Batman and Wolverine vs Spiderman

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                    @Edgeworth_11 said:

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                    Just incase you guys didn't know, Wolverine trades blows with Hulk.

                   

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So what, he's been shotgunned in the nuts by the punisher.  Spider-man can hit him in all of his vital joints, and areas. He could literally grab his balls and tear them out and Wolverine would probably get KOed if SPider-man wanted to.  But most likely, a very accurate punch to the tempo will KO wolverine. 

                   

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Meh i conciede. I originally gave it to Spider-man but still morals are on just fighting to the best of their abilities. And with Logan and Bruce both being a tactical genius, i know Bruce is from a different world, but Logan has and would know how to deal with Spider-man and has in the past, both can atleast maybe map something out especially with Bruce's new toys as of late could distract spidey.

" Meh i conciede. I originally gave it to Spider-man but still morals are on just fighting to the best of their abilities. And with Logan and Bruce both being a tactical genius, i know Bruce is from a different world, but Logan has and would know how to deal with Spider-man and has in the past, both can atleast maybe map something out especially with Bruce's new toys as of late could distract spidey. "

@SlimJ87D:
If Spidey was bloodlusted, he would probably border on untouchable. But still could only score a very temporary KO or incapacitation via webbing. Let's make both full capacity, high end showings only, and I'd say Wolverine.

Spiderman would win a majority only through incapacitation if bloodlusted. But ultimately lose if he chose to go hand to hand for any length of time.

" Sorry, but like me and others have said, WOlverine takes punches from Hulk who is MUCH more stronger than Hulk. Spidy's punches would probably tickle Logan and sorry to say this Spidy fans but Logan just needs one punch with claws out and its over. "

" The point is Spidy can reallyt hurt Wolverine period. "

" @Edgeworth_11 said:

" The point is Spidy can reallyt hurt Wolverine period. "

No, that is not the point. Wolverine has been stopped before. Multiple times but people that Spider-man would stomp like Sabretooth. It just takes blood loss and blows to vital areas to KO Wolverine. You act like he's never loss a fight before or has been stopped.  "

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                    @Edgeworth_11 said:

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                    Sorry, but like me and others have said, WOlverine takes punches from Hulk who is MUCH more stronger than Hulk. Spidy's punches would probably tickle Logan and sorry to say this Spidy fans but Logan just needs one punch with claws out and its over.

                   

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Sorry, buy you're the only one that is trying to use his blows from the Hulk. I already asked you what did that show at all? It just showed he is hard to kill. It doesn't add anything to your argument. It would have if they were in a cage and the fight was to the death and death only. It doesn't back up your argument about him being incapacitated or KOed here, because that all any of them have to do to win. 

@Ramtha07 said: 

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                    @Edgeworth_11 said: 

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                    Just incase you guys didn't know, Wolverine trades blows with Hulk.

                    

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So what, he's been shotgunned in the nuts by the punisher.  Spider-man can hit him in all of his vital joints, and areas. He could literally grab his balls and tear them out and Wolverine would probably get KOed if SPider-man wanted to.  But most likely, a very accurate punch to the tempo will KO wolverine. 

                    

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Spidey can't fight. Doesn't know pressure points. Doesn't know where to strike where it hurts. He relies on his powerset; speed, agility, reflexes, strength and, most importantly, his spidersense. He ain't no hand to hand specialist. Wolverine can, in all probability, solo this. I say this based as much on their comic book battles as the fact Logan soaks Peter's blows with ease. With a smile on his face actually. Well placed blow ain't happening. Logan is getting low balled lately on the Vine. Spiderman is awesome. Batman is far from a nonfactor. Far, far from it. Wolverine and Batman in a landslide here... c'mon. "

I'd agree with you on some points and disagree on others. It really depends on the fight, even the littlest details in the fight make a difference. Blood lusted or not, fight to the death or just KO.

I don't get the arguments that Spider-man can't KO Wolverine because it's just not in his character to chop the throat, kick the knee caps or punch the eyes. If Wolverine was really trying to kill him you think he wouldn't try any of those to defend himself? 

                   

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Yes. If written correctly, Spiderman's only advantage over Logan is his spidersense. I repeat, Spiderman is not a fighter. He can but hope to avoid Logan in a hand to hand confrontation because his damage output would be 100 to 1 between those two. Meaning Spiderman would have to hit Wolverine 100 times to do the kind of damage one single hit from Wolverine would do to him. And that's being generous. And that's with full acknowledgment that Wolverine will probably be up and running two pannels later. Spiderman is a master at avoidance. And that's his trump card IF he choses to hand and trade with Logan. Smart move is to try and web him up then run away.

Wolverine knows where to hit to kill. When he doesn't kill, odds are good it's because he didn't intend to. He often pulls his punches, and doubly so against friends and fellow heroes. Given his mastery in hand to hand, anything thought to the contrary could safely be defined as PIS.

If Spiderman trades with Wolverine, he would lose. Wolverine is a Master fighter. Peter Parker is a photographer and an amateur scientist with an admittedly awesome powerset. He has not had anywhere near the training Logan has.

I ask that you take a hard look at the damage Wolverine has soaked. I read  the Xenogenesis arc recently, wherein half his body was decimated, his guts were pooring onto the ground, and he still saved Hank and Armor's life and stayed in the fight till the end. A blade the size of Logan's body chopped into this throat and did not put him down. Go ahead, take his eyes... his senses are enhanced and he'd use those to know exactly where his oponents are with or without his vision. His kneecaps are adamantium laced so that ain't phasing him none. Remember he's had his body decimated to the bone in a few arcs and still he fought on. His modern day healing factor is just insane. Logan is growing more and more powerful of late. Nothing... nothing Spiderman can do to him.

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Yes. If written correctly, Spiderman's only advantage over Logan is his spidersense. I repeat, Spiderman is not a fighter. He can but hope to avoid Logan in a hand to hand confrontation because his damage output would be 100 to 1 between those two. Meaning Spiderman would have to hit Wolverine 100 times to do the kind of damage one single hit from Wolverine would do to him. And that's being generous. And that's with full acknowledgment that Wolverine will probably be up and running two pannels later. Spiderman is a master at avoidance. And that's his trump card IF he choses to hand and trade with Logan. Smart move is to try and web him up then run away.

Wolverine knows where to hit to kill. When he doesn't kill, odds are good it's because he didn't intend to. He often pulls his punches, and doubly so against friends and fellow heroes. Given his mastery in hand to hand, anything thought to the contrary could safely be defined as PIS.

If Spiderman trades with Wolverine, he would lose. Wolverine is a Master fighter. Peter Parker is a photographer and an amateur scientist with an admittedly awesome powerset. He has not had anywhere near the training Logan has.

I ask that you take a hard look at the damage Wolverine has soaked. I read  the Xenogenesis arc recently, wherein half his body was decimated, his guts were pooring onto the ground, and he still saved Hank and Armor's life and stayed in the fight till the end. A blade the size of Logan's body chopped into this throat and did not put him down. Go ahead, take his eyes... his senses are enhanced and he'd use those to know exactly where his oponents are with or without his vision. His kneecaps are adamantium laced so that ain't phasing him none. Remember he's had his body decimated to the bone in a few arcs and still he fought on. His modern day healing factor is just insane. Logan is growing more and more powerful of late. Nothing... nothing Spiderman can do to him.

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" @Edgeworth_11 said:

" The point is Spidy can reallyt hurt Wolverine period. "

No, that is not the point. Wolverine has been stopped before. Multiple times but people that Spider-man would stomp like Sabretooth. It just takes blood loss and blows to vital areas to KO Wolverine. You act like he's never loss a fight before or has been stopped.  "

spiderman cant stomp sabretooth  he only manage do to it in Sabretooth early career before he was defined with super powers and even than it was victor who ripped out his own face and passed out from the pain.Sabretooth is superior to wolverine in all areas and i would even say slightly superior to spiderman. Spiderman has actually needed help with Sabretooth in the last decade the two times they fought. where are you getting your information from? "

@SlimJ87D:
Yes, spidersense.

Sure, Spiderman is stronger. Strength is not an advantage against Logan. Not the kind Peter brings to the table. Bones don't break and he heals too fast for Spidey's punches to matter. No advantage there at all. Spiderman is a 10 tonner, Logan is a 2 tonner. Not an impressive difference. Quick question here though; if Wolverine does hit Spiderman, what happens to Spidey? Scraped him once (by accident... showing just how much Logan does indeed pull his punches) and Spiderman eventually passes out. Conversely, we all know what happens when Peter unloads on Logan though. Absolutely nothing.

Spiderman is faster, agreed. Though largely due to spidersense. Advantage... spidersense.

Combat reflexes are arguably not all that much better than Logan's though. And this based off comparable feats. Both are bullet dodgers. Logan prefers to tank damage because he can. Spiderman cannot, and so he avoids it.

What's a little more incredible is how strange you find the concept of Wolverine holding his own against Spiderman. You seem to assume it's such a landslide when there is nothing in comics, in their respective powersets or in their respective (high end) feats to suggest this is true.

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" @castleking said:

" @SlimJ87D said:

" @Edgeworth_11 said:

" The point is Spidy can reallyt hurt Wolverine period. "

No, that is not the point. Wolverine has been stopped before. Multiple times but people that Spider-man would stomp like Sabretooth. It just takes blood loss and blows to vital areas to KO Wolverine. You act like he's never loss a fight before or has been stopped.  "

spiderman cant stomp sabretooth  he only manage do to it in Sabretooth early career before he was defined with super powers and even than it was victor who ripped out his own face and passed out from the pain.Sabretooth is superior to wolverine in all areas and i would even say slightly superior to spiderman. Spiderman has actually needed help with Sabretooth in the last decade the two times they fought. where are you getting your information from? "

That's so contradictory because he even gave Wolverine trouble during those days... 
Wolverine has fluctuations with his healing factor, and that is what annoys me the most. He'll be taking bullets up the ass, or Karate Chopped in the throat (two occasions, Dare Devil, Winter Soldier), Shot Gunned in the balls, get cut and dirt put into his wounds and pass out from blood loss. Writers need to get together and agree on a consistency here. I don't care if he can take nukes, they just need to agree on how Wolverines healing factor should be a s a standard. 

@Ramtha07: 

If written correctly his only advantage would be Spider Sense? What about Strength (it's like a 10:1 difference favoring Spider-man)? What about speed? What about agility? Here on the vine we're only assuming they are going to go straight up H2H. There's also their surroundings. In a real fight with surroundings Spider-man would have a greater chance to stop wolverine than he already does. 

I'm sorry, but this is getting ridiculous now with people saying that Wolverine can solo Spider-man. 

I didn't even notice that BFR is allowed in this topic. Spider-man could potentially BFR them easily, he's thrown cars feet away before his upgrades. 

Off topic, but kinda on topic:

Check this video out guys! LOL, look at the speed. He webs the shit out of that bully:  

  

  Can you say here comes the Amazing Spider-man :D

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"spiderman cant stomp sabretooth  he only manage do to it in Sabretooth early career before he was defined with super powers and even than it was victor who ripped out his own face and passed out from the pain.Sabretooth is superior to wolverine in all areas and i would even say slightly superior to spiderman. Spiderman has actually needed help with Sabretooth in the last decade the two times they fought. where are you getting your information from? "

That's so contradictory because he even gave Wolverine trouble during those days... 
Wolverine has fluctuations with his healing factor, and that is what annoys me the most. He'll be taking bullets up the ass, or Karate Chopped in the throat (two occasions, Dare Devil, Winter Soldier), Shot Gunned in the balls, get cut and dirt put into his wounds and pass out from blood loss. Writers need to get together and agree on a consistency here. I don't care if he can take nukes, they just need to agree on how Wolverines healing factor should be a s a standard. 

  Can you say here comes the Amazing Spider-man :D


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@SlimJ87D:
It is a crazy video.

Spidey

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Spider man.

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WHOA, hold on a second!

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@SlimJ87D:
Yes, spidersense.

Sure, Spiderman is stronger. Strength is not an advantage against Logan. Not the kind Peter brings to the table. Bones don't break and he heals too fast for Spidey's punches to matter. No advantage there at all. Spiderman is a 10 tonner, Logan is a 2 tonner. Not an impressive difference. Quick question here though; if Wolverine does hit Spiderman, what happens to Spidey? Scraped him once (by accident... showing just how much Logan does indeed pull his punches) and Spiderman eventually passes out. Conversely, we all know what happens when Peter unloads on Logan though. Absolutely nothing.

Spiderman is faster, agreed. Though largely due to spidersense. Advantage... spidersense.

Combat reflexes are arguably not all that much better than Logan's though. And this based off comparable feats. Both are bullet dodgers. Logan prefers to tank damage because he can. Spiderman cannot, and so he avoids it.

What's a little more incredible is how strange you find the concept of Wolverine holding his own against Spiderman. You seem to assume it's such a landslide when there is nothing in comics, in their respective powersets or in their respective (high end) feats to suggest this is true.

 

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Sabretooth ripped Spiderman's webs and crushed ironballs. His feats put him well above 2 tonner. Sabretooth and Wolverine both destroy Spiderman.

And Spiderman either doesnt get hurt or he dies. Wolverine can one shot him.

" Just incase you guys didn't know, Wolverine trades blows with Hulk. "

" @Edgeworth_11 said:

" Just incase you guys didn't know, Wolverine trades blows with Hulk. "

Wolverine gets schooled by Spiderman all the time, he doesn't solo. If Spidey was bloodlusted, he wins with extreme ease. With morals on I can see Bats and Wolverine winning. "

Please show the battles where Wolverine gets schooled by Spiderman...? There aren't any.

1) At graveyard Logan is essentially laughing off everything Spiderman throws at him. Arguably a draw... but with a crushed windpipe and Spiderman with three puncture holes in his gullet... we all know who would walk away from that fight.

2) At the Avengers mansion. Spidey gets tagged by Logan (who admits it was accidental... showing that he could both tag Spiderman and that he does indeed pull his punches). Again, Spiderman loses it and goes all out on Wolverine after that (looking pretty bloodlusted too). Wolverine takes all the hits and, again, is still standing. Spiderman passes out shortly after due to the minor wound/exhaustion/blood loss. Winner... Wolverine. Poor lil Spider tuckered himself out.

3) Spiderman take the initiative, gets the drop on him, and incapacitates Logan with webbing then sagely swings away... ya... I repeat, Wolverine is being low balled here.

Advantage = Wolverine.

" @Ramtha07 said:

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Please... Sabretooth without adamantium beating Spider-man? I don't know about that one. Where does it say his healing factor adapts to attacks on panel? 

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How can people really think Spidey would win when he is up against an indestructable man and a master strategist,and expert martial arts.

Since it's a random encounter though Batman doesn't have time make a plan but he's went up against super humans before and is a challenge to them and with Wolverine helping which i think he could solo Spidey anyway this makes it an automatic win in my opinion. Wolverine can take much more damage than Spidey. And i don't even think spidey can throw anything at Wolverine that could really ever kill him.

@SlimJ87D:
@Edgeworth_11:
@Sgtcrispy:

Here are a few of their battles;

Woops... Spidey missed... a few times.

Fight ends when Logan pops his claws. Good for Pete.

Goes berserk and resists being subdued by both Spiderman and DD. (Webbing him to the wall didn't work... good show of superhuman strength there).

Again, tears through webbing and cuts Spiderman. Hits him, because he can. Makes sure it's just a flesh wound though. Fight continues (this one's for you Edgeworth);

Spidey passes out after going all rage on Logan. To no avail.

Here's Logan putting him in his place again;

Has him dead to rights. There's more... but I clearly do not see Logan getting schooled in any of those.

@SlimJ87D:
All those fights show a lot;

1) They show Logan can both dodge and hit Spiderman.

2) They show Logan soaks Spiderman's damage. Spiderman takes, what Logan himself calls, ONE minor stab wound, and he goes down for the count.

3) The fact Logan hits him 'accidentally' is incidental. It still shows Logan can and actually points to the fact Logan is holding back! It makes Logan look better, not worse. The surprise and downright indignation in Spidey's countenance is telling in and of itself. It shows Logan can kill but doesn't. It shows Logan holds back and folks like Spidey KNOW that. More than this, they rely on Wolverine to hold back to stay alive when trading mitts with him. Spidey unloads after and Logan lets him. Yes, lets him. He huddles up and lets him punch himself out.

4) The confrontations in general show Logan can, has, and does tear through Spidey's webbing more often than not; Spidey says "here's one I like" then proceeds to web up Logan, slams him into the wall and webs his hands to the wall. Wolverine clearly breaks free. As he does with Spiderman and DD. Showing he tears through the webbing 'consistently'.

5) As to the last bit, Logan clearly puts Spidey in his place. And this shows a heck of a lot thank you. Spiderman hits Logan, one free shot which does absolutely nothing. Logan PINS Spiderman down and shuts him up with claws to his face. That shows Logan PINS Spiderman. That shows speed, ability and a clear advantage over Spiderman. Shows Spidey taking it to Logan, and Logan having none of it is what it shows.

Here's what the Nick Fury files has to say about Spiderman's power levels;

Level 8. Spiderman is a level 8 (recent showing). Now here is where he places Wolverine;

That would be a 9. These scans, these showings advocated by Marvel, in a 616 Marvel book, are telling. Spiderman never comes close to handling Logan.

" @Ramtha07: 

Nice scans, thanks. But I'm going to go with my gut and disagree with Nick Fury lol.

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                    @Ramtha07: 

Nice scans, thanks. But I'm going to go with my gut and disagree with Nick Fury lol.

                   

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Hey, fair enough! No need to agree with Nick Fury, Shield and by default, Marvel canon. But here's another one for good measure, showing Wolverine, once again, pining Spiderman in a Mcfarlane run, when Spidey tried to get in his way. Again, this is to show, in the world of comics and outside the world of conjecture, Wolverine has consistently done so (maybe Wolverine is a little faster than you gave him credit for compared to Spiderman all scans/things considered?)

"if batman and  wolverine just rushed up and kissed him they could take the fight "

" @SlimJ87D said:

" @Ramtha07: 

Nice scans, thanks. But I'm going to go with my gut and disagree with Nick Fury lol.

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would you disagree with multiple wolverine/spiderman writers in interviews of who should logically win between the two?
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" @castleking said:

" @SlimJ87D said:

" @Ramtha07: 

Nice scans, thanks. But I'm going to go with my gut and disagree with Nick Fury lol.


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would you disagree with multiple wolverine/spiderman writers in interviews of who should logically win between the two?
 http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1917/msayseveryonevspideycx8.jpg "

Nice scans... but uhhh I'm still going to go with my gut. Haha jk. You can't argue with the writers I guess.  "

" @SlimJ87D said:

" @castleking said:

" @SlimJ87D said:

" @Ramtha07: 

Nice scans, thanks. But I'm going to go with my gut and disagree with Nick Fury lol.


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would you disagree with multiple wolverine/spiderman writers in interviews of who should logically win between the two?
 http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1917/msayseveryonevspideycx8.jpg "

Nice scans... but uhhh I'm still going to go with my gut. Haha jk. You can't argue with the writers I guess.  "

you really should have been looking at his canonically and through unbias eyes..   : / "

"Well I'm never bias nor am I a Spider-man fan. I just never knew his healing factor evolved, that made a big difference in my opinion on Wolverine. It explains how the Winter Soldier was able to KO him far int he past because his healing factor never adapted to real heavy hitters yet. Plus he didn't have adamantium.  "