruce he (most likely) gets first strike,that will make a huge impact on Bruce who will without a doubt roll with the hit and come up ready for bear, which will no doubt surprise Conan. I still see Conan squeaking out the victory.

Those who say Conan beats Bruce hand to hand, have really got to show feats and explain better. With a sword, Conan definitely has a chance, hand to hand? Forget it. No chance. Nadda.

^^ Agreed, im gonna go with batman on this one untill we have some feats shown. i highly doubt Conan is even close to as skilled as batman in h2h, he is more ruthless forsure. and he may be a bit unpredictable, which could throw bruce off, but bruce can adapt to situations and counter in such a fashion that very few can match. im not sure who is physically superior between the two, but IF its conan its not gonna be enough to give him any real edge. Give Conan the Sword and bruce his gear, Bruce still wins.

Batman easily.

@NEEK_03 said:

^^ Agreed, im gonna go with batman on this one untill we have some feats shown. i highly doubt Conan is even close to as skilled as batman in h2h, he is more ruthless forsure. and he may be a bit unpredictable, which could throw bruce off, but bruce can adapt to situations and counter in such a fashion that very few can match. im not sure who is physically superior between the two, but IF its conan its not gonna be enough to give him any real edge. Give Conan the Sword and bruce his gear, Bruce still wins.

what about Bruce unarmed and Conan with sword?

Conan is 17 years old here and is fighting against horde of zombie like creatures which killed entire battalion of soldiers with ease.

@TheSandman 1) he cant shrug off flash bangs and tear gas by gritting his teeth because those arent mind control tricks, they target the eyes and throat =.= 2) Batman is a worldclass master of martial arts and ninjitsu, he has shown to be capable of dodging bullets which are faster than any sword swinging I'm sure. 3) Batman doesn't need to fight a dummy to win, he's fought and defeated numerous meta-humans who are "as clever as they are mean" I'm not trying to flare out at you and I respect your argument but batman is not outclassed, he knows every martial arts there is on earth and he's damn good well with them. 1. Eldritch Mind Control Sorcery isn't a "trick"...it's Sorcery. And Conan routinely shrugs off wounds and injuries that would kill any normal person. The idea that Batman could deal with someone like Conan with gadgetry is...well, I'll put it this way: Batman's gadgets would be just as effective on Conan as guns are on Batman. 2. Yes, Batman's one of the best hand-to-hand fighters in the DCU. Conan's the best fighter in the Hyborian Age. Batman's dodged bullets, huh? OK. But I've also seen Batman get punched...and bullets are slower than punches. What gives? Apparently it depends on who he's fighting, and in this case he wouldn't be fighting a nameless canon-fodder thug or C-list tights-wearing criminal. 3. And Batman's lost confrontations before, too. Conan never has. It comes down to the fact that Batman simply has nothing on Conan...Conan's just a deadlier character. Now, if this was a crime-solving contest, Batman would most definitely win. But were not talking about solving mysteries, we're talking about fighting. What exactly does Batman have on Conan? Strength? Speed? Skill? Experience? Agility? Reflexes? Cunning? Endurance? Stealth? Willpower? Nope. You might (might) be able to argue that they're evenly matched in some of those things, but the two differ in one very key way: Batman's career is very much framed around not killing. That's why he doesn't carry a gun. His gadgets tend to be non-lethal, and 95% of his victories end in an unconscious or restrained enemy. Conan, on the other hand is a death-machine...he's like Captain America, Wolverine, and the Punisher combined...Conan's probably just on the "super" side of "superhuman" (..."it would have killed any normal man", "strength, speed, and ferocity impossible for a civilized man"), he was literally born on the battlefield. Conan's a natural killer...Batman isn't.

Conan tears Batman's arms off, and then beats him to death with them... FTW!

I once asked what was so good about Conan in another thread, and I wasn't impressed.

I'll take Batman.

@El_Nastro said:

Conan easily. What techniqes exactly does Batman have that Conan's never seen, and how precisely would that help? Zaporovo knew techniques Conan never saw before, but it didn't help - it wouldn't help Batman either, for the exact same reasons. A well-timed punch, kick, elbow or knee? A devious lock? A tricky throw? It doesn't matter what sort of Esoteric Ninja 5-Point Palm Dim Mak Bat-Attack Batman thows. It's Batman who's outclassed here in terms of reflexes, speed, endurance, will, strength, and unerring natural fighting aptitude. How exactly is Batman supposed to land a fancy move without getting decapitated? He can't out-speed or overpower Conan. And he can't somehow trick Conan into providing an opening (see the above excerpt). Batman would be completely on the defensive here, it would be all he could do to defend himself for a few moments...while Batman's defending, dodging, analyizing, and waiting & searching for an opening that never presesnts itself, Conan kills him. "But the utility belt!", you say! Ok...what about it? Batman reaches for a batarang or something, Conan kills Batman while Batman's hand is down. But let's sat Bats gets something out. Whats he got in there that poses any real threat? Batman's stuff is non-lethal. What's he got....batarangs, tear gas, flash-bangs, sonic doodads, a kryptonite ring....against a blood-mad Conan, that stuff would work about as well as guns work on Batman. Flasbangs...tear-gas...we're talking about a guy who routinely shrugs off Blasphemous Sorcerous Mind Control Magic just by gritting his teeth and shrugging it off through sheer willpower...a guy who can sustain injuries, wounds, and blows that "would kill any normal man", ignore them and keep fighting anyway (healing factors are for sissies!). And Conan's no dummy, either. He's as clever as he is mean, so you can't say Batman's a better strategist. Conan's led everything from small bands to huge armies to victory. Batman's had his share of wins, but he's lost plenty of fights, too. Conan's never lost a fight to a single opponent. Batman's simply outclassed here.

@El_Nastro said:

Here's why Conan kills Batman every single time: "Zaporavo was the veteran of a thousand fights by sea and by land. There was no man in the world more deeply and thoroughly versed than he in the lore of swordcraft. But he had never been pitted against a blade wielded by thews bred in the wild lands beyond the borders of civilization. Against his fighting-craft was matched blinding speed and strength impossible to a civilized man. Conan's manner of fighting was unorthodox, but instinctive and natural as that of a timber wolf. The intricacies of the sword were as useless against his primitive fury as a human boxer's skill against the onslaughts of a panther. Fighting as he had never fought before, straining every last ounce of effort to parry the blade that flickered like lightning about his head, Zaporavo in desperation caught a full stroke near his hilt, and felt his whole arm go numb beneath the terrific impact. That stroke was instantly followed by a thrust with such terrible drive behind it that the sharp point ripped through chain-mail and ribs like paper, to transfix the heart beneath. Zaporavo's lips writhed in brief agony, but, grim to the last, he made no sound. He was dead before his body relaxed on the trampled grass, where blood drops glittered like spilt rubies in the sun. Conan shook the red drops from his sword, grinned with unaffected pleasure, stretched like a huge cat..." from Pool of the Black One, by Robert E. Howard. Replace the name "Zaporavo" with "Batman" and that's about how it would play out. Batman/Bruce Wayne is without question a very civilized man...born rich, lives in a mansion, has a butler... Conan would do to Batman exactly what he did to Zaporavo for the exact same reasons.

For one, Conan is unarmed in this fight, so your first post is meaningless. Two, you're comparing a nobody (Zaporovo) to Bruce. They are NOT the same character. Three, you're completely underestimating Bruce, disregarding his extensive training and vast martial arts skills. He's not just some rich guy.

@batman4stealth2attack: Sorry about that, my friend came on my computer and did that- I am a batman fanboy! Batman has unreal H2H ability, and extreme knowledge of pressure points. He would discombobulate conan, then attack conan with the deadly leopard blow that shiva had taught him- KO.

Batman

Batman.

@bigcimmerian

Wut? :D

I'd have to go with Conan he physically outmatches batman, he outmuscled a dinosaur and killed it, he's his match tactically, and he's just as fast if not faster so if batman doesn't land his one hit kill quick Conan might just punch his head off.

FEATS speak louder than words. You show a post of Conan killing ghouls and zombies, and I can respond with him killing Doomsday clones from Apokolips. Come on people, we are using hand to hand and dark horse comics.

@senglord:
In Man-Eaters of Zamboula, Conan fought against Ball Pteor, a man taller and more massive than Conan, who strangled people for a living.

Conan's low laugh was merciless as the ring of steel.

“You fool!” he all but whispered. “I think you never saw a man from the West before. Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man — like this!”

And with a savage wrench he twisted Baal-pteor's head around until the ghastly face leered over the left shoulder, and the vertebrae snapped like a rotten branch.

Bulletproof Kevlar armor might be no match for that. Conan kills, Batman normally doesn't. You have to fix the fight by calling "morals off" to give Batman the edge. Conan kills as a matter of life. No need to call morals off for him. He's killed thousands, and was still deemed honorable enough to lift Mjolnir, a feet few mortal, immortal , or meta-human can attain. If Conan gets a grip on the Batman, he could quite literally tear his arm off and beat him with it. Has Conan been defeated? Yes he has. So has Batman. So neither are untouchable.

Another thing. I don't like the generalization that Conan is a common mugger. Was he a thief? Heck yes. Was he an Assassin? No way. However, once involved in a fight, he would have no qualms about killing his foe. But Conan was wise and smart enough to choose his targets carefully. Conan may be on a job, trying to steal something from Bruce Wayne, but Conan would not be foolish enough to go head on like this. He would watch and stalk his prey, waiting for a moment of weakness.He would be able to tell that Bruce was a dangerous foe from his subtle actions and movements. If it was a valuable item, he would prefer to take it while unattended. To attack Bruce openly would require Conan to know that the item was in his possession. He would also know that he would need 1 strike to knock out Bruce to attain his goal.

@darthzed: that is a 2 ton class feat. Definitely stronger than Bats. The speed is a major issue. As well as stealth. Conan is dealing with someone who can dodge sniper bullets fired at his back. Conan's stealth may be ninja level, but not higher than Batman's level of detection when not jobbing. You can lowball Bats much easier than a character like Conan because half of the writers of Batman titles feel that the bad guys are the important character and he is the prop designed to make them look good. Or they are writers like Finch, Hurwitz, and Johns who either like drawing cool splash pages or hate the character for popularity they cannot understand.

Speed may be Batmans one saving grace. The utility belt I'm also not as concerned with. Conan has battled through poison gases and knock-out gases. He is aware enough to not breathe or panic. He's also faced wizardly versions of Tazers and Flamethrowers before, and has often been described as having the reflexes of a panther.

I just get the feeling that most people dismiss Conan out of hand because he is a Cimmerian, and not some "civilized" hero.

Bruce.