Batman (Dick Grayson) vs Batman (90's Animated)

@nightwing91 said:

" @jasraj: Yes but he's fighting someone, and the cloth basically equals fighting wwith nothing he's not taking it Dicks almost as smart, Dick's is equal in strength, Dick has better gadgets, Dick has a suit that offers him protections, and Dick is faster. He take's this don't use the he'll forge out a plan, he won't be able to when Dick, who's the better fighter is in his face throwing punches and kicks. Not a lot of time to forge a plan and use the surroundings. And he usually pulls it off because of the suit, and his gadgets which are limited to that incarnation. And your underestimating Dick's intellegence, this version is still smarter, but not by a whole bunch. "

He did have fighting skill, it was shown in JL episodes where he fought and who his teachers were, so dont underrate his skill, even if its not as good as Dick, Dick is smart, but not on this Bruce's level, Bruce is also fast, dodging bullets is good for a cartoon version, and that speed alone is enough to keep up with Dick in combat, you may think he can't forge out a plan, but if you see some episodes he hids during battles to think of plans, he did this where he met another version of Batman from another version, he can escape combat for a few minutes and think, i have seen him do this, and Dick is smart, but not on Bruce's level, Dick isn't smarter here
   

" @jasraj: No he dodged bullets from a handgun, Dick dodges automatic weapon fire from multiple enemies at once, he's not on Dick's speed level dodging a hand gun, from one person. He hides during fights when he has BACK UP, something he lacks here he won't be able to hide from Dick. Dick's smart enough to know not to let him to go hide, he's superior in everyway here. He can't win this. "

Dick wins

" @jasraj: Yes and Dick is still better then him in his prime, with superior martial art's prowess. "

" @jasraj: And Dick I believe has infrared in his cowl lenses I beleive.So smoke isn't going to be much help. "

" @jasraj: He can't get away from dick because dick's faster then him. "

" @jasraj: Keep up with him in a fight until he's knocked out his batsuit isn't armor, it's cloth. Inferior gadgets and skills he can't win. "

" @jasraj: Your showing bias, he has human durability, no protection he can  be knocked out. His speed is below Dick, his thinking of a plan wont be as effective grayson is intellegent himself, and fast enough he can't get away to utilize it. And Dick is more skilled then then animated Batman. "

Name some durability feats. And Dick is alot better, bruce struggled with regular humans, he's lacking being anywhere near bruce in the comics martial arts prowess, dick learned from the comic version he's much more skilled. Human durability, no armor,inferior gadgets, and inferior skill don't let bias base  your choice,

"@nightwing91: Well he took a blast from braniac and he also had a cutting lazer in addition to electric knuckles. "

Dodging that is different from them in the comics,and dick has the better array of gadgets. And how powerful was the blast from brainiac, obviously it wasn't full powered.

"Dodging that is different from them in the comics,and dick has the better array of gadgets. And how powerful was the blast from brainiac, obviously it wasn't full powered. "

" @jasraj: As batman or nightwing? "

" @jasraj: Everything bruce has. And I believe the tazer in his finger, I've never seen Bruce use that. "

" @jasraj: He dodge'd a bullet from just several handguns.  Dick has more experience then the JLU bat's to btw. And the blast was obviously depowered from Brainiac, he's still human, it wasn't full powered. And the omega beams, are different I believe in that  universe he in all honesty never exhibits that kind of speed. And I remember return of the joker, set after JLU he's still struggling with joker, even taking a knife to the leg. Grayson is a lot more agile, and faster then this Bruce.

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He obviously hasn't been, his first crime fighting venture was during the mask of the phantasm, obviously it wasn't  that long between that and the JLU Bats.  Yes winning the fight involves being stabbed in the leg, then knocked off 20 feet yes that's a huge victory, rewatch the movie, he lost in the end. And the dodging omega beams all he did is jump off a ledge, grapple with a parademon so it was between them, not dodging them at all. They would have hit him if he hadn't put the parademon between him and the beams.

"He obviously hasn't been, his first crime fighting venture was during the mask of the phantasm, obviously it wasn't  that long between that and the JLU Bats.  Yes winning the fight involves being stabbed in the leg, then knocked off 20 feet yes that's a huge victory, rewatch the movie, he lost in the end. And the dodging omega beams all he did is jump off a ledge, grapple with a parademon so it was between them, not dodging them at all. They would have hit him if he hadn't put the parademon between him and the beams. "

" @jasraj: He didn't fight anyone I watched the clip  he dove and positioned himself below  the parademon, thats not dodging. And I was using bruce from phantasm as his first crime fighting night, to jlu was just about 15-18 years, at the max. As long as Dick has been a hero, so he has tons more experience won't fly as an argument either, "

Dick's 25 or older, he's been doing this since he was a boy. And the running dates do not equal the amount of experience he has....

"Dick's 25 or older, he's been doing this since he was a boy. And the running dates do not equal the amount of experience he has.... "

" @jasraj: No running dates aren't the set time. "

" @jasraj:  Dick "