Team 1. Batman has beaten Ra's and Nightwing has been able to keep up with him. Nightwing has already beaten the old jason, im not sure about the new 52 level headed one but whatever. Batman could beat jason i just dont think he would do it.
Team 1. all rounds(it's more or less established that Nightwing can deal with Todd)
Ra's Al Ghul is terribly overrated unfortunately so far as combat savvy. Even Nightwing can handle him in his supposed realm of expertise: Sword fighting
@frozen@ancient_0f_days It wasn't a spar. It was a Death Battle on Warworld. They clashed and Supergirl was able to pin him down so it's not really a feat for him.
New 52 Jason beat lady Shiva so he would probably win this fight. But in terms of this fight team one wins every round. Even though nightwing beating ras was pis and he kicked him in the face which wasn't really fair.
@mitran: He remarked that she had previously taught him a few shortcuts to beat a martial artist of her caliber when she trained him since she didn't believe that he could beat her in a fight and then he used a pressure point to paralyze her for 30 minutes. I don't know if you would count that as outfighting her since he acknowledged that he really can't but it was a fair fight and he won, even though it was a "shortcut" as he called it.
@mitran: Well dondave posted the scan but that was in red hood and the outlaws 26 I believe. And yeah Jason couldn't really beat Shiva, she actually beat him later in the same story arc. But he apparently knows some useful "shortcuts" that could come into play here. Although batman definitely knows whatever strike jason used so he still loses to batman at least.
that's judo, he's not simply throwing her around with his own strength...even if he could, he's got nothing on Batman's bench
Well no ****. It's still impress, not everyone can hip throw someone or something that big.I barely even deadlift that much. I've never seen Batman bench and the only time I've seen him actually lifting was in the mini where he was on a prototype Venom early on in his career.
that's judo, he's not simply throwing her around with his own strength...even if he could, he's got nothing on Batman's bench
Well no ****. It's still impress, not everyone can hip throw someone or something that big.I barely even deadlift that much. I've never seen Batman bench and the only time I've seen him actually lifting was in the mini where he was on a prototype Venom early on in his career.
It's not that impressive skill or strength wise compared to Nightwing and Batman who could easily do the same, what a normal person can do is completely irrelevant so the fact that you can't do it doesn't make it impressive. Batman held up half a ton early in his career when a ceiling dropped on him, then he was seen benching half a ton casually in his mansion's weight room.
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In combat he literally did throw around a flying Man-Bat who actually weighs 600 lbs
@ancient_0f_days: I am aware of the first feat and I don't read Nightwing so I don't know what he can do. I posted what I thought was Jason doing something pretty cool. I never even once said he'd win. It was more of a joke, just like everyone says Jason solos due to punching through submarines. Don't take a scan so seriously.
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