#1 Posted by TGalinsky (230 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyond has better gadgets but Batman is smarter

#2 Posted by batmanbeyond234 (1796 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyond. Bats cant touch him. He hits him with a bunch of exploding batarangs.Plus hes cooler.
#3 Edited by gobstakid777 (1789 posts) - - Show Bio

#4 Posted by TGalinsky (230 posts) - - Show Bio
@gobstakid777: wtf is that supposed to mean
#5 Posted by Hero1 (190 posts) - - Show Bio

If there both in their prime, than batman stomps beyond.

#6 Posted by gobstakid777 (1789 posts) - - Show Bio

batman is a pedophile lol
 
some virus is spreading or whatever, and the heroes have transfered it to their partners
u see all the other heroes talk about their girlfriends, meaning the virus is spread through kiss or sex or whatever
and then bats mentions robin..

#7 Posted by Noah Kenshiki (2463 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce or Dick?

#8 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio

If its Bruce Wayne Batman then he takes it. Everything Batman Beyond has and uses was given and or created by the original Batman. He knows all of Batman Beyond's strength, tendencies, and weakness. Bruce is a tactical genius. Terry is a suit filler, nothing more.  Experience wins out over gadgets in this one.

#9 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@gobstakid777 said:
"batman is a pedophile lol  some virus is spreading or whatever, and the heroes have transfered it to their partners u see all the other heroes talk about their girlfriends, meaning the virus is spread through kiss or sex or whatever and then bats mentions robin.. "
Wrong.
#10 Posted by TGalinsky (230 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess your right

#11 Posted by WeaponX510 (1016 posts) - - Show Bio

regual batman stomps all the beyond gagets he got from bruce

#12 Posted by Phorqe (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say Beyond has a slight edge.
 
@WeaponX510:
@Gambler:
While skill and tactical prowess would go to Batman. Batman Beyond was created by Batman in the future using future tech to fight future threats.

#13 Posted by Espada (1815 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:
" If its Bruce Wayne Batman then he takes it. Everything Batman Beyond has and uses was given and or created by the original Batman. He knows all of Batman Beyond's strength, tendencies, and weakness. Bruce is a tactical genius. Terry is a suit filler, nothing more.  Experience wins out over gadgets in this one. "
Would Bruce really have the knowledge that he did of Terry in this scenario? For him to have access to it wouldn't he have to be an old man?
 
Either way, as he progressed Terry learned everything Bruce could have taught him, and while he wasn't as accomplished at fighting as his mentor, Beyond fought dirty, something the original seldom, if not never, did.
#14 Posted by Taliax (493 posts) - - Show Bio

 
I like Bruce more than Terry but...
Terry is in a suit that can fly, amplifies his strength, and can turn invisible. This is a cakewalk for Terry even if Bruce has superior intellect. He is in suit made from technology 30+ years into the future from Bruce's era.  Compare any item of tech now; cars, aircraft, weapons etc and put it up against anyone using similar range technology from thirty years ago. Having a technological advantage is huge.

#15 Posted by comic stooge (121 posts) - - Show Bio
@Taliax:

Beyonder FOR LIFE! 
Terry would rawn Bruce...because
  
"Terry is in a suit that can fly, amplifies his strength, and can turn invisible. This is a cakewalk for Terry even if Bruce has superior intellect. He is in suit made from technology 30+ years into the future from Bruce's era.  Compare any item of tech now; cars, aircraft, weapons etc and put it up against anyone using similar range technology from thirty years ago. Having a technological advantage is huge"     
 
.and Terry can fight dirty if he wants 
#16 Posted by NightFang (10255 posts) - - Show Bio

I say its a tie.

#17 Posted by burr787 (2422 posts) - - Show Bio

If BB is an adult then I can see him taking this. It's basically a low powered Iron Man vs. Batman.

#18 Posted by TGalinsky (230 posts) - - Show Bio
@burr787 said:
" If BB is an adult then I can see him taking this. It's basically a low powered Iron Man vs. Batman. "
wow. what you just said is freakin awesome
#19 Posted by Obtrusive (1656 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman will win.  Even if its old batman, he taught batman beyond everything he knows. 

#20 Posted by iLLituracy (13494 posts) - - Show Bio
@Obtrusive said:

" Batman will win.  Even if its old batman, he taught batman beyond everything he knows.  "

Student usually surpasses master.
 
For starters, even though Batman honed Terry's skill, Terry showed prowess for fighting since day one BEFORE he met Bruce and became Batman when he took on the Jokerz.

Terry is essentially Bruce Wayne. Terry is a clone of Bruce Wayne, and if I remember correctly, by the end of JLU, Terry fills Bruce's shoes nicely. Terry outclasses Bruce when it comes to the tech they use, Batman of the Future's suit is definitely the edge in this fight with it's flight capability, it's batarang launcher, it's invisibility--matter of fact, Wikipedia has a nice article with a piece on Terry's Batsuit.

The Batsuit worn by Terry is the last incarnation created by Wayne before his retirement. Though the technology in the suit is 20 years old, it is still considered cutting edge. This version of the suit has a mask which completely covers the face, the only opening being the mouth. Lens in the eyes transmit visual data to the wearer. The cape has been eliminated, being replaced by glider wings under the arms. Thrusters built into the boots allow Batman to fly in the absence of wind. For long range flight, Terry has access to a flight-capable Batmobile - while hover and flight capabilities on even civilian transports are commonplace, the wheel has not been completely phased out. The circuitry in the suit can be paralyzed from the Batcave, in case the suit is stolen.

The Batsuit conforms to the size and physique of its wearer, being able to fit both the physically imposing Wayne and the much slimmer Terry. The form-fitting material provides almost no reduction in flexibility, while muscular enhancement technology enhances the wearers strength by a factor of ten. The material in the suit is resistant to massive concussive forces (in particular, it was able to take blows from Superman), fire, lasers, electric shocks, water pressure, wind force, and even low levels of radiation. A built-in rebreather allows the user to remain underwater for long periods or breathe in other inhospitable areas.

The suit possesses a two-way audio and visual link with the Batcave computer, allowing Terry to keep in contact with Wayne for superior tactical planning. The same applies to the Batmobile, which will automatically fly to the user's location when summoned. Directional microphones in the fingertips allow the user to hear and record audio through walls or at a distance. The suit's lens can scan a number of frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum, allowing night vision among other things. However, as the suit's visual capabilities are entirely electronic, the user is effectively rendered blind if they are disrupted.

The suit has several defensive capabilities. A device on the belt can electrically charge the suit to repel close attackers. This same feature can be limited to just the hands, turning the defensive technology into an offensive one if need be. The suit also possesses a cloaking device that can render Terry invisible to the naked eye, a feature also present on the Batmobile. It cannot, however, filter ultraviolet light. Pads on the feet can be magnetically charged, allowing the user to cling to metal surfaces even when upside-down.

The suits offensive capabilities are also significant. It carries a large number of dispensable Batarangs, which when inactive are compact enough to be invisible to the naked eye. These Batarangs come with a range of auxiliary functions, such as producing electric shocks or explosions. However, there is a limit to the amount of Batarangs the Batsuit can dispense; Batman has run out on at least one occasion. In addition, the Batsuit has discs that can be fired from the tops of the hands, grappling guns in the forearms, and launchable tracers. The belt on the Batsuit carries flashbang grenades, smoke pellets, Flexicuffs, and a buzz saw on the buckle. Retractable claws on the fingers can be used to slice objects and grip solid surfaces.

Finally, the batsuit possesses a number of other devices to aid in detective work. The right index finger possesses a retractable decoding device for electronic locks, and the fingers can analyze most substances they are dipped into to. Other, less-used devices, such as frequency scanners, also make appearances.

All of this, paired with Bruce's training, Terry's natural prowess for fighting--I think he takes it, especially if this is Terry from JLU and not Batman Beyond, even though he was very well capable of doing things on his own in his own series.
 
As for Bruce building the suit and knowing what it does in this fight, he wouldn't unless this is an older Bruce. Bruce built the suit seen in Beyond to aid his body, to help him along in his old age [he does this in a few incarnations, the only one I don't remember him actually seeking aid in when he becomes old is in Frank Miller's DKR, but he usually resorts to technology to help him along]. The technology in the suit was built twenty years prior to Terry taking the mantle and was STILL considered cutting edge when he put it on, mind you, Batman built the suit when he was close to retirement.
 
Terry would know Bruce more than Bruce knows of Terry in this scenario, as well.
 
All in all, Terry wins.
#21 Posted by Maikel (374 posts) - - Show Bio
@iLLituracy: Bruce during his JLU time, vs Terry in the Episode: "Epiloque", old Bruce is still watching the screens in the Batcave. He'd shut down the suit enhancements to teach Terry a lesson and even the playing field. 
  
If Terry somehow managed to travel back in time and had to Fight Bruce in his traditional Suit, Bruce would be endlessly outclassed. Old bruce also fought once in the series in an Exo-suit, but got a heart-attack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqRATvE-gXo (and in the second part his age is reverted to in his late 40's by R'as al Gul, but Terry is only a teenager here) 
 
As for the incarnations he uses the suit in himself, yes, in DKR he fights superman, at thesame age fights Mr. Freeze in a suit that looks just like it.  Old bruce also fought once in the series in an Exo-suit(that looked nothing like the DKR-suit), but got a heart-attack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqRATvE-gXo (and in the second part his age is reverted to in his late 40's by R'as al Gul, but Terry is only a teenager here). He does seek AID in DKR from a new female Robin, or more likely she comes to his rescue.
#22 Posted by ComicStooge (13887 posts) - - Show Bio
@iLLituracy said:
" @Obtrusive said:

" Batman will win.  Even if its old batman, he taught batman beyond everything he knows.  "

Student usually surpasses master.
 
For starters, even though Batman honed Terry's skill, Terry showed prowess for fighting since day one BEFORE he met Bruce and became Batman when he took on the Jokerz.

Terry is essentially Bruce Wayne. Terry is a clone of Bruce Wayne, and if I remember correctly, by the end of JLU, Terry fills Bruce's shoes nicely. Terry outclasses Bruce when it comes to the tech they use, Batman of the Future's suit is definitely the edge in this fight with it's flight capability, it's batarang launcher, it's invisibility--matter of fact, Wikipedia has a nice article with a piece on Terry's Batsuit.

The Batsuit worn by Terry is the last incarnation created by Wayne before his retirement. Though the technology in the suit is 20 years old, it is still considered cutting edge. This version of the suit has a mask which completely covers the face, the only opening being the mouth. Lens in the eyes transmit visual data to the wearer. The cape has been eliminated, being replaced by glider wings under the arms. Thrusters built into the boots allow Batman to fly in the absence of wind. For long range flight, Terry has access to a flight-capable Batmobile - while hover and flight capabilities on even civilian transports are commonplace, the wheel has not been completely phased out. The circuitry in the suit can be paralyzed from the Batcave, in case the suit is stolen.

The Batsuit conforms to the size and physique of its wearer, being able to fit both the physically imposing Wayne and the much slimmer Terry. The form-fitting material provides almost no reduction in flexibility, while muscular enhancement technology enhances the wearers strength by a factor of ten. The material in the suit is resistant to massive concussive forces (in particular, it was able to take blows from Superman), fire, lasers, electric shocks, water pressure, wind force, and even low levels of radiation. A built-in rebreather allows the user to remain underwater for long periods or breathe in other inhospitable areas.

The suit possesses a two-way audio and visual link with the Batcave computer, allowing Terry to keep in contact with Wayne for superior tactical planning. The same applies to the Batmobile, which will automatically fly to the user's location when summoned. Directional microphones in the fingertips allow the user to hear and record audio through walls or at a distance. The suit's lens can scan a number of frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum, allowing night vision among other things. However, as the suit's visual capabilities are entirely electronic, the user is effectively rendered blind if they are disrupted.

The suit has several defensive capabilities. A device on the belt can electrically charge the suit to repel close attackers. This same feature can be limited to just the hands, turning the defensive technology into an offensive one if need be. The suit also possesses a cloaking device that can render Terry invisible to the naked eye, a feature also present on the Batmobile. It cannot, however, filter ultraviolet light. Pads on the feet can be magnetically charged, allowing the user to cling to metal surfaces even when upside-down.

The suits offensive capabilities are also significant. It carries a large number of dispensable Batarangs, which when inactive are compact enough to be invisible to the naked eye. These Batarangs come with a range of auxiliary functions, such as producing electric shocks or explosions. However, there is a limit to the amount of Batarangs the Batsuit can dispense; Batman has run out on at least one occasion. In addition, the Batsuit has discs that can be fired from the tops of the hands, grappling guns in the forearms, and launchable tracers. The belt on the Batsuit carries flashbang grenades, smoke pellets, Flexicuffs, and a buzz saw on the buckle. Retractable claws on the fingers can be used to slice objects and grip solid surfaces.

Finally, the batsuit possesses a number of other devices to aid in detective work. The right index finger possesses a retractable decoding device for electronic locks, and the fingers can analyze most substances they are dipped into to. Other, less-used devices, such as frequency scanners, also make appearances.

All of this, paired with Bruce's training, Terry's natural prowess for fighting--I think he takes it, especially if this is Terry from JLU and not Batman Beyond, even though he was very well capable of doing things on his own in his own series.  As for Bruce building the suit and knowing what it does in this fight, he wouldn't unless this is an older Bruce. Bruce built the suit seen in Beyond to aid his body, to help him along in his old age [he does this in a few incarnations, the only one I don't remember him actually seeking aid in when he becomes old is in Frank Miller's DKR, but he usually resorts to technology to help him along]. The technology in the suit was built twenty years prior to Terry taking the mantle and was STILL considered cutting edge when he put it on, mind you, Batman built the suit when he was close to retirement.  Terry would know Bruce more than Bruce knows of Terry in this scenario, as well. All in all, Terry wins. "
What he said.
#23 Posted by spiderguylll (620 posts) - - Show Bio

Terry would beat Bruce but Dick is harder to hit and seems to spot weaknesses faster than both

#24 Posted by chriss20 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

i know this is an anciant post, i just sorta come across it. just a few things id point out.

despite his advanced strength, terry couldnt match joker (in a 50yr old body) in hand to hand combat, and his cloaking device

was usless at hiding his presance from barbara and robin.

also his suit is weak to electrical pulses, and bruce often had a supply of batarangs which are electrically charged.

if bruce was in his prime, despite his advanced strengh and tek, bruce has superior fighting ability, and could take stronger hits (his fight with superman) bruce would eventually adapt to his somtimes dirty style and figure out his asissted strength, a few hits with an electro batarang and terry is out

#25 Posted by comicace3 (6585 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman takes this.

#26 Posted by dondave (38889 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman ftw

#27 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce, in his prime would beat the hell out of Terry for trying to pick a fight with him while he is in one of his own suits.

#28 Posted by Rouflex (20024 posts) - - Show Bio

One thing is sure a bat will win...

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#29 Posted by son_of_tomorrow (493 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce would win, tech means nothing to Bruce. Terry can use the suit and still lose horribly mostly because Terry never really masted any form of martial arts usually relying to heavily on the suit to pick up the slack. He got caught in camo mode so much in the tv show it was better if he didn't use it at all.Bruce is physically stronger than Terry more trained and i'm inclined to say that he could match the suit very close to it's strength performance. Remember Bruce is a physical beast, He has broken things no human should be able to,lift weights that border on low superhuman and even in his 40's or 50's he could lift massive weights and commented that he was no where near close to His prime.

#30 Posted by Art_Vandelay92 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

@burr787: Low power Batman vs Iron Man? You mean Justice Fighter vs Murder?? Terry and Iron both have pretty strong gadgets but we all know who would win that. The Batman, Bruce Wayne Batman. With Terry hes just a kid pretty much just fighting a higher powered Robin. Everyone that said Beyond can fly maybe right but Bruce has a suit that can fly and can turn invisible. With Iron Man just hit him with an emp and then an explosive and Iron is dead. If terry can play dirty, Bruce can do the same if he needed to.

#31 Edited by Art_Vandelay92 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Remember the button Bruce has to shut down other Bat suits/vehicles? Thats how Bruce Wayne will defeat Beyond.

#32 Posted by ComicStooge (13887 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce. Terry doesn't perform well against skilled opponents at all.

#33 Posted by ilikedonuts (2365 posts) - - Show Bio

I say Bruce. Bruce is superior in size, strength an' power, so in hand-to-hand combat he wins definitely. If it comes down ta gizmos an' brains though, I still say Bruce cus he knows more 'a wut he's doin'.

#34 Edited by IamTheKnight123 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

OK, First off: Batman trained Terry. He knows all his weaknesses. And get this, Terry's suit is vulnerable to shocks. Batman has several electric batarangs, if i'm not mistaken. He has detective vision, negating Terry's camo. He has taken out a freaking huge roster of villians, heck he could take down the Justice League. Terry is good, but he was overpowered by an aging Joker and relies too much on his suit. Now I know he fights dirty, but isn't that what Batman does too? He almost never fights super-humans head on, and uses a number of stealthy tactics. Stuff he taught to Terry. I woudn't be surprised if he has a back up plan to take down Terry too, in case he comes under mind control or something. And finally, Batman makes suits out of Plot armour. I for one would not like seeing a student take out his own teacher. If you're still not convinced:

He freakin' gave PROMETHEUS the motor skills of STEPHEN HAWING.

If that is not dirty, I don't know what is.

#35 Posted by coolmcginnis (8 posts) - - Show Bio

People! we will soon no longer have to argue about this as on the 12th of November in the Futures End story arc Batman and Batman Beyond are going to have a big show down!

#36 Posted by uugieboogie (2793 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't Batman have a remote shutdown for the Beyond Batsuit ?

#37 Posted by TheBattleCalculatot (367 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman .