Batman and Bane vs Dare devil and Kingpin

Round 1 random encounter(bane has no venom)

Round 2 same as 1 bane has venom

Rd 1 goes to DD and Kingpin. Bane is virtually useless without Venom in a random encounter. Rd 2 goes to Batman and Bsne.

Round 1: Goes to Team 1. 6/10. I have always felt that DD is at his best in a random encounter...no one will know his abilities, or his weakness.

Round 2: Most certainly goes to Team 2 8-9/10.

@Dark_Guyver said:

Rd 1 goes to DD and Kingpin. Bane is virtually useless without Venom in a random encounter. Rd 2 goes to Batman and Bsne.

How is Bane useless without venom? He's an experienced hand-to-hand combatant and pretty durable too (even without venom). He's got countless feats without venom to make him useful at the minimum in a random encounter.

Bane (off venom) defeats cybernetic foe, even after being shocked by a collar designed to kill him

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Breaks the neck of a Skartaris bird, then fights said land's warriors without venom

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Kingpin, on the other hand, doesn't show much hand-to-hand combat feats very often, and relies on his criminal empire, bodyguards, and The Hand (and when he does show any combat prowess its not very impressive compared to the mid/high-tier hand-to-hand combatants). So if anyone here is useless in a random encounter it would be Fisk.

The way I see it is Daredevil holding his own against Batman for an extended period of time, but Bane eventually defeats Kingpin (who will put up a small fight from his sumo/hapkido combat experience and pure muscles), and assist Bruce in defeating Matt.

Round 1: DD and Fisk, Bane without venom was defeated by Batman easily enough, Iv'e always considered Bats and DD to be around the same skill level, so I reason that in round 1 DD and Kingpin win. Round 2: Bats and Bane win, but only after a tough fight.

@nerdork said:

Round 1: Goes to Team 1. 6/10. I have always felt that DD is at his best in a random encounter...no one will know his abilities, or his weakness.

Round 2: Most certainly goes to Team 2 8-9/10.

Pretty much agree with this

I stand corrected.

@Dark_Guyver said:

Rd 1 goes to DD and Kingpin. Bane is virtually useless without Venom in a random encounter. Rd 2 goes to Batman and Bsne.

Bane without venom was ripping limbs off of people with ease and completely no sold Catman's punch in Secret Six. Same Catman who went toe to toe with Bronze Tiger and Batman.

Bump

could go either way in round 1, round 2 goes to team 2.

Team MARVEL all the way simply because of the spite have towards Banes PIS filled feats.

DC team both times. Round 1: Bruce is DD's superior in pretty much every category except agility and even then the devil isn't untouchable when facing skilled opponents. Bruce is stronger, more skilled, and has equipment as a back up. Bruce or Bane could beat either character in one on one combat (although I would argue DD would take Bane for a slight majority but that still makes my point valid Bane can beat him). Bane is also skilled and physically stacked enough to take the Kingpin and Bruce can also take the Kingpin as well being superior in skill, statistically high enough to fight him and once again, gadgets.

Round 2 is just the same process but the OP just went and made Bane stronger and more durable.

This.

Facepalm.

You think a REGULAR human (according to the DC verse) can survive a gun shot unharmed and instantly be healed the next page?

*face palm*

If he's human he has to have at least peak human feats, he doesn't so most of his non venom feats are PIS.

@omegablast452: Well it's a good thing he ain't real and going by your logic Batman,Damian and Cassandra Cain are PIS as well.

No because gun shots actually hurt them durp.

Stop grasping at straws,Cass reacts at speeds that no human could feasibly replicate,Batman breaks swords just by kicking them,Damian was repeatedly shot by bullets and arrows.

Why are you under the belief Bane isn't peak human?

If you're talking about Secret Six, Bane wasn't "instantly healed the next page." First and foremost, the pistol round was only to the shoulder (keep in mind, we're talking about a guy in peak physical condition and insanely high pain tolerance). Secondly, Catman was concerned over the amount of blood Bane was losing -- he was just handling it well. We're talking about a dude that was born in the most ridiculous prison on earth and endured absolutely insane odds throughout the majority of his life. If Bane takes a punch from Superman, it's PIS. If Bane tolerates a gunshot to the shoulder, it's in character.

I'm not grasping at straws Bane fanboy, a sword doesn't take much to break when you hit it in the right area with sufficient force it's not like bruce did it bare foot not to mention Bruce is Olympic Athlete levels at least, Cass is walking PIS like Bane and Damian just has a plot shield.

No if you get shot in the shoulder blade your not going to over power a man and twist his neck it's impossible the bullet would have prevented him from doing such a thing not to mention it's impossible for him to have not even reacted to the bullet striking him, and there's no evidence of Bane training his body to peak human perfection either unlike Bruce.

@omegablast452: Makes sense in the real world, but we're not discussing characters who fit in our world. Despite being classified as peak human, characters in this field are still significantly superior to the finest athletes we have on the planet. They're faster, stronger, more agile and their pain tolerance is hugely superior.

Yes, there is evidence. His entire origin story is based on how he trained his body and mind while enduring that prison. Then when he was beaten into a coma and fell out of shape, he went through the same routine to build himself up again. I don't mean to be rude, but how much have you read with the character? Because what you're doing is basically saying all of his feats off venom are PIS... despite the fact he's spent more time off than on venom and has consistently proven to be peak human and have exceptional pain tolerance.

oh so a peak human can do this?

1. There's no way a peak human would ever use that arm again after tanking several gun shots, the muscles will be severely damaged and weak

2. How the fk is a peak human going to punch through a concrete wall? is bones would turn to dust there's difference between PIS and stats

3.No peak human is going to break out of hand cuffs with just sheer strength.

1. Those bullets obviously grazed his shoulder. However, on the next page (not provided in your scan) there is an art mistake because there's no blood.
2. So, you're telling me that despite him regularly pulling off feats like that, they're all PIS? So basically, the character we know suddenly loses all effectiveness when placed in a match here? Well, if that's truly the case, an extended conversation with you a waste of effort on both our parts. If Bane does something out of the norm for him, I can consider it PIS. But, what you're talking about are things he can regularly do off venom, therefore I've got no gripe with them whatsoever and that's simply how the character is.
3. Peak humans have far more impressive feats than breaking out of cuffs. Hell, even Gladiator has done that.

Going Team 1 both rounds, first one more of a rough time due to no venom but should manage.

Second round, DEFINITELY team 1 lol

Team DC takes both!

Batman beats DD

Bane beats Kingpin.

@omegablast452: Obnoxious fool,learn the meaning of PIS before you go around making yourself look stupid.

Cass isn't PIS,neither is Bane,if you think they're PIS then stop reading comics.

Random encounter I think Marvel wins... Batman will not know that DD is blind and both Bane and Bats will underestimate Kingpin because of his bulk. Daredevil is probably more agile than Bats and his radar sense will defeat any boomerang-type gadgets and most if not all of his other gear. DD will also be able to detect Bane's venom in the second round. Hears both the injection and the heartbeat change, then takes out the IV. Also, does Kingpin have his cane? The electric shock would probably slow Bane, even if it doesn't stop him. With prep, however, DC wins.

King Pin gets a bad rep because he doesn't win often, but in all fairness he usually does pretty well and it's usually Spider Man that he's fighting.

Thanks for reading,

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Team 2 wins both.

No they don't.

@entropy_aegis: I have stopped reading their comics because it is PIS, they are high tier street lvl characters in the universe which is bull.

Round 1 team 1 in a good fight. Batman wont know DD is blind and any gadgets he tries to throw at him can be easily dodged with his radar sense. Kingpin has a bad rep nowadays with fighting skills but he is in fact is a very capable fighter..or atleast he did RIP Classic Wilson..oh and BB takes round 2.

@god_spawn: Yes, yes they do.

Thank you! And Spider-Man is a guy who can flip small tanks(sorry I don't have the scan)

And at the very least he has always put up a tough fight for Parker(except maybe for Back in Black..)