Batman vs. Captain America

First battle, random encounter
Second battle, pure h2h
Who wins?

Pretty sure both scenarios have been done before. Looks like you're new here, so in case you didn't know you can always use the search function or when creating a thread, possible similar topics should show on the bottom of your screen (I think there is a bug problem with this currently though). For the sake of the debate, you should also specify which character we are using as Bruce and Dick have both worn the mantle of the Bat and Steve and Bucky have both held the shield of Captain America.

Both fights are even....
It can be eother way i think...maybe the only advantage cap has is his shield and he is very little superior physically but these won't be a big help since batsgadgets can cause damage to cap even with his shield so in first round bats wins...
In second i'll give it to cap...a fight only h2h cap's superior physical stats will help him more than the first round...so i'll give it to cap.... 
But as i said this is close and it can go either way...=]

Bruce in both
 
Gadgets>>Shield
 
Skill and intellect >>> physical stats

" Bruce in both  Gadgets>>Shield  Skill and intellect >>> physical stats "

" @FinalStar86 said:

" Bruce in both  Gadgets>>Shield  Skill and intellect >>> physical stats "

I highily doubt that Bruce is better fighter....i'm pretty sure that they are equals....by that logic superior stats>>>being equal fighter...=] "

" It could go both ways. "

" @spidey 15 said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

" Bruce in both  Gadgets>>Shield  Skill and intellect >>> physical stats "

I highily doubt that Bruce is better fighter....i'm pretty sure that they are equals....by that logic superior stats>>>being equal fighter...=] "

Bruce is a better fighter, if it wasn't for Cap's physical stats he would get creamed by Bats, knows more styles, has been training since he was a child and is smarter then Steve is.  "

 
 
This fight is canon for DC then Batman admitted that he would "probably" lose if the fight continued.

1st Round - Batman 
2nd Round - Captain America wins eventually, i reckon Batman would get more hits in, but Captain would last long enough to take him out

"   This fight is canon for DC then Batman admitted that he would "probably" lose if the fight continued. "

" @spidey 15: Ok so Captain America being potentially able to beat batman after a long term fight is "plot induced stupidity" .... riiiight "

" @spidey 15: Those gadgets being? Plus they were ripped out of their worlds so i doubt he was prepared. "

batman 
batman

" batman batman "

" @spidey 15: It was a clean h2h fight, and even if he'd grab for his Gadgets, which one of those couldn't Cap dodge with his Superhuman (super soldier) reflexes and other attributes? "

" @spidey 15: Sound? wouldn't that efffect bats aswell? ;P "

yeah i guess

Original: Batman vs. Captain America

2nd battle is cap all the way, super soldier plus military training will level batman's " kungfu". Superhuman plus good fighter vs good fighter = cap for the win

" 2nd battle is cap all the way, super soldier plus military training will level batman's " kungfu". Superhuman plus good fighter vs good fighter = cap for the win "

" @spidey 15: is above normal human due to the super soldier serum, which adding to the same around fighting skill as bruce would end in his favour. "

"Bruce in both  Gadgets>>Shield  Skill and intellect >>> physical stats "

Captain America is a skilled fighter and tactician. It's namely why he developes his own fighting styles and has been one of the best leaders in the MU.

 
@FinalStar86 said:

"Bruce is a better fighter, if it wasn't for Cap's physical stats he would get creamed by Bats, knows more styles, has been training since he was a child and is smarter then Steve is.  "

 
Doubtful, the Serum opened the door, but Captain America puts in a lot of hard work to make himself into the beast that he is. You've had other characters actually worry about how hard said character pushes himself, to the point he could get himself killed.  
Namely why he can fight the people he does, like actually giving guys like Tchalla a fight despite the man being born and raised to be a warrior since birth, knocking around Wolverine, and the dozens of other skilled / super powered enemies / friends a like with years more experience than Caps. 
 
Your attitude about believing SSS instantly made Caps into the man that is he is reminds me of this thread. 
 
@spidey 15 said:

" @brharri said:

" batman batman "

Second round is cap....since he won't have any gadgets...Cap's superior physical stats will allow him to beat him....=] "

That and the years of intense training and skill. Bats himself may be super human for his weight to be pushing lifting as much as he does, but Caps is pure awsome source.

" @Hellos: Indeed....=] "

Batman wins

Close. This is about as close a DC VS Marvel fight you can get. Except maybe Bats (Bruce Wayne) versus Black Panther.
 
But I'd give it to Bruce because he is smarter and much dirtier and fighter.
 
For the record however. Steve Rogers is without a doubt one of the 3 most awesome marvel characters ever.

" I'd say Batman for both. He can most likely match (if not surpass) any physical showings that Cap has. If anyone wants to see scans, I'll show them. "

" I'd say Batman for both. He can most likely match (if not surpass) any physical showings that Cap has. If anyone wants to see scans, I'll show them. "

"Bruce in both  Gadgets>>Shield  Skill and intellect >>> physical stats "

" @FinalStar86 said:

"Bruce in both  Gadgets>>Shield  Skill and intellect >>> physical stats "

Bruce is not a better fighter.  When has bruce every really used his gadgets in a hand to hand fight to the point were the fight was won based on gadgets?  He takes people on hand to hand and seeing as there's no prep I think there both evenly matched. "

" @daak1212 said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

"Bruce in both  Gadgets>>Shield  Skill and intellect >>> physical stats "

Bruce is not a better fighter.  When has bruce every really used his gadgets in a hand to hand fight to the point were the fight was won based on gadgets?  He takes people on hand to hand and seeing as there's no prep I think there both evenly matched. "

In battle forums every character tries to do his best.... so batman will try to use everything he got to take down cap( gadgets) and he doesn't need prep...his standar gear are more than enough to beat or slow down cap....=] "

" @spidey 15 said:

" @daak1212 said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

"Bruce in both  Gadgets>>Shield  Skill and intellect >>> physical stats "

Bruce is not a better fighter.  When has bruce every really used his gadgets in a hand to hand fight to the point were the fight was won based on gadgets?  He takes people on hand to hand and seeing as there's no prep I think there both evenly matched. "

In battle forums every character tries to do his best.... so batman will try to use everything he got to take down cap( gadgets) and he doesn't need prep...his standar gear are more than enough to beat or slow down cap....=] "

True but thats preatty much saying caps extremly stupid to walk into the traps.  Bucky beat Wolverine and Cap beat bucky.  What Im saying is that an assassin who know his opponent very well still lost to Cap.  Cap is not going to fall for bats.  Past Cap with the sheild would tie with Batman but current Steve would be edged to him since he uses guns now.  Look at the cover for Super-Soldier one. "

 current Steve would be edged to him since he uses guns now.  Look at the cover for Super-Soldier one. "

" @daak1212 said:

 current Steve would be edged to him since he uses guns now.  Look at the cover for Super-Soldier one. "

no, Batman faces off against people with guns all the time, including villains who are much better shots the the current Cap and dodges them. Guns won't be a deciding factor. "

Could go either way but more on Cap for the first fight and more on Bats on the second fight. 
 
I pick Cap on the first cause Batman's greatest skill is his ability to manipulate the element of surprise. Plus I don't know any gadget that could compete with Cap's shield. Add to that Rogers' s control over that oversized discus. 
 
On the other hand, pure h2h would go to bats cause of his experience. Yeah Caps learned virtually all the martial arts in the world but Bruce knows most of the martial arts in the world. The difference? Bruce picked only the best. What's the point of learning all arts if some are just plain bullshido (like Taekwondo... Yeah I said it, TKD sucks as hell and is impractical in real life -I was an upper brown belt TKD practitioner.. hehehe!). Plus Bats learned the arts the hard way... Going round the world training and stuff like that. If you're gonna learn Kickboxing and had the choice of a teacher, would you pick a kickboxing "specialist" that has a calling card, blog, and own dojo in the Bronx or a tried and tested coach of a Muay Thai champion in Lumpinee with knowledge of even the more ancient Muay Boran? Nuff said... 
 
Just my two pennies (plural of penny you dirty green-minded bastard! hehehe!)....

"Could go either way but more on Cap for the first fight and more on Bats on the second fight.  I pick Cap on the first cause Batman's greatest skill is his ability to manipulate the element of surprise. Plus I don't know any gadget that could compete with Cap's shield. Add to that Rogers' s control over that oversized discus.  On the other hand, pure h2h would go to bats cause of his experience. Yeah Caps learned virtually all the martial arts in the world but Bruce knows most of the martial arts in the world. The difference? Bruce picked only the best. What's the point of learning all arts if some are just plain bullshido (like Taekwondo... Yeah I said it, TKD sucks as hell and is impractical in real life -I was an upper brown belt TKD practitioner.. hehehe!). Plus Bats learned the arts the hard way... Going round the world training and stuff like that. If you're gonna learn Kickboxing and had the choice of a teacher, would you pick a kickboxing "specialist" that has a calling card, blog, and own dojo in the Bronx or a tried and tested coach of a Muay Thai champion in Lumpinee with knowledge of even the more ancient Muay Boran? Nuff said...  Just my two pennies (plural of penny you dirty green-minded bastard! hehehe!).... "

" Could go either way but more on Cap for the first fight and more on Bats on the second fight.  I pick Cap on the first cause Batman's greatest skill is his ability to manipulate the element of surprise. Plus I don't know any gadget that could compete with Cap's shield. Add to that Rogers' s control over that oversized discus.  On the other hand, pure h2h would go to bats cause of his experience. Yeah Caps learned virtually all the martial arts in the world but Bruce knows most of the martial arts in the world. The difference? Bruce picked only the best. What's the point of learning all arts if some are just plain bullshido (like Taekwondo... Yeah I said it, TKD sucks as hell and is impractical in real life -I was an upper brown belt TKD practitioner.. hehehe!). Plus Bats learned the arts the hard way... Going round the world training and stuff like that. If you're gonna learn Kickboxing and had the choice of a teacher, would you pick a kickboxing "specialist" that has a calling card, blog, and own dojo in the Bronx or a tried and tested coach of a Muay Thai champion in Lumpinee with knowledge of even the more ancient Muay Boran? Nuff said...  Just my two pennies (plural of penny you dirty green-minded bastard! hehehe!).... "

"
  Captain is an expert marksman on par with batman or a lil bit above. "

" @Crom-Cruach said:

" @daak1212 said:

 current Steve would be edged to him since he uses guns now.  Look at the cover for Super-Soldier one. "

no, Batman faces off against people with guns all the time, including villains who are much better shots the the current Cap and dodges them. Guns won't be a deciding factor. "

If you say deadshot thats horribly off.  Theres no prep, the deadshot thing was because Batman found out who he was and replaced his bullets with blanks.  Captain is an expert marksman on par with batman or a lil bit above. "

" @daak1212 said:

"
  Captain is an expert marksman on par with batman or a lil bit above. "

No he isn't. Bat's accuracy and reflexes with a Batarang are equal to Cap or more. And Bats has dodged bullets from Deathstroke and armies of goons. He's caught arrows shot at him by the Emerald Archer himself.   Cap is good but he's not better then Bats. "