Batman and Solid Snake vs Wolverine

@wolverine08: Calling it how I see it. Your being a major hypocrite and you got caught for it. Wolverine is not bullet proof nor explosion proof. his healing factor has been taxed by simple slashing and stabbing attacks. Yet he will walk through a rail gun in the gut?

Bias and Hypocritical don't ya think?

I really can't even find the words. Wolverine fans are just absolutely ridiculous. They all cling desperately to a small number of super high-end showings and pass them off as Wolverine's average, and regard literally everything else as PIS just because they don't like it.

I agree actually, Garth crap is very inconsistent and mostly PIS/WIS. But that does not make everything he showed or touched not realistic. Like Wolverine hit by a RPG. That seems legit base on his showings and not being bullet or explosion proof body like say Luke Cage.

Agreed.

Logan fell from space and his skin wasn't shred away (mainly scan 1-2). Just wanted to put this here.

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Wolverine's showings say otherwise that he can take explosions. Most of Garth Ennis's work with superheroes just is riddled with laced with inconsistency and a writer clearly intent on giving heroes other than Punisher low showings. The showings in his work just can not be taken seriously from a consistency standpoint.

So, because you guys can't prove a point through inconsistent low showings, you resort to labeling scores of people you have never met? Cool.

No shut up your wrong Wolverine stood by the sun that one time so anything less than that will always clearly be PIS/WIS/CIS/KIS/LIS/OIS/IIS/AIS/QIS/Garth EnnisIS forever. Obviously.

An editor also approved of spider-man beating fire lord (who in the same comic blew up an astroid the size of a small planet FYI), curb stomping the hulk, and fighting the silver surfer. It doesn't mean that spider-man can do any of that.

Garth Ennis is a wolverine hater and has admitted to it. he doesn't like super heroes and he likes to take it out on these characters in his writing.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

@nickzambuto said:

Actually I think wolverine fans are simply ridiculous. IMO.

Do you seriously expect me to believe explosions will not takes out his flesh when low caliber bullets do! He is not bulet proof and explosions have shredded his flesh many times.

Hypocrites, Biased, BS.

I really can't even find the words. Wolverine fans are just absolutely ridiculous. They all cling desperately to a small number of super high-end showings and pass them off as Wolverine's average, and regard literally everything else as PIS just because they don't like it.

Logan fell from space and his skin wasn't shred away (mainly scan 1-2). Just wanted to put this here.

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I forgot about that moment from Savage Wolverine #9.

Not necessarily saying its impossible to incapacitate wolverine through the use of explosives (all though he has consistent showings of tanking them) just commenting on Garth Ennis being biased.

@wolverine08: Yeah it's definitely a good showing. He didn't seem to be knocked out for long after the deep impact either. That, and he fought aliens right after.

Really? Wolverine has been stabbed, shots, and burned many times. Do I need to really pull the thousands of scan proof?

Hood when fighting New avengers and Mighty Avengers was nowhere near as powerful when he fought as Possessed by Dormammu.

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Hod shoots Wolverine up so much he says screw chasing him and sits down trying to heal fast enough. most of this damage is .45 caliber bullets.

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Many examples of Stabbing and slicing weapons on Wolverines body.

Im pretty sure Rail Gun > Deathlock.

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Wolverine in a pool of blood from physical hits from Mr. X.

Why is Wolverine bullet and explosive proof again?

Ijust showed more average scans to the contrary. Let get real guys....

Batman pulls out a pair of stun gun knuckles that are strong enough to put Killer Croc and tags Logan with it. Metal skeleton and stun guns are not good combos for Logan.

he gets stunned and buried or drowned. Take your pic.

Nice. I did not know he even had those.

@cadencev2: I'm not on either side, I'm just saying Ennis' scan was a pretty low showing for Logan. Normally, Wolverine is a lot more durable than that, as seen above when he tanked atmospheric re-entry. Although I have to say mere physical blows making Logan bleed is a bit much to believe. Also, do you guys have any feats for the Rail Gun? Range? Damage? Ammo capacity?

@cadencev2:

Those scans you bring up are inconsistent (Staples of Brian Michael Bendis' writing in New Avengers). Modern Wolverine is bullet soaking machine. The guy literally soaks bullets in almost every comic. I think even people with superficial knowledge of Wolverine know this. Writers even have the guy bullet soak so much they even forget to show him doing other stuff. He isn't "explosion proof". He just has a consistent history of tanking explosions. He did it against Nitro in Civil War, he's tanked an explosion that left Doc Sampson unconscious, he jumped off of a space shuttle recently in Savage Wolverine falling through a planet's atmosphere burning up and hit the ground, fully healed, his heart has exploded and healed up in three panels, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,

To sum it up, there is a chance Snake can take him via explosions indeed, but Logan's extremely consistent history against explosions show that he can take multiple of Snake's.

Wolverine has tanked electricity on multiple occasions.

I can agree with that.

@cadencev2 said:

@wolverine08 said:

@cadencev2:

Those scans you bring up are inconsistent. Modern Wolverine is bullet soaking machine. The guy literally soaks bullets in almost every comic. I think even people with superficial knowledge of Wolverine know this. Writers even have the guy bullet soak so much they even forget to show him doing other stuff. He isn't "explosion proof". He just has a consistent history of tanking explosions. He did it against Nitro in Civil War, he's tanked an explosion that left Doc Sampson unconscious, he jumped off of a space shuttle recently in Savage Wolverine falling through a planet's atmosphere burning up and hit the ground, fully healed, his heart has exploded and healed up in three panels, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,

To sum it up, there is a chance Snake can take him via explosions indeed, but Logan's extremely consistent history against explosions show that he can multiple of Snake's.

I can agree with that.

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Good points.

I'm gonna say Wolverine wins this 6/10. Not sure if Snake or Batman are fast enough to really start spamming their weapons before Logan sniffs them out as well.

@wolverine08 said:

@cadencev2 said:

@wolverine08 said:

@cadencev2:

Those scans you bring up are inconsistent. Modern Wolverine is bullet soaking machine. The guy literally soaks bullets in almost every comic. I think even people with superficial knowledge of Wolverine know this. Writers even have the guy bullet soak so much they even forget to show him doing other stuff. He isn't "explosion proof". He just has a consistent history of tanking explosions. He did it against Nitro in Civil War, he's tanked an explosion that left Doc Sampson unconscious, he jumped off of a space shuttle recently in Savage Wolverine falling through a planet's atmosphere burning up and hit the ground, fully healed, his heart has exploded and healed up in three panels, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,

To sum it up, there is a chance Snake can take him via explosions indeed, but Logan's extremely consistent history against explosions show that he can multiple of Snake's.

I can agree with that.

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

See, Im not unreasonable. Just stubborn.

You never did understand how to average feats. Reading the scan with the hood it looks like he rips Logans balls or dick off hence his comment about them growing back bigger. He likely has no fight in him because of that not because of the bullets.

Your next scans with the hand ninjas stabbing him just looks like they stabbed him…Care to upload the next few pages? Was Wolverine even dropped? The kaine fight I all ready know about.

Your next scan is from the wolverine kitty pride series and Logans healing factor wasn't written what it is today…I don't know about the next scan as it is fan edited…Can you find me a scan with the actual dialogue? I would like a better understanding of the context.

The rest are just low showings.

Wow, man, you missed the whole point. the point was to prove that Wolverine is not bullet or stabbing proof. not that these attacks drop him :/

How did you miss the whole point Jash?

Nobody actually said that Wolverine is literally bullet proof. Just noted that he has a hilariously consistent history of soaking them.

@cadencev2: no one was saying the team cannot hurt Logan. What was being disputed is that they can put him down.

Look, both of ya, its over. Lets let that part die.

That was my point, they have a chance at winning with enough damage and destruction of flesh the same way many characters have taxed Wolverine HF. I was only trying to point out Snakes and Batman gear are very destructive in explosion and flesh rending.

That is ALL I was trying to prove.

I bet you're enjoying this :D.

I know, but Wolverine also has a plethora of low end feats as well (from what I've seen, anyway). With Batman's freeze pellets, magnetics, electricity etc, to slow him down, coupled with Solid's lethality in the fight and I think the team has a solid chance. Sheer versatility and teamwork should overcome Wolverine's physical prowess.

I forgot all about the freeze pellets.

@cadencev2: Like I said, major lowballing for the team :P

I agree.

All comic characters with so many appearances like Batman, Wolverine, Superman, etc. do. Kind of what comes with being a Marvel or DC character being in so many comics.

@wolverine08: Of course. But people here tend to ignore Wolverine's low end feats, it seems.

@monsterstomp:

No, not really. I and most people saying Wolverine wins here ignore low end Wolverine feats that don't match up with his consistent feats.

@monsterstomp: Does anyone have a scan of the Freeze pellets? Are we talking cold and frosty freeze or block of ice freeze?

@cadencev2: Freeze pellets capable of incapacitating Clayface if I'm not mistaken. I do not have scans though, you should see them in @matchesmalone21's respect thread. I'm reading over Batman's series again.

I believe Batman had prepped those freeze pellets specifically for Clayface but I am not entirely sure.

@wolverine08: Probably. But I'm not sure that negates them from his current standard equipment.

@monsterstomp:

It does discount it as his standard equipment actually. We can not consider something that Batman creates and brings out for a specific opponent to be his standard equipment. If Bruce were to know that he was going to be fighting the Hulk and designed and brought a gamma radiation syphoning machine, would we all of the sudden consider it standard equipment for him? I think not.

@wolverine08 So anything Batman creates is just discounted as standard equipment now? Batman started from near scratch at the beginning of the series and has shown to progressively increase the gear in his utility belt. Have you got scans of him creating the pellets specifically for Clayface? I can't recall that much.

@monsterstomp: Here a thread to give you some help http://www.comicvine.com/forums/batman-286/batsuit-capabilities-in-new-52-so-far-1477051/

Batsuit capabilities:

Contact Lenses

1. Computer Link (can acess remotely the Batcomputer)
2. Computer analysis
3. Transmitter/Receiver audio and video
4. Zoom/Magnifying capabilities
5. Facial recognition algorithms (including lipreading capabilities)
6. Lie Detector
7. Eletromagnetic spectrum vision (thermal,sonar,x-ray and night vision)

Cowl

1. Special lock pick (Bruce is the only that can take it off)
2. Extra Lenses (Eletromagnetic spectrum vision capabilities)
3. Spectrum analysis
4. Earpiece (which enhanced his auditory senses)
5. Has recorded (and has stored) all of previous missions in Cowl Archives
6. High Intensity Strobes in order to protect against Poison Ivy's pheromone control and reset the short term memory.
7. Can connect and receive phones calls.

Gloves/Gauntlet

1. Can take and run DNA/Chemical samples
2. Can emit electric shocks (capable of frying nerves)
3. Wrist laser
4. High-velocity batrope
5. Shoot out the forearm spikes
6. Shoot out micro smoke pellets and anesthetic gas pellets
7. Can hack other computers

Body armor

1. Bulletproof
2. Fireproof
3. Resistant to medium level shocks
4. Resistant to concentrated acid
5. Resistant to extreme pressures

Cape

1. Fireproof
2. Act as a glider

Utility Belt

1. Stores gadgets
2. EMP emitter
3. Energy deflector
4. Demagnetizer

Gadgets

1. Batrangs (Sharp,Explosives,Acid,Cryogenic,Heat and Electric)
2. Acid capsule
3. Sonic disruptor
4. Sonic grenades
5. Absorbing capsules
6. Magnets
7. Subsonic emitters
8. Overheat device
9. Laser cutter
10. Tracking devices
11. Grapplin gun
12. Electrical sticks
13. Sonic Gun
14. Hard light gun
15. Anti fire foam gun
16. Re-breather mask (automatically adjust to different oxygen levels to avoid toxicity)

Boots

1. Enable to walk on walls
2. Blades enable to walk on areas cover by ice.

@wolverine08:

Batman created a containment suit so Clayface wouldn't copy his DNA again,he just add a few thing to the suit as electrical blasts,solvents and concentrated nitrogen. The ice pellets and other ice based weapons aren't exclusively used against Clayface and can work in anyone.,is ice after all.

Savage Wolverine #9 was PIS. Good read but Pis.

@matchesmalone21: Nice.

It looked it.

@cadencev2:

How was it PIS? It's matches up pretty well with Wolverine's consistent showings against extreme heat/explosions. Do you just not like the feat?

@cadencev2: This is getting intense...And is Snake body really that old?

Team Bat and Snake.

@cadencev2: Interesting match, I would bet on Wolverine to win the majority of the fights. The team possess a chance of winning but, the way I see it, only if going all out from the start, striking Logan on specific points, playing smart, etc. Anything different from that Wolverine would most likely take the damage and become more an more furious, once he becomes a beast, there´s not much either Batman nor Snake could do to take him out. I remember the instance where Nick Fury tried everything against him, from gas to eletrick shocks, and all his effort only contributed to make him angrier..