Batman Battle of the Month Results: Batman vs. Cyclops

I personally disagree a bit with the end result,but at the same time I think it was fair.....that makes no sense,I know.

Anyway,I think that viner argument kinda underestimates Wolverine's skills and just labels him as a mindless brute....something certain writers tend to put him as.

I still think Cyke would win,but at the same time I think Batman will keep his distance (and enough distance) and use stealth.....

gah. Curse my ambivalence.

All I know is,this is close for either combatant.

I think I agree more with k4tzm4ns argument.....as usual

Well, who would have thought, the popular guy won.

An umbrella can help keep rain off of a person just fine, but baseball-sized hail is going to ruin the umbrella and idiot underneath it, Batman attempting to block Cyke's optic blast would be like trying to raise his cape against a speeding truck, it's just going to floor him. The environment is the only thing Batman can use to even get within hitting distance of Cyclops, but unless Scott is holding the idiot ball, he would conceivably remove any potential for Batman to mitigate his range advantage by either going into a relatively open area or blowing away possible cover or concealment.

This isn't a match-up against someone like Cap who has the options of being able to dodge and tank his shots in order to close the gap, Batman has to count on Scott not hitting him once, period.

In the poll, yes. In my verdict, it's too close to call.

Batman would so kick Scott's ass

@k4tzm4n: Thanks for the mention Gregg.

@god_spawn Please forgive me for arguing against Cyclops on this one! It is a very close fight that could go either way ... and especially as Gregg mentioned pending environment and context. But Scott's abilities are literally painted all over his face, and I can't see a quasi well written Bruce Wayne not catching on to that and reacting immediately to counter and get in close.

BECAUSE HE'S BATMAN.

As suspected the invincible Batman with his 15 or 12 years of mastering every fighting style ,military strategy, Phd in every science won it. Now i hope he will cross to the Marvel Universe and beat a famous devoureur of world aka Galactus with his prep he can do anything.

@super_soldierxii: No reason to apologize. I think Cyclops would take the majority myself, but I do agree it could go either way depending on their respective advantages.

Yeah, it's one of those coin toss battles pending circumstance and environment. Scott gets in the first lick, Bruce is out. Batman manages to react first, using pellets, misdirection then hand to hand, and it's a bad day for Scott.

I will say, Scott's hand to hand is underrated. Highly underrated.

Even Though I'm an X-men fan to the core and despise Batman, I agree with the outcome. Cyke Is a great leader, but he was taken down by a powerless Storm. I think he relies too much on his power as an advantage, and underestimates those who don't have any. Batman could easily take advantage of that.

@_spider_man_: Cameron hodge had ruby quartz armor early on in the X-Factor comics

Lol. I'm the Viner in question ... and when you get to know me on the Vine, you'll find the irony in your comment. :)

Just ask my brother in claws @god_spawn

Leave him, he's fresh and young, not yet aged and calloused by the thinly veiled Spider-Man vs Wolverine debates that go on all the time on battle forums.

@laflux: Lol

Oh god I would never go there!

@super_soldierxii lol Sorry if I assumed

It just seemed as if you kinda labelled wolverine as an unskillful brute,however that may just be me reading too much into it. So,again,I apologize if I misunderstood and incorrectly assumed :)

@cameron83:

No problem at all. To clarify, the point was Wolverine is not notorious for thinking through a fight. He lunges into the fray claws out (how many artist's renderings of this famous pose of Logan's are in existence at this point is anyone's guess). He does this knowing, win lose or draw, that he is not in any real danger (most of the time).

Master Po has chastised Wolverine for charging into a hail of bullets, for example, when he could have avoided them and this despite having mastered 28 different forms of Kung Fu ... but later noted that Logan does so because A) he can and B) it expedites the butt whoopin whilst at the same time intimidating his adversaries (I mean, how unnerving would it be to unload your gun into a wild charging mutant with claws to no effect?).

In other words, Wolverine's healing factor, his durability, have grown to become part and parcel of his fighting style. Without it, it's like he has to go back and relearn, reintegrate a whole new approach.Folks like Batman depend on avoidance to survive and have integrated that into their fighting style far more so than Wolverine.

It doesn't make him any less skilled per se. But certainly less apt to avoid damage. Recently, Black Panther noted this under Cornell's writing, in a way I cannot help but agree with, that Wolverine has grown too dependent, too used, to his healing factor over the decades. So much so, that he needs to relearn to fight effectively without it. It's become one with his fighting style ... his technique has developed around it.

I was not trying to intimate that Wolverine was not skilled or solely one dimensional (despite some writer's attempts to make him so).

Ah,thank you for clearing that up. I wasn't really upset with you,but I was just wondering.

I think I agree with this post. Hopefully in this new arc Wolverine can refine his skills because what you say is true,he HAS grown too dependent on his power. In fact,it's funny because in the new Infinity issue,he literally jumped at Corvus Glave and was stabbed and went down. He's kinda a jobber now. He DOES rely too much on his healing factor.

I think I agree with everything you said.

Again,thanks for the elaboration.

@cameron83: My pleasure.

I don't think the actually fight would last nearly as long as the debate did - from either side.

As far as the realism of Batman - I can totally see it. But then again I'm an artist so, for me, imagination is oft time truer than reality, perceptually anyway. With the Bat, the character is meant to be seen as a relentless, single-mindled, perfect crimefighter - mind and body. I suppose this is why his parents were taken away from him at such an early age ( between 11~13 yrs old ) to allow for a boy to 'realistically' become that man.

And that isn't to say he stopped learning after he became Batman. Which leads me to my point as a whole - He's Batman. He's that one guy at actually pulled it off. He's that one guy, that shot in the dark, that didn't die from a radioactive spider bite but was given miraculous super powers; he's that one space alien that looks like a perfect WASP male - but with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. It's like what Tony Stark told Bruce Banner in the Avengers movie, "that much gamma exposure should have killed you, [realistically speaking]", but instead in that fictional universe, the have a Hulk.

But, this is why I think Batman is quite realistic compared to most super-powered characters: if a 64 year old woman can swim from Cuba to Florida, or a man can run 100 meters in under 10 seconds - while we have yet to witness actual superpowers - then I can see a boy dedicating his life to becoming the ultimate man and actually achieving it.

@jwalser3: there's nobody in the marvel universe that can beat batman, I made this assessment based upon the following facts.:1. Batman has bested everybody at one point or another in the D.C. Universe, and since most Marvel characters are rip-offs (albeit summers' is an exception) of D.C.'s heroes I don't see them fairing much better. 2. U could put summers against batman in an open space, but his suit is made to withstand heavy arms and artillery fire, however the concussive blast would likely render him stunned if not unconscious momentarily. But he has a contingency for everything, EVERYTHING....I have pondered this for a while, but I could not envision a single

@k4tzm4n: Not sure how many people get into Forgotten Realm comics here (Static_Shock being one of the few I've seen, and he's gone now). But here are a few I think would be a nice match for the bat:

Forgotten Realms List:

• Wulfgar
• Artemis Entreri
• Drizzt Do'Urden

Pictures here

That's about all there.

Other fun battles:

• Conan the Barbarian (Marvel / Dark Horse)
• Cable (Classic) (Marvel) - Back when he was a bit more limited
• Owlman (DC)
• Saberooth (Marvel)
• Forge (Marvel)

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Well I voted for Cyke, but I'm not upset at the outcome. Batman winning is really just kinda what he does so it's neither surprise nor point of contention. As much as I liked Cyclops, there's no dishonor in losing to the Batman.

great debate.

I still think batman can go die in his little brooding hole.

I vote for Cyclops. It's an obvious win for Bat's.

much repect for Cyclops. Never thought it would be this close. Not with the 2 meeting just meeting and fighting. I figured Batman would land slide Cyclops. Guess this was more of a Marvel vs DC thing. Still. Much props to Cyclops. Without a gameplan, I figured Batman all the way, with a game plan, then Cyclops would do better because Cyclops is no dummy. Still tho. WOW!

@god_spawn: -throws fuel to the fire-

Was that Cyclops dodging fully automatic gunfire from multiple targets at near point blank range? -gasps-

@alurvelve: Clearly the pickles are the real star there! Pickles>>Cyclops in bullet dodging.

@god_spawn: Should of been celery. lol

I even tried to point out Bats reaching h2h against Scott isn´t an instant win but nobody listens to you as long as you are under 1.000 posts....luckily i am near that number and from that moment on.....BOOM i will be important!

It's not that adamantium is hard to find, just expensive as hell to make so usually the loaded have it or someone who stole it...or someone that works for the govt. idk what's the deal with ruby quartz lol

Really enjoyed this - the outcome seems fair, considering the powerful debating that went on.

It was almost too good to be true. Plenty of comments, lots of sound arguments, disputes tended to short themselves out fairly quickly, and no one derailed the thread.

Love Batman but cmon. Cyclops would totally toast him. -_- Batman Fanboys

Gregg I liked your old does batman always win better. Because it was based on your opinion and you gave good facts on which of the combatants would take the edge. This is just the peoples vote no facts, no edges nothing. So gregg can we please bring back the old ones please.

You can beat Batman if any one of the following is true:

1. You are immune to or can defend against anything he can conceal in his belt.
2. Your sole attack or weapon is not a ranged one - this includes, lasers, energy bolts, arrows, guns/bullets, boomerangs, rocks, darts, knives, etc.
3. You can easily lay hands on him (physically or mentally).
4. You can easily withstand (edit*: or prevent) him laying hands on you.
5. You have "eyes behind your head" i.e. radar, heightened awareness, psychic powers.
6. You can inhibit his movements.

The more true statements another character has, the easier they beat Batman; the more false statements, the harder it is to beat Batman.

@super_soldierxii: Congrats on being the argument of the week. Even if I disagree with you.

Hey thanks. Tis a close fight, so I have no problems with folks disagreeing. Good arguments can be made for both sides.

@floopay said:

@k4tzm4n: Not sure how many people get into Forgotten Realm comics here (Static_Shock being one of the few I've seen, and he's gone now). But here are a few I think would be a nice match for the bat:

Forgotten Realms List:

• Wulfgar
• Artemis Entreri
• Drizzt Do'Urden

Pictures here

That's about all there.

Other fun battles:

• Conan the Barbarian (Marvel / Dark Horse)
• Cable (Classic) (Marvel) - Back when he was a bit more limited
• Owlman (DC)
• Saberooth (Marvel)
• Forge (Marvel)

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

I agree with the Realmsmen. I think Artemis would be a great foil for Batman. Look Floo, you found another FR fan on the vine!

I don't know if you followed the debate, but I don't think so. Also, the fact that you think that Cyclops has "only one basic attack" goes to show that you don't know the character.

You, sir/miss, absolutely DO know what you are talking about. Props.

Soooooooo rigged!!

A character with the exact same intellect, gadgets, fighting skills, personallity, etc than Batman, but NOT named Batman would lose this (and probably others too) soooooooo much...

"Does anyone else really miss that '90s costume?"

I don't hate it.

I like the X-Factor costume.

@granitesoldier: That makes a total of 3 of us that are active. You, myself, and Joygirl.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

not gonna lie, i expected this. i still voted for Cyke but i did expect this.

one of the thing i love about this site is the is the forum for debate. in my hometown theres only a small comic community, @death_by_smoke and i talk about comics all the time but have pretty similar thoughts so its nice to see opinions that differ from ours

Artemis would have to be stripped for his fabled Jeweled dagger and Charon's Claw for it to be a match. Either of those weapons is a game changer, and just one nick could end it.