Batman (Arkhamverse) vs Captain America (MCU)

@eyedcyou: That's not really great logic. Cap is faster, more agile and more skilled than those characters in addition to being stronger. Not saying batman loses but cap isn't compareable to bane, croc or grundey.

Batman.

MCU Cap is not stronger than Arkham Bane... But OK, Batman has also beaten Deathstroke, Ra's, & Jason Todd.

Batman takes all three

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Batman wins in a good fight .

Batman all rounds easy. Arkhamverse bats is insane.

Captain America.

@imperfect_cell:

How?

You'd think whoever wins the 'no bloodlust' round would win the 'bloodlust' round.

@clownprinceofcrime1995: I'll tell you how:

• More durable(tanked hits from the Winter Soldier, who was able to punch a hole through solid pavement, kept fighting even after being shot multiple times)
• Bullet dodger
• Stronger(smashed a car with a motorcycle throw, held a car from falling for a few seconds)
• Strikes harder(sent a guy flying 5 meters with a simple kick)
• Shield advantage(able to knock out multiple HYDRA soldiers with one shield throw, cut clean through steel and other metals)
• Although not as skilled, he has shown to know a deegre of martial arts

Sure, Batman is fast, but he still has problem with featless big brutes who most likely aren't as durable as Cap. Couple that with what i said above, and you have the winner.

@CuteLittleCat:

In arkham origins bats took a hit from bane in TN-1. And was knocked through a wall but was only briefly dazed. I thought that might count for something

Batman got hurt really bad when that happened and admitted he would die if he took a couple more of those punches.

@cutelittlecat: he lost a bit of balance but he didn't cry about it, matter of fact I think he looked pissed off. And I don't think he admitted that, but if you'd show me that'd be great

My bad, Alfred said that Bane would reach full potency in 10 minutes and oneshot Batman. And the feat you presented never happened, Batman just exploded the floor surrounding himself and Bane.

@cutelittlecat:

Tanked hits from Bane, Titan Enhanced Bane, Titan soilders, Titan Joker, TN-1 Bane, Deathstroke, Killer Croc, various explosions etc and gunfire. He's also KO'd Bane multiple times and punched Killer Croc out as well as deathstroke.

When did cap ever dodge a bullet? He just shields them.

Batman lifted venom enhanced bane and can pull down walls.

Batman kicks and punches people considerable distances too.

He has nowhere near the amount of fighting feats as batman and none that are as good.

Batman can easily avoid the shield

@cutelittlecat: I wasn't referring to that instance but it's still a good feat nonetheless, I was talking about later when he got hit 3 times and went flying through the wall

@redatom1234:

Also in all the arkham games he shows durability as he is fighting constantly all night. Including after scrapping with bane more than once.

Correction: Alfred said Bane will reach full potency within 10 minutes, he did NOT say Bane would one-shot Batman, however he did say Bane will become unstoppable.

Correction #2: Near the end of the battle, Bane threw Batman 20 feet into a concrete wall. Then Bane got in three full blown punches before sending Batman through the wall. I think that's the instance Redatom1234 was referring to.

Cap stomps since he's twice as strong, has beaten notable fighters, and actually has speed feats.

Lol. No.

Arkham Batman sweeps, maybe loses round one, but unlikely. Better feats, and once his gadgets come into play, it becomes a stomp.

Batman sweeps !

@nickzambuto:

When was he shown to be twice as strong?

What skilled fighters has be beaten that have feats? Hawkeye? Black widow? No! The featless guy on the boat? Yes! He lost to winter soldier twice and only lived because Bucky held back.

Arkham Batman wins

Comparable strength, but Arkham Batman is faster und a lot more skilled. With Gadgets he wins almost easy

Batman.

Batman has more gadgets and knows 100 martial arts

Not a fair fight in the slightest. Bats takes each round. MCU Cap doesn't really have what it takes to defeat Arkham or comic book Batman. Maybe Batfleck vs. MCU Cap will be more of a fair fight. We'll see.

@playswithsquirrels:

You mean Bat "I fight with WW and Supes on an even footing"fleck?

I know resurrecting month-old threads is generally frowned upon. I was just wondering if after four months society had advanced to the point where this epic batwankery is deemed as primitive as it should be.

@mk39: You have a prejudice sprung forth for no reason other than the fact that fans of Batman have different opinions than yours.

@om4zd: Differing opinions I can deal with. Knee-jerk dismissiveness on the other hand...

Batman wins all rounds because of the insane arkham feats that puts him above Captain America in the MCU.

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@clownprinceofcrime1995: Are you forgetting that batman has a shield disarm move in the games so what's stoping him of doing the same to cap or use the same tactics that he used on opponents with shields.

@dottiestmoon:

Plus his fight with slade

Batman stomps MCU Cap.

1: Batman

2: Captain America

3:Captain America

@clownprinceofcrime1995: It's been calculated by a famous youtube science channel called Vsauce based on the marvel movies that a shield throw from cap is equal to a heavyweight boxer punch so if you ask me a shield throw would be ineffective especially for a guy who shrug off hits from superhuman or is covered in a liquid armored/titanium suit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGBID5G2RB0

@dottiestmoon:

I'm for batman why are you telling me this? XD

@clownprinceofcrime1995: Just wanna let you know these things just incase you want to refute someone else.

@dottiestmoon:

Ah, I tend not to use you tubers though because their math is nearly always wrong

@destinyman75: lol MCU fanboy

@clownprinceofcrime1995: Vsauce is actually a popular channel with like 9 million subscribers with a good history of cals but if you disagree I can't help you there.

@dottiestmoon:

So is game theory though and they make wrong assumptions quiet a lot

@team_sigma: lol nah just think cap wins with the shield. Without I give batman the edge

@destinyman75: hahah fair enough xD

@clownprinceofcrime1995: These guys are more experienced and are actual physicist. Amway I find game/film theory halve reliable and disagree a lot of their things. They relied too much on assumption.

@dottiestmoon:

Well comparing the shield to a heavyweight boxers punch is wrong at a glance :/

@clownprinceofcrime1995 said:

Agreed. This its a flawed comparison. They may have similar amounts of kinetic energy, but the similarities stop there. One of the main differences is that the approx. 1000J of energy that a boxers punch has is being dispersed over a surface area of about 8-9in^2. Where the shield would have the same amount of energy but the energy would be transferred into a much smaller point of contact (the shield's edge) which he is not taking into account.

Impact force highly rely's on how fast or how long it takes for the object that hits something to slow down.

For example.

Would you rather a brick hit your head traveling at 3 m/s (approx 10mph)?

Or

Would you rather a soccer ball hit your head traveling at 25m/s (about 55mph)? (Average speed a pro Soccer ball player kicks a ball is 60mph btw.)

They both produce around the same amount of KE and have a similar contact surface area, but the soccer ball has a much smaller amount of impact force because when it hits something it transfers the amount of KE energy applied over further amount of time and distance. It has much more give which slows down the rate at which the force is transferred. Similar to boxing gloves, air bags in cars or why cars have now been engineered to crumble. Where as when a brick hits you, the energy is transferred almost instantly. The brick would have much higher impact force and more pressure per square inch. It would very likely crack your skull.

The shield is similar to a brick (transfers energy almost instantly)

Lets say the shield hit something hard and after impact it only traveled another .1 meters (about 4 inches). In the video posted he said he calculated the shield to be traveling with 920J of kinetic energy I believe.

Force = Energy/Distance.

That means that if the shield hit something and only traveled another 3 inches, then it would have an impact force of 9200N or 2,068 lbs of force. That's about 600 lbs of force more then a heavy weight boxer punch, all concentrated on the edge of the shield (which is roughly a 1/4 inch thick with a 30" diameter.)

So if the shield hit a hard object with the length of 4 inches around its edge that would roughly be 1in^2. Which would be 2,068psi.

Compare that to a hard hitting heavy weight who hits with approximate 1,400 force pounds. Pressure = Force/Area.

Average surface area of a fist is around 8.5 in^2. So A boxers punch is only putting out 160 pounds per square inch.

So if the contact area of the shield is small, its producing a lot of pressure.