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#51 Edited by k4tzm4n (40217 posts) - - Show Bio
@viin said:

This is pretty much the same fight as Batman vs Wolverine

If by that you mean they have healing factors and pointy objects, yes. But no, it's not the same. Just because she's a genetic twin doesn't mean they have the same experience, physicals, mindset, etc.

As much as I love you Batman, without prep time, X-23 would take you out. However, that would be one wicked battle. This was a fantastic match-up, Greg! Keep them coming and I'll keep on voting!! :D

Thank you! Happy to hear it!

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#52 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Its a weakness of his is what I meant, sorry for confusion.

#53 Posted by Teerack (5814 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Some things aren't worth any effort. Battle threads for example.

#54 Edited by k4tzm4n (40217 posts) - - Show Bio
@deathstroke19 said:

@k4tzm4n: Its a weakness of his is what I meant, sorry for confusion.

Ah, yeah, if Taskmaster stayed focused on getting the job done instead of expanding his own knowledge/taunting, he'd be a beast. It's a shame that isn't something he does too often.

@teerack said:

@k4tzm4n: Some things aren't worth any effort. Battle threads for example.

Cool!

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#55 Posted by TBEMrMcCoy (520 posts) - - Show Bio

I voted X-23. Batman gets hurts by street levelers. He is street level and only human that's why I love him so much is the under dog aspect when he faces meta humans or hordes of armed thugs.x23 tanks bullets, arm cut off, shark bites, napalm,and her most impressive being dipped into molten steel and surviving. Leopard paw or Dragon head or goat leg form or whatever kind of form can't hurt her. And in a random encounter he doesn't just walk around with every bit of tech he ever used just strapped to him or else he would walk around looking like Cable in the 90's. god the fanboys are delusional. Mommy issues.

#56 Posted by medulaoblaganda (904 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: that was funny bro!!. x 23 wins because she's fast. Faster than batman by far. Durable than batman by far.stronger than batman big time.

#57 Posted by Deadknight (635 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: No doubt, Batman would win with prep time. In all honesty, Batman could probably beat just about anyone with proper prep time. Given the random encounter however, Batman would be at a serious disadvantage. That gave X-23 the advantage in this case.

Bane for instance beat and broke Batman in their legendary first encounter, but Batman has won out against Bane on several occasions since due to a proper understanding of his opponent. Batman's experience gives him the advantage, but a lack of experience with an opponent can throw him off his game.

#58 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: No doubt, Batman would win with prep time. In all honesty, Batman could probably beat just about anyone with proper prep time. Given the random encounter however, Batman would be at a serious disadvantage. That gave X-23 the advantage in this case.

Bane for instance beat and broke Batman in their legendary first encounter, but Batman has won out against Bane on several occasions since due to a proper understanding of his opponent. Batman's experience gives him the advantage, but a lack of experience with an opponent can throw him off his game.

I admit as a Batman and JL fan, sometimes he's overrated other times it would make more sense given the writer and since he's smart and all(despite being just human)

Pretty much yeah, Batman on just random encounter can be beat much like Dr. Doom can or Lex, but if you give these guys prep they're dangerous lol. I'd like to see this match up with batman having Deathstroke's armor or perhaps having batman beyond suit, I think it would make it more interesting, not saying who'd win/lose, just be more interesting then standard Batman I think.

#60 Edited by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Yeah.

If we was written better (not necessarily better as much as to his full potential) he would be a monster.

#61 Posted by Deadknight (635 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: True, an all out fight between Batman and X-23 when they're largely aware of each others' capabilities would make for one hell of a fight.

#62 Edited by thenexusrebound (243 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course he'll lose!

Adamantium skeleton (with claws and all) and healing factor against a bunch of gadgets and some moves. There's no way Batman would ever beat X-23.

Laura only has her claws covered. One of her craziest moments was to reattach her cut off arm.

#63 Edited by reaverlation (15559 posts) - - Show Bio

Good job on @black_arrow and @wolverine08 getting the Viner Argument and good job on @k4tzm4n for another good battle of the month/week despite people claiming this should be a stomp

#64 Posted by Wolverine08 (41061 posts) - - Show Bio
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#65 Edited by HushoftheWind (886 posts) - - Show Bio

if Batman was at the start of his career then yeah i would say he would lose against X-23, but the man has been through a lot in his super hero career from facing white martians to fighting regenerative talons in the recent Court of Owls for people to say Batman is nothing his first encounters ludicrous. Its almost like Batman leaves the cave as a blank sheet of paper every night and have no on the fly adaptable against a new foe. Im pretty sure he earned the title "World's Greatest Detective" for a reason.

On a side note X-23 is one of my favorite female heroines and not to mention my gf favors her also so yaaay for Laura. I would to see how Laura would fair against Captain America or Black Panther.

#66 Posted by senglord (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

Found this while surfing the web: five minutes ago

Batman the dark knight #1 has him using a multi wavelength scanner in his cowl to see a hidden safe through a painting. There was a lot of debate about Bats seeing Laura's metal claws before they fought. Not that it was going to change the outcome of the votes. Just saying even without prep Batman would not have a total blank to go against.

He was never known for just letting someone stab him. Making all the claws a semi known variable. He still would only find out how sharp they were by getting stabbed or deeply slashed.

#67 Edited by CyberWarrior (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

No! I can't see that pic! Put it away! Put it away! My eyes!! Nooooooo!!!

#68 Edited by Darkchild (40624 posts) - - Show Bio
#69 Edited by Shallbecomeabattoo (367 posts) - - Show Bio

I really hate the anti Batman bias in the comicvine community and the weapon argument. It was the same thing when it was movie Batman vs. movie Dredd. "Dredds gun is too much for Batman to handle. He even has phosphor grenades." And this time its Laura's claws...

Like he never fought someone with a high tech gun or claws before. He would stomp X-23 (and Dredd for that matter) pretty much every time. She has NOTHING he hasn't seen and dealt with before and beat much deadlier opponents on a first fight.

Also, the argument that some characters willing to kill is an advantage over the Bat is ridiculous. To be as skilled a fighter as Batman and then to use all those skills (which are all originally deadly forms of fighting) WITHOUT killing the opponent reauires a MUUUUUUUUUUUUCH higher skill level than people who are willing to kill.

#70 Posted by TheJedinator13 (33 posts) - - Show Bio

@redwingx said:

Batman is so overrated, he would easily lose to X-23. Like what could hurt her that Batman has? Her claws would slice his body apart in matters of seconds.

so so so utterly true :) been saying this for years

#71 Posted by RisingBean (3862 posts) - - Show Bio

You know what I don't get? How is it one clean connect from Wolverine or X-23 can be a game changer in peoples eyes when say a shield hit from Captain America won't be.

Just boggles my mind.

#72 Posted by FireThunder (41 posts) - - Show Bio

BUT...BUT...he is batman...

#73 Posted by lombard240 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman uses his brains. beat the heck out of X-23. Batman uses KO gas

#75 Posted by worldFlash (42 posts) - - Show Bio

All the marvel people say that dc fans overate their hero's, but from looking at this I can say that it is even worse over at the marvel fan circle, other wise known as Apokolips. Saying that x-23 would beat Batman is like saying that Nightwing can beat Wolverine. It is so arrogant and if you have ever read a batman comic you would know that Batman has faced people who could take a nuclear explosion and survive, while Wolverine has trouble against a bunch of prehistoric birds.

#76 Posted by akbogert (3216 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

Laura obviously isn't as skilled as Bruce

And I declare shenanigans :P

Especially (and I just rechecked...as far as I can tell, you did not clarify) if we're talking New 52, because Bruce has not been Batman as long as Laura was in training, nevermind all her real-world missions and experience as well.

If we're talking pre-Flashpoint, that becomes a lot less disagreeable of a statement, but I still don't think "obviously" works. I guess that's the trouble with comparing apples and oranges though -- how you count "experience" or skill.

But like I said, especially if this was current Batman, Laura has like triple the years of experience.

#77 Posted by k4tzm4n (40217 posts) - - Show Bio

@akbogert said:

@k4tzm4n said:

Laura obviously isn't as skilled as Bruce

And I declare shenanigans :P

Especially (and I just rechecked...as far as I can tell, you did not clarify) if we're talking New 52, because Bruce has not been Batman as long as Laura was in training, nevermind all her real-world missions and experience as well.

If we're talking pre-Flashpoint, that becomes a lot less disagreeable of a statement, but I still don't think "obviously" works. I guess that's the trouble with comparing apples and oranges though -- how you count "experience" or skill.

But like I said, especially if this was current Batman, Laura has like triple the years of experience.

Seeing as New 52 Batman's timeline is a hot mess and doesn't make all that much sense (he's been Batman for merely 5 years, yet Damian is 10? Say whaaaaa?), this segment takes pre-52 Batman's skill and experience into account unless the material has been blatantly stated as no longer being canon. Because, truth be told, they seem to be making adjustments as they go. For example, they say the events of Knightfall happened, so we know Batman has endured that ridiculous gauntlet with little sleep and such. Basically, it's for simplicity's sake because clearly, the first and foremost objective behind the New 52 was to grab new readers. Worrying about the technicalities behind what is and isn't canon for some seems to come later. However, I've always seen it as this Batman is supposed to be as skilled as smart as he should be. Sorry for not clarifying that in the article itself. As for me saying Batman is "obviously" more skilled, I mean in terms of hand-to-hand technique. He simply knows more and can apply more methods. Now, that's not a jab at X-23 by any means, because, like stated in the article, she's been trained to be swift and effective. But if we had to rank them in "fighting say" (say, like on a trading card), I think we can agree Bruce would have a higher ranking.

All the marvel people say that dc fans overate their hero's, but from looking at this I can say that it is even worse over at the marvel fan circle, other wise known as Apokolips. Saying that x-23 would beat Batman is like saying that Nightwing can beat Wolverine. It is so arrogant and if you have ever read a batman comic you would know that Batman has faced people who could take a nuclear explosion and survive, while Wolverine has trouble against a bunch of prehistoric birds.

Can we please stop this mentality when approaching battles?

  • Just because someone sides with a Marvel character doesn't mean they're on "team Marvel." It's possible to put favoritism aside and look purely at the pros and cons each bring to the table.
  • Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they haven't read "a Batman comic." If you think Batman wins, say why. Don't just complain and make baseless statements -- that proves nothing and will only get Viners to dogpile on your purposely offensive claims.
  • You have to see you're doing exactly what you're complaining about, right? You're saying people are underselling Batman, but then you're completely reducing Wolverine to someone who has trouble against dinosaurs -- not to mention he too has survived massive explosions.
  • Long story short: think Batman should win this? Say why. Vague insults aren't going to convince anyone and only hurt the quality of your post. We're talking about fictional characters fighting -- there's zero need to sling mud like that.

I really hate the anti Batman bias in the comicvine community and the weapon argument. It was the same thing when it was movie Batman vs. movie Dredd. "Dredds gun is too much for Batman to handle. He even has phosphor grenades." And this time its Laura's claws...

Batman wins: SICK OF BATMAN BIAS.

Batman loses: SICK OF ANTI-BATMAN BIAS.

He'll win some, he'll lose some. No need to throw around claims just because you're not happy with the result. The thought of him losing in a random encounter to someone like X-23 is hardly far-fetched. How about we be happy there was a good debate and it's at least fun to think about?

You know what I don't get? How is it one clean connect from Wolverine or X-23 can be a game changer in peoples eyes when say a shield hit from Captain America won't be.

Just boggles my mind.

People say that? I don't know anyone who thinks that Rogers landing a clean shield hit wouldn't turn the fight in his favor. Sure, it may wouldn't KO Bruce (depending on where it hits, that is), but it certainly gives him a couple of seconds of advantage. In fact, I think I said something nearly identical to that when it was Batman vs. Cap and I called it too close to call for that very reason.

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#78 Posted by TheHeat (451 posts) - - Show Bio

How is it that Batman would lose to X-23, yet defeat Deadpool? I think Deadpool would do more damage to Bats than X-23 would.

#79 Posted by RisingBean (3862 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Many people really low ball the shield. It's quite ridiculous.

I'm with you on this one. Too close to call. Cap has the shield and the physicals while Batman has the technique and versatility in expanded gear. Flip a coin whenever they meet up.

#80 Posted by Wolverine08 (41061 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Many people really low ball the shield. It's quite ridiculous.

I'm with you on this one. Too close to call. Cap has the shield and the physicals while Batman has the technique and versatility in expanded gear. Flip a coin whenever they meet up.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think people often grasp just how dangerous a weapon the shield is. It's not a toy, it decapitates tank turrets on a regular day.

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#82 Edited by VMole (621 posts) - - Show Bio

You know what I don't get? How is it one clean connect from Wolverine or X-23 can be a game changer in peoples eyes when say a shield hit from Captain America won't be.

Just boggles my mind.

I didn't catch that part, I always assumed that a cleanly connected shield slap or throw would KO Batman just as much as a claw stab from Wolverine.

#83 Edited by RisingBean (3862 posts) - - Show Bio

@vmole: with real world physics it would. Even with consistent comics physics. I mean he can decapitate a tank but can't kill a person by clobbering them in the head? Comics!

@wolverine08: Indeed. So it surprises me when people give 23 the majority and not Cap. It's sorta like a game of paper rock scissors.

#84 Edited by k4tzm4n (40217 posts) - - Show Bio

@theheat said:

How is it that Batman would lose to X-23, yet defeat Deadpool? I think Deadpool would do more damage to Bats than X-23 would.

Well, I'd recommend reading the article to see why I think Batman could take a slim majority over Wade instead of simply using ABC logic ;)

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#85 Posted by VMole (621 posts) - - Show Bio

@vmole: with real world physics it would. Even with consistent comics physics. I mean he can decapitate a tank but can't kill a person by clobbering them in the head? Comics!

@wolverine08: Indeed. So it surprises me when people give 23 the majority and not Cap. It's sorta like a game of paper rock scissors.

lol I figured that the whole decap thing was because that Steve doesn't go in with a killer's mentality by default, so he typically doesn't swing with the requisite force to casually decap someone.

Now if it were morals off on the other hand, yeah, I can see that shield taking his head, and whatever else Batman tries to catch it with, off super easy.

#86 Posted by Wolverine08 (41061 posts) - - Show Bio

@risingbean: Eh, I think you need to look at things deeper than that. X-23 has some advantages over Batman that Cap doesn't. People already mentioned how Bruce might not unload every single heavy hitting gadget he has on Laura since she looks like a teenager, and won't know how much damage can kill her. She can also unlike Cap soak copious amounts of Bruce's lower grade gear due to the healing factor. I'd put my money on Cap over X-23 in a fight any day of the week, but I can see why people would say Laura beats Bats, but Steve doesn't.

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#87 Posted by RisingBean (3862 posts) - - Show Bio

@vmole: Even without a killers mentality any street leveler hit with the shield should go down. Imagine being hit with a baseball bat in the head. Yeah, it'd be worse then that.

@wolverine08: So she wins via the honeytrap tactical approach. I suppose it makes sense. Though I think I still would give Bruce the majority myself.

#88 Edited by k4tzm4n (40217 posts) - - Show Bio

@vmole: Even without a killers mentality any street leveler hit with the shield should go down. Imagine being hit with a baseball bat in the head. Yeah, it'd be worse then that.

@wolverine08: So she wins via the honeytrap tactical approach. I suppose it

makes sense. Though I think I still would give Bruce the majority myself.

:D

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#89 Edited by akbogert (3216 posts) - - Show Bio

@theheat said:

How is it that Batman would lose to X-23, yet defeat Deadpool? I think Deadpool would do more damage to Bats than X-23 would.

I'm now interested to see who people would expect to win in a fight between X-23 and Deadpool.

#91 Posted by RisingBean (3862 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: I hate you so much.

Ok. Maybe I should have said that it would split your head open like a bat would in the real world?

I dunno. Comics!

#93 Posted by TommyJones1945 (749 posts) - - Show Bio

Tis a sad result. I probably should have made a good argument for Bats.

#95 Edited by senglord (1459 posts) - - Show Bio

@tbemrmccoy: the cryogenic would incapacitate. The eye slits have multiple wavelength scanning which can detect metal. And his gear would provide some protection from an indirect hit. Throw in his sonics trashing an attacker's balance and equilibrium, and you have a legit match. I still remember reading Wolverine fighting Sauron in a live volcano. The melting point of steel is less than that of lava. And that fight went on for a while. If I hear about how her HF is better because everyone says so one more time, I will spam demands for scans of her taking things that would KILL Wolverine. And we already know that her HF can be overtaxed. Some of the support for Laura seems like fan-crush. She is not in Logan's league. Stop showing panels of other characters saying so. And get the wolverine bone claw scans to compare.

BTW, the Sauron fight was during the Bone claw years.

No, it was not. I read that in the 1990s and thought it was current. Mundad must have raged. It looked new. Lol.

The sxanner is in his visor, and the cryo os standard in new 52. making Batman supporters not rabid fanboys. We are comic readers that have seen tools that could take down someone like Laura.

And Random thought for a battle, Captain Cold vs spiderman

#96 Posted by MaxSchreck (98 posts) - - Show Bio

Kinda gets on my nerves how Batman fans in general have a bad rep because of a few fundamentalists among us . Maybe I should change my avatar ....

First I wanted to make an argument in favor of Batman , saying that he could win this fight pretty easily if he uses tranqzuillizer darts / batarangs , which are low tech , he already used in year one and he probably carries around with him even when he doesn´t have prep time , but X-23 has a chemical immunity that would probably render this gadget useless .

So yeah , Batman would lose this one , which is not a shame since X-23 is pretty badass . I like the describtion of the fight by Corey xD Really awesome . The fight might even end a bit quicker , though if Batman thinks X-23 is just a Kid and tries to take her out with his tranquillizer Batarangs first like in my theory.

#97 Posted by addikhabbo (156 posts) - - Show Bio

BATMAN LOSERS