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Who wins in a fight to the death:

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Superman and Batman

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Dr. Doom

No prep

Doom has knowledge on Batman and Superman

All weapons

No Doombots

Fight takes place in New York City

Who wins?

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Current Doom one-shots

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Doom with ANY amount of knowledge on his opponents beforehand would take this 9/10, and that's not even the current version of him. Current version would stomp badly.

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Doom stomps either way

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God Doom stomps

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God Doom erases from Existence. Prior to Doom would take with diffculty 7/10 and Batman's tech is but a flea to a guy like Doom.

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NO GOD DOOM

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Did we all just ignore the fact that frigging Superman is in this fight? LOL

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@crushyourenemies: Doom has incredibly powerful magic, he's second only to Dr. Strange. On top of this his tech and mystical shields and his armor have saved him from absurdly powerful attacks, meaning he could withstand Clark's assault and then make the Kryptonian his plaything via magic.

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@crushyourenemies: Doom has incredibly powerful magic, he's second only to Dr. Strange. On top of this his tech and mystical shields and his armor have saved him from absurdly powerful attacks, meaning he could withstand Clark's assault and then make the Kryptonian his plaything via magic.

And yet gets routinely beaten by the F4. Sure...a "plaything".

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Cant doom just take supermans sun absorbing powers since all gear is allowed, not to mention doom knows his abilities and can weaken him with magic and just end batman.

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@paragonnate said:

@crushyourenemies: Doom has incredibly powerful magic, he's second only to Dr. Strange. On top of this his tech and mystical shields and his armor have saved him from absurdly powerful attacks, meaning he could withstand Clark's assault and then make the Kryptonian his plaything via magic.

And yet gets routinely beaten by the F4. Sure...a "plaything".

He gets beat by the F4 because Reed is smarter, usually goes in with prep, on top of PIS aiding the F4 from time and again. Heck Reed is smarter than both Clark and Bruce combined, so's Doom for that matter.

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Powers and Abilities

Power Grid [65]

Intelligence

6

Strength

4

Speed

5

Durability

6

Energy Projection

6

Fighting Skills

4

Powers

Dr Doom 005

Doctor Doom's magic.

Magic: Doctor Doom was introduced to the mystic arts by his mother (who was of Romani and Latvarian blood).[8] He further developed his abilities by studying with Doctor Strange [citation needed] and traveling through time and learning lost Dark Arts from individuals such as Morgan le Fey.[citation needed] After Dr. Strange stepped down as the Sorcerer Supreme of Earth, Doom was amongst the candidates considered suitable to replace him.[citation needed] However the majority of his powers came from the Hazareth Three,[21] and upon angering them most of his sorcery was removed and he was trapped in Hell as punishment.[51] While they enhanced his powers he could achieve the following.

Mystical Blasts: Doom's mystical expertise was only the minor magics of the Earth.

Mystical Force-fields

Invoke Entities

Spell Casting

Summoning: Doom could summon demonic creatures.

Teleportation

Dimensional Travel: Doom could travel to other dimensions

Mystical Ensnaring

Mystical Portals

Mind Transference: By training with an alien race, Doom has gained the ability to switch his mind with that of another nearby human being with whom he has made eye contact, a process which he learned from the alien Ovoids.[citation needed] However, Doom prefers his own body and only uses this transference power as a last resort.[citation needed]

Technological Manipulation: Doom is a master technologist and create versions of himself. His armor is self-supporting and can survive in underwater or in outer space.

Technological Force-Field: Doom's armor can generate a force-field.

Arc Lightning: Doom can generate and summon electrical shocks.

Former Powers

Power Cosmic: After stealing the Power Cosmic from the Silver Surfer, Doom became enormously powerful. He easily defeated the Fantastic Four[52], plunge one part of the world in darkness, freeze an entire tropical region, and accelerate the evolution of apes into terrifying creatures.[53] Doom lost these powers when he was tricked into flying into the barrier Galactus set up to prevent Silver Surfer from leaving Earth.[54]

Abilities

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Doctor Doom with the Power Cosmic.

Super-Genius class Intelligence: Doctor Doom's most dangerous weapon is his intellect.[citation needed] He is one of the top mortal minds on the planet.[citation needed] Doom even cured Ben Grimm from his Thing form.[55] Doom has constructed hundreds of devices, including a working time machine,[11] devices which can imbue people with powers,[citation needed] and many types of robots.[citation needed] His most frequently used robots are his "Doombots," exact mechanical replicas of the himself. They look like him, talk like him, and even act like him. Individually, Doombots have an advanced AI (artificial intelligence) so that each one believes itself to be the real Doom.[56] As a safety measure, each Doombot has a dampener program that is triggered whenever the real Doom (or another Doombot) is nearby. These "body doubles" appear when Doom cannot be present or is unwilling to risk his own life, and are often responsible for Doom's return from certain death.[citation needed] Another common type of robot used is the Servo-Guard, the police force of Latveria.[citation needed] Doom specializes in physics, robotics, cybernetics, genetics, weapons technology, biochemistry, and time travel. He also has natural talents for leadership, strategy, politics, and manipulation.

Master Martial Artist: He is vastly skilled in many combat techniques, both armed and unarmed. He has been trained by the best sword masters on Earth[57] and can achieve very powerful nerve strikes.[58] His combat skills are so great that he managed to kill a lion with his bare hands,[58] to beat Daredevil in hand-to-hand combat[59] and to wield Captain America's Shield as proficiently as Steven Rogers himself.[60]

Indomitable Will: Doom has a great willpower. He was able to resist psychic attacks from Emma Frost and the Purple Man using only his will, to reject the mystical armor that the Soulsword provides the wielder on sheer willpower alone and while he was tortuned in hell, he refused to let a single audible indication of pain exit his mouth.

Highly Influential Connections: As Monarch of Latveria, Doctor Doom has access to technological and military hardware. Also has command of conventional military forces; see Doctor Doom's Generals.

Diplomatic Immunity: As the leader of a sovereign nation, Doctor Doom often visits the United States or the United Nations for political reasons. He enjoys diplomatic immunity during these trips, and his embassy is considered foreign soil. He has even been escorted by Captain America himself.

Artist: Doom has shown himself to be a talented artist. He painted a duplicate of the Mona Lisa while using Layla Miller as his model.[61]

Pianist: Doom has shown himself to be a talented pianist. He has played various compositions of his own creation.[62]

Master Swordsman: Doom has been shown being proficient in sword combat, being able to outduel Krang in swordmanship.[63]

Strength level

Unknown. Presumably considerably less than Iron Man, when wearing his armor.

Weaknesses

Ego: It has been shown in the past that Doom can be manipulated by pandering to his sense of superiority, especially over Reed Richards. Spider-Man was able to gain his assistance concerning unknown technology by saying Reed could not figure it out. This ego is also the main reason for his vendetta against Reed, as he cannot accept that Reed understood his equations better than he did.

Power Grids

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Intelligence

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Strength

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Speed

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Durability

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Energy Projection

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Fighting Skills

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Fan Ratings

Intelligence

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Durability

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Energy Projection

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Paraphernalia

Equipment

Titanium Armor: Dr. Doom's original armor is a nuclear-powered, computer-assisted battle suit. It was magically forged at a monastery in Tibet, but since then has been repaired by normal (technological) means.

Enhanced Strength: Gives Dr. Doom the ability to lift (press) several tons. He has held his own against Spider-Man in hand to hand combat.[66] The armor also grants him such strenght he can pulverize a diamond with no effort.[67]

Durability: The armor is fashioned of a high-strength titanium alloy.

Video Communicator: Built into the right wrist is a video communicator, which he can use to stay in contact with his bases from any point on Earth.

Electric Shock: The outer surface of the armor can generate a massive electric shock on command.

Flight: Dr. Doom's suits of armor are upgraded to give him the power of flight without the use for jet-packs.

Jet-Packs: The typical suit of armor has twin jet-packs mounted at the waist, though other suits (or modifications of the original suit) contain a single jet-pack mounted on the back.

Concussive Blasts: Concussive bolts of force can be fired from the gauntlets and faceplate of the armor, though the mask only generates force blasts when it is not being worn.

Force-field: The suit's best defense is the force-field generated by the armor, which has a maximum radius of eight feet (and so can encompass others); Doom cannot attack without lowering his force-field.[16]

Infrared Vision: Infrared scanners in the helmet allow the wearer to detect heat sources, permitting night vision and the ability to see invisible persons (unless they do not give off or can somehow mask their heat signature).

Recycling System: The armor is self-supporting, equipped with internal stores and recycling systems for air, food, water, and energy, allowing the wearer to survive lengthy periods of exposure underwater or in outer space.

Sensor Systems: Optical scanners in the helmet allow the helmet's eyepieces to be used as high-powered telescopes, and parabolic ear amplifiers fitted inside the helmet allow Doom to detect extremely faint sounds and unusual frequencies within the audible range for humans.

Solar Energy Absorption: A thermo-energizer allows the armor to absorb and store solar and heat energy, and use it to power the armor's other systems; this system can only be used while the force-field is deactivated.

Splinters of the True Cross[31]: Doom claims that his armor contains splinters of the True Cross, along with other such defenses (presumably to protect him from undead enemies, i.e Dracula)[68]) Considering Doom's capabilities to time travel, there is possibility of this being true.

Doctor Doom possesses two different Infinity Gauntlets from two alternate realities, but due to that, they don't work the same way in his home reality.

As a genius-level inventor and monarch of a sovereign nation, Doom can attain many other pieces of equipment as needed.

See Also: Technological Achievements, Doctor Doom's robots.

Former Equipment

Silver Surfer's surfboard

Mystical Armor: Doom used mystic armor obtained through a bargain with the Hazareth Three. The exact specifications of this armor are unknown and it was apparently lost when the Hazareth Three withdrew their support and empowerment of Doom.

Destroyer Armor Replica: A replica of the enchanted Destroyer armor of the Asgardians Doom created after experimenting on the Asgardians. Powered by the life force of the Asgardians Doom experimented on, the armor was physically manned by Doom himself and provided him with enough power to go toe-to-toe with Thor. However, Thor eventually manages to destroy the armor with Mjolnir.

Transportation

Various; formerly his Flying Fortress and Silver Surfer's surfboard.

Weapons

Formerly, Doom often carried a "broomhandle" Mauser pistol, which he used to dispatch targets "unworthy" of his other means of attack.

Notes

In Latveria, Doom has his own holiday - Doom's Day, which is an enormous celebration.[citation needed]

One of Doctor Doom's traits that often makes him stand out is his tendency to refer to himself in the third person.[citation needed]

Because of his status as ruler of Latveria, Doom typically has diplomatic immunity. This is perhaps his greatest asset, as any attempt to kill him would be a breach of international law - It has been used to prevent his death at the hands of the Fantastic Four, and resulted in Captain America acting as Doom's escort/bodyguard whilst he was making a diplomatic visit to America.[69]

Trivia

In one retcon, the scar that Doom originally received from the explosion of his arcane device was, while large, not horribly disfiguring. In his eagerness to assume his masked persona, he donned the faceplate of his first suit of armor while the metal was still smoking from the forge. The burns he suffered from this act were thought to have made him truly hideous. However, this was later itself retconned in the series Books of Doom.

The original story of his scar was that the explosion of his demonic portal actually did cause a hideous disfiguring scar, and to suit his own hubris, he donned the infamous mask.

After the Secret Wars, the Beyonder appeared in the Fantastic Four #288, where he explained that he had pulled Doom from a different time. He then rectified the situation by reordering Doom's appearances to fit the time-stream.

Doom is allegedly an user of the Facespace social network, and friend to Nuwa.[70]

Oh my God! They killed Wolverine and Doctor Doom! You Bastards!

Cameos from JLA #1

Doctor Doom made a cameo appearance in the pages of DC's JLA #1. In the scene, Doom and Wolverine are executed by a super-villain team known as the Hyperclan.

In Captain Britain and MI-13 #10, Doom states he has studied under one of Dracula's greatest enemies, suggesting that Doom has traveled back in time to study under Abraham van Helsing. He has also shown that he did not recognize Dracula's title of Count.

Doom committed his first murder at the age of sixteen, however it was in self-defence[71]

Doom states that his self-awareness began when he was within his mother's womb. Doom theorized that his mother's contact with demons is what made this possible, further stating that their "... touch opened [his] mind too clearly and too early".[71]

Benjamin Grimm may have been responsible for the accident that disfigured Doom, saying that he had tampered with Doom's machine some time before the accident.[8]

Doom owns three Renoirs', having previously possessed four, but ordering one to be destroyed merely because it displeased him.[72]

Dr. Doom Value Stamp

Stamp #84 "A" Series Marvel Value Stamps

Dr. Doom was featured on stamp #84 of the Marvel Value Stamps "A" series. It was published in Marvel Team-Up #33 in May, 1975.

Latveria has its own version of The Beatles' song All You Need Is Love, which replaces "love" for "Doom."[73]

Whistles, walks away.

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Batman wins.

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#20  Edited By Amendment50

Without prep batman is a non factor.

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No prep

Doom has knowledge on Batman and Superman

All weapons

No Doombots

Fight takes place in New York City

Who wins?

(quoting this to remember how rules are)

Dr. Doom in a not-so-hard fight. What will really give Doom the advantage is his genious level intillect, and a lot more if he has knowledge on both Batman and Superman.

The Battle

Superman speedblitzes Doom in the first move of the fight. Dr. Doom drops on the floor due to the damage, however, Doom doesn't stay down and gets back up immediately. Doom sees Batman coming at him, so Doom finishes off Batman quickly with a powerful electric shock. Even with all his equipment, Batman has been taken down fast. Superman, ignoring the damage Batman recieved, goes againts Doom. Doom then quickly activates his force field and avoids a punch of Superman. Superman uses his heat vision againts Doom, only to come up that it did not work. Doom deactivates the shield and fires a mystical blast to Superman. Doom keeps firing Superman with his magic. Superman slowly starts getting weak every second. Superman then freazes Doom with his ice breath, and punches Doom hard. Doom is weakened by the strong punch he recieved. Doom then uses his most powerful magic, all together, and blasts Superman. Superman uses his heat vision to fight againts the magic. The magic and the heat vision are fighting together for a few seconds, and after those few seconds, the heat vision loses. Superman gets shot by powerful magic and is now on the floor lying. Doom aproaches Superman and finishes Superman by crushing him with telekinesis.

Dr. Doom wins.

Probabilities of Dr. Doom winning: 7/10

Probabilities of Team winning: 3/10

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Doom.

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#23  Edited By NinjaWarrior268

Batman wins, he's not dumb enough to fight Doom without prep

*runs away from thread

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Doom is Batman's father and grants Batman godhood to become BatGod.

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@crushyourenemies said:
@paragonnate said:

@crushyourenemies: Doom has incredibly powerful magic, he's second only to Dr. Strange. On top of this his tech and mystical shields and his armor have saved him from absurdly powerful attacks, meaning he could withstand Clark's assault and then make the Kryptonian his plaything via magic.

And yet gets routinely beaten by the F4. Sure...a "plaything".

He gets beat by the F4 because Reed is smarter, usually goes in with prep, on top of PIS aiding the F4 from time and again. Heck Reed is smarter than both Clark and Bruce combined, so's Doom for that matter.

Reed isn't anymore cunning than Bruce who has outwit opponents more powerful and stable minded than Doom and Superman faces threats worst than Doom on a daily. Doom losses to the F4 all the time who would fall against Superman.

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That's right. I'm gonna be 'that' guy.

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U don't mess with the Batman, unless you are Batman

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How does Superman not solo this?

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#34  Edited By KingM

Superman/Batman takes this with ease.

Reason:
OP stated that it was ALL EQUIPMENT , which means the Sword of Superman. Also, OP never stated which version of the heroes we are using, which means we are using the current version. And the current version of batman is all powerful, considered a god, as he is now sitting on the chair of Metron, and so he knows all the answers to the universe (therefore being able to take down doom).

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Proof:

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Superman Annual #10

Justice League #42

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@sirbaronobeefdip:

You probably aren't aware of Doom is.

He has unbreakable forcefields and amazing durability, and has magic, which Superman is weak against.

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@zeezee123:

I know who doom is.

Superman sneezed a solar system apart. And carried one on his shoulder. He was punched though the earth hard enough to cause it to have a ice age and walked it off like it was nothing.

Even with prep I'm not sure if doom can withstand Superman. I think any version except golden age Superman can blitz him.

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@zeezee123: I think he easily could especially if he doesn't hold back

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Current Batgod uses his infinite knowledge to detect the real dr doom. Superman speedblitzes and pulverizes doom's back. Though if its doom god then it will take nth less than skyfather levels to take him down

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@zeezee123: Good. You shouldn't. Cause your wrong. Hush now

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@kingm: by that logic current doom is god doom who actually has feats like snapping phoenix force cyclops neck, and killed the beyonders, and created the current universe.

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Well Batman is skyfather level right now.

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#50  Edited By christianrapper

dr. doom isn't beating superman. dr. doom has some high end feats, but he has more low end feats. he lost to the fantastic 4 and sue storm alone. he will get beat to a pulp without any prior knowledge. he would lose a majority with prior knowledge. also, it's a fight to the death. this is an out of character battle. he could just laser eye or lobotomize doom and be done with it.