Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) vs X-23

http://www.comicvine.com/batgirl/1701/

Vs

http://www.comicvine.com/x-23/3560/

who would win and why?

A good fight, but when it all boils down, I think X-23 has it. Healing, adamantium, and an essential longevity.

only her claws are adamantium you know.

acewasp23 says:

"only her claws are adamantium you know. "

??? i thought her entire body was

acewasp23 says:

"only her claws are adamantium you know. "

Yeah, but adamantium claws (and foot claw things) help. So does berserker rage.

acewasp23 says:

"Copy says:

"acewasp23 says:

"only her claws are adamantium you know. "

??? i thought her entire body was"

lol did you guys read the pages i posted. jk Her claws were extracted so they could bond Adamantium to them. she escaped before they could fuse the rest of her bones with Adamantium. "

Aaaand they couldn't anyway. It would have stunted her natural growth.

Copy says:

"acewasp23 says:

"only her claws are adamantium you know. "

??? i thought her entire body was"

lol did you guys read the pages i posted. jk

Her claws were extracted so they could bond Adamantium to them.

she escaped before they could fuse the rest of her bones with Adamantium.

acewasp23 says:

"Octagon Enigma says:

"Aaaand they couldn't anyway. It would have stunted her natural growth."

yeah i was answering copy. lol The claws could make a difference but X-23 has to hit Cain. LoL i don't know who would win i think they're equally matched in skill and they were both trained since birth. "

Therefore X would simply outlive Cain.

Octagon Enigma says:

"Aaaand they couldn't anyway. It would have stunted her natural growth."

yeah i was answering copy. lol

The claws could make a difference but X-23 has to hit Cain.

LoL i don't know who would win i think they're equally matched in skill and they were both trained since birth.

Octagon Enigma says:

"Therefore X would simply outlive Cain."

Ok that aside, who would win the battle? (you don't have to die to loose)

Batgirl.

X-23 would win. Especially if she has her X-Force gear.

Gonna go with Batgirl on this one.

x-23 even though i hate both of these characters with a freakin passion

Batgirl. X-23 can have a healing factor, adamantium claws (but not an adamantium skeleton), and a berserker rage, but I don't think it would do much good against someone that fights much better than her, can read her every move before she does it, and can probably move faster than her, too.

"Batgirl. X-23 can have a healing factor, adamantium claws (but not an adamantium skeleton), and a berserker rage, but I don't think it would do much good against someone that fights much better than her, can read her every move before she does it, and can probably move faster than her, too."

Dodging a bullet after it has been fired:

So she's a speedster?

She would of had to be moving at super-sonic speeds in order to dodge that bullet. And she can read X-23's every move.

"What proof is there that she does any of those things better than X? X-23 does not have a berserker rage."

"So she's a speedster?"

"Slinger said:

"So she's a speedster?"

She's considered to have peak-human speed without being considered meta-human."

So that ridiculous bullet scan can be thrown out?

"So that ridiculous bullet scan can be thrown out?

"@Gambler: If she gets slashed by X she's not getting up.

Seeing and moving are different things. Anyway, I've seen worse than Deathstroke hit her.

"Seeing and moving are different things."

Anyway, I've seen worse than Deathstroke hit her."

So that ridiculous bullet scan can be thrown out?

@Gambler: If she gets slashed by X she's not getting up.

"Just like reflexes and speed are two different thing."

"Both sides have a strong case. Its just a fact that Batgirl is better."

"Yeah, kinda my point. Your reflexes could recognize that a shot is fired or someone is going to kick you in the teeth, but you aren't fast enough to move out of the way. Not really saying she can't do it, but I am saying she shouldn't be able to."

"Yeah, kinda my point. Your reflexes could recognize that a shot is fired or someone is going to kick you in the teeth, but you aren't fast enough to move out of the way. Not really saying she can't do it, but I am saying she shouldn't be able to."

Like I said, I'm sure she can do these things, she just shouldn't be able to because she is supposedly not metahuman. If she does something she can do it though I guess, doesn't mean I have to like it though.

"doesn't mean I have to like it though."

lol

"Seeing and moving are different things. Anyway, I've seen worse than Deathstroke hit her."

" She was never taught self defense (I don't think,) "

"Like I said, I'm sure she can do these things, she just shouldn't be able to because she is supposedly not metahuman. If she does something she can do it though I guess, doesn't mean I have to like it though."

I feel the same way.  If DC wants her to be a bullet-timer, fine, but don't pretend she's just a highly trained human.  No normal human, regardless of training, can dodge a bullet the way she does.  Dodge aim maybe, like Nightwing does routinely, but not outright dodge the bullet.  But hey, it is what it is. 

Her aggregate speed is meta, they explain it more in this scan:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/2532/638274-batgirl14pg048nw_super.jpg


As to the battle at hand, I acknowledge that Batgirl is faster and probably more skilled* than X-23.  I just don't think the margin is great enough to give her the win the majority of the time. 

X-23 could never land a hit on her, the only way she possibly could is if Cass didn't know about her claws. Throughout X-23's series she's never shown speed enough to match Cassandras. There's a great cover of her slicing through bullets being fired at her, It'd be cool if she was really that quick.

At most I see it as a 50/50 split.  X-23's advantage in durability and weaponry would be somewhat offset by the speed, skill and agility of Cassandra, but it's not like Batgirl is impossible to tag.  Robin managed to land multiple solid blows, and he's not a bullet-timer as far as I know.

Robin landing a hit on her is poorly written material, and the only instance of someone much much slower ever being able to touch her. That one Robin loss vs. her routine showings of dodging bullets and moving quicker then people can blink are gapped way to large to even consider that Robin fight as valid evidence.

*whatever that means.  Seriously, they're both at a very high level in terms of martial arts expertise, and I don't expect that either will have many surprises for the other in that regard.

The speed difference is way to high though, X-23 is moving in slow motion to Cassandra.

Batgirl wins.

I'm goin with X-23

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Robin landing a hit on her is poorly written material, and the only instance of someone much much slower ever being able to touch her. That one Robin loss vs. her routine showings of dodging bullets and moving quicker then people can blink are gapped way to large to even consider that Robin fight as valid evidence.

"LegendaryKYJ said:

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Robin landing a hit on her is poorly written material, and the only instance of someone much much slower ever being able to touch her. That one Robin loss vs. her routine showings of dodging bullets and moving quicker then people can blink are gapped way to large to even consider that Robin fight as valid evidence.

Well, I wouldn't say all that. In a stand-up fight (which was what they had briefly), Robin wouldn't have been able to land a punch, but he did grab her cape and slam her into the ground, followed by some pummeling punches. After being slammed face-first, there was nothing she could do. It would have been different if Robin had never attempted to slam her like that."

"Robin landing a hit on her is poorly written material, and the only instance of someone much much slower ever being able to touch her.

"LegendaryKYJ said:

"Robin landing a hit on her is poorly written material, and the only instance of someone much much slower ever being able to touch her.

Wrong."

"Okay, I'll bite.... Why, good sir? I also want to add, when you pick one sentence of someones rebuttal and give one word answers that contradict said sentence, it comes across as bickering. Are you bickering?"

"LegendaryKYJ said:

" the only instance of someone much much slower ever being able to touch her.

"LegendaryKYJ said:

"Okay, I'll bite.... Why, good sir? I also want to add, when you pick one sentence of someones rebuttal and give one word answers that contradict said sentence, it comes across as bickering. Are you bickering?"

lol is that how it comes across? I'm simply pointing out your inaccurate statement.

"LegendaryKYJ said:

" the only instance of someone much much slower ever being able to touch her.

This is incorrect (sir :D) She's been touched by Green Arrow, knocked out by Nightwing, beat down by some scrub in her solo series, Blasted by Mr. Freeze's gun, and those are just off the top of my head.
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