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#1 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26109 posts) - - Show Bio

the best flash barry allen

                                                              vs
superman


no morals fight to the finish who wins and why
#2 Posted by SSJjanemba (129 posts) - - Show Bio

hmm speed is the best factor in a fight but im pretty sure superman can shake off a punch from flash
#3 Posted by Cosmic_Falcon (2039 posts) - - Show Bio

Barry would defeat Clark

#4 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2417 posts) - - Show Bio

The best flash? 
I'm pretty sure Wally is the best.....

#5 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (26109 posts) - - Show Bio

no barry is the original and is the fastest do to his time he spent in the speed force

#6 Edited by Valtot (4502 posts) - - Show Bio

im not sure on this one does barry know how to IMP or speed steal because without them hed lose and can he go light speed straight away because again hed lose with no morals superman if he cant go light speed straight away
#7 Posted by Cosmic_Falcon (2039 posts) - - Show Bio
@Valtot said:
" im not sure on this one does barry know how to IMP or speed steal because without them hed lose and can he go light speed straight away because again hed lose with no morals superman if he cant go light speed straight away "
I'm assuming he can do all of the tricks the other Flashes can since he is the speed force.
#8 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011 said:
" no barry is the original and is the fastest do to his time he spent in the speed force "
No Barry is not the Fastest. Even though he is back, Wally still has better feats, and remains the Fastest.
 
He is also not the Orignial. You are wrong on both accounts.
#9 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2417 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally can also phase through people killing them.

#10 Posted by Valtot (4502 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cosmic_Falcon:
i thought he was just generating the speed force not he is the speed force, also just because of that doesnt mean he has the same level of skill as wally at manipulating it so hes gotta be capable of knowing how to use speed steal, IMP and be capable of going light speed straight away because otherwise its superman in space straight away than him roasting the planet with heat vision or doing his own IMP on the earth killing everyone on the planet including barry as no morals
#11 Posted by Valtot (4502 posts) - - Show Bio
@deadpoolvironfist:
is there limits on this like the density on what hes phasing threw like say superman and superman can vibrate his body at phasing levels anyway  to match it but the things i said barry requires otherwise the fight ends to quickly with superman killing barry and a large number of people
#12 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (26109 posts) - - Show Bio

barry can do all those and more and the flash did not reach a high level iconic level until barry came barry is the speedforce if you do not believe go to the dc database he is the fastest do to the time he spent in the speedforce he is the goat of the flashes the greatest of all time

#13 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2417 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally is still better bro.
His feats are infinitely better in my opinion.

#14 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@Valtot: From my Recollection, Barry still doesn't know how to Steal Speed.
 
Barry was always perceived as being The Smarter one out of the two...
 
Not sure on the IMP to be honest
 
#15 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2417 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheFlash4740: 
Yeah I'm almost positive he doesn't know steal speed
#16 Edited by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011 said:

" barry can do all those and more and the flash did not reach a high level iconic level until barry came barry is the speedforce if you do not believe go to the dc database he is the fastest do to the time he spent in the speedforce he is the goat of the flashes the greatest of all time "

Prove Barry can Steal speed.
 
Prove he is The Fastest
 
I'll wait..........
#17 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2417 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011: 
 
Am I supposed to just take you're word for it?
#18 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011:  Im not going to Argue with you over this. You clearly are set in your ways.
 
You seem to be Impervious to Logical Facts.
#19 Posted by Valtot (4502 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011:
scans would be nice proving this i still think wallys the best but with barry back hes gonna do some cool things but he hasnt yet
#20 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@deadpoolvironfist: He only has 10 Posts. Don't take it so seriously lol. I've seen ALOT of people on here say Barry is the best, ignore the facts, and just keep trolling saying "NO HE'S THE BEST HE CREATED THE SPEED FORCE, HES THE BEST"
 
No use lol
#21 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26109 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheFlash4740 said:
"@dccomicsrule2011 said:

" barry can do all those and more and the flash did not reach a high level iconic level until barry came barry is the speedforce if you do not believe go to the dc database he is the fastest do to the time he spent in the speedforce he is the goat of the flashes the greatest of all time "

Prove Barry can Steal speed.  Prove he is The Fastest  I'll wait.......... "

barry can if you dont believe me than check the dc database and you show me proof when dc said wally was the best and barry is smarter please i am not talking to you any more
#22 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2417 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011: 
 
Give us the link and I'll believe you.
#23 Posted by Valtot (4502 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011:
the DC database can be fan edited so its not always correct

#24 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2417 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheFlash4740: 
 
lol I have a friend who thinks Human Torch can beat almost everyone in the Superhero universe.
#25 Posted by Valtot (4502 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Edited by buttersdaman000 (10226 posts) - - Show Bio

hmmmm imo...
Wally>>Barry>superman>>Bart>Jay
when Bart reaches his potential he could possibly be up there with wally.
 
But anyways Barry is faster than Superman, not by a vast amount but enough to make a clear difference. However Superman can make up for that speed difference and he is more than capable of tagging Barry. He can also use his powers in the same ways Barry can. 
Superman takes this in a tough fight. Until Barry can speed steal he cant beat superman. Even if he could IMP it wouldnt make much of a difference because he doesnt blow superman out of the water like wally does so superman can still evade well enough.

#27 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2417 posts) - - Show Bio
@Valtot: 
 
It says there is no text on the page....
#28 Posted by Valtot (4502 posts) - - Show Bio
@deadpoolvironfist:
thats odd lol just type in DC database on google go to the site and favourite it as its got loads of info on characters but not always correct but most of it is and you can do that for the marvel database aswell, once your in the DC database just type in Barry Allen in the search function and go to his page
#29 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio

By all means...Lets Listen to Wikipedia, and not the actual Comics....
 
Rediculous..

#30 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2417 posts) - - Show Bio
@Valtot: 
 
Alright :)
Thanks
#31 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman.  Barry is faster and has lots of tricks but at the end of the day, Superman hits a lot harder and can take a lot more damage, which makes up for Barry's slight speed advantage.
#32 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" Superman.  Barry is faster and has lots of tricks but at the end of the day, Superman hits a lot harder and can take a lot more damage, which makes up for Barry's slight speed advantage. "
Why does Wally Hit Harder than Barry, Is it the simple fact he is faster?
#33 Edited by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio

superman has way more feats than barry since post crisis barry just returned in 2008 final crisis. 
barry is way faster than superman as it shown in rebirth, although he hasn't shown the ability to steal speed yet, but if he can fully utilize speed force,with no morals I can see him beating superman.

#34 Posted by buttersdaman000 (10226 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrtrickster: 
I dont think hes way faster, just faster. what do you think barry could do without morals that superman cant do just as good or better?
#35 Posted by sa5m (2112 posts) - - Show Bio

superman will win

#36 Posted by beatboks1 (7414 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011 said:

" barry can do all those and more and the flash did not reach a high level iconic level until barry came barry is the speedforce if you do not believe go to the dc database he is the fastest do to the time he spent in the speedforce he is the goat of the flashes the greatest of all time "

1. Barry still can't speed steal or lend. He may have been in the Speed force for longer and created it with his accident but he hasn't spent years mastering it. In actual fact since his return he's still a novice in it's use.
2. Jay was the third character in the Golden age to get his own solo title (after Superman and Batman before Captain Marvel  Captain America  (both in March that year) and Green Lantern (Sept))and . he was one of only 8 GA comics characters to have a title completely too themselves. Of those 8 he was one of only 4 who also still had regular stories in an anthology title 9Superman, Batman and Captain Marvel). He and Green Lantern were the last two GA titles to fold before the end of the era (Superman and Batman of course continuing in print until the SA Started). So I'm teribly sorry but the GA Flash was very much the comic book icon. Especially when you consider he well out lasted the character who had the highest sales figures per issue (Captain Marvel achieved sales figures over 1 million per month). There was a reason why the Flash was the first SA character to have come out, because he was the Most iconic not still in print.
3. Barry's greatest speed feats aren't the fastest please check you facts before posting absolute crap. DC data base like all of those types of things is a wiki, so fanboy's can make it say what they want to (for all we know that statement on DC data base was made by you)
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#37 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio

There have been a few examples where Superman has managed to match Barry's travel speed, but I believe Barry supersedes him in reaction time and combat speed. Regardless, this advantage is not as extensive as Wally's is, and Superman should still be able to hold out. I think Barry could possibly hurt Supes (he has demonstrated superhuman striking power before against other metahumanly durable characters), but his striking power feats are still not as as powerful as Wally's (who has damaged Kryptonian-class beings without the IMP). Now, Barry also lacks the speed steal, which is disadvantageous. He is smarter, in my opinion, than the other Flashes and has used his speed creatively (generating whirlwinds powerful enough to knock over Black Lantern Martian Manhunter, sense invisible beings, phase through vibration, etc.), but none of this seems like enough to down to Clark. 
 
Superman should win.

#38 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" There have been a few examples where Superman has managed to match Barry's travel speed, but I believe Barry supersedes him in reaction time and combat speed. Regardless, this advantage is not as extensive as Wally's is, and Superman should still be able to hold out. I think Barry could possibly hurt Supes (he has demonstrated superhuman striking power before against other metahumanly durable characters), but his striking power feats are still not as as powerful as Wally's (who has damaged Kryptonian-class beings without the IMP). Now, Barry also lacks the speed steal, which is disadvantageous. He is smarter, in my opinion, than the other Flashes and has used his speed creatively (generating whirlwinds powerful enough to knock over Black Lantern Martian Manhunter, sense invisible beings, phase through vibration, etc.), but none of this seems like enough to down to Clark.  Superman should win. "

During Rebirth, he told Clark those races were for Charity, and Blew past him. If he Matched it after words While Barry was trying to lose him, then im mistaken. 
 
Whats stopping Barry from Vibrating Through Supermans head? Given i have not seen Barry do this, But i am not the Biggest Barry Allen Expert. Looking for Clarification
#39 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheFlash4740 said: 
During Rebirth, he told Clark those races were for Charity, and Blew past him. If he Matched it after words While Barry was trying to lose him, then im mistaken.     
To be fair, Superman never utilizes his travel speed at max while under earth's atmosphere because of the damage it would cause. He can travel many times faster than light in space and may actually outweigh Barry in travel speed. This is basically irrelevant though because travel speed will not benefit either of them during combat. 
 
Whats stopping Barry from Vibrating Through Supermans head? Given i have not seen Barry do this, But i am not the Biggest Barry Allen Expert. Looking for Clarification "
Barry can vibrate through objects without causing them explode. I have never seen Barry cause an object to hit critical mass via vibration, but I am not the biggest Barry Allen expert either. Theoretically, he should be able to, but I have just never personally seen it. 
#40 Edited by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio

Fair enough
 
I do however, think the whole point of those panels were to prove he was faster. Otherwise, what be the point.

#41 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3902 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman

#42 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@Supermanwithatan01 said:
" Superman "
Reasons?
#43 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3902 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheFlash4740 said:
" @Supermanwithatan01 said:
" Superman "
Reasons? "
Barry doesn't have the knowledge of the Speed force like Wally does. While Barry is a kick ass Flash we have yet to see him hit someone harder than Supes can hit, steal Kinetic Energy, or use the SF as wily as Wally has. I think most people are operating off the idea maybe since Barry is the source of the speed force he should be the most powerful. But up to now he has no feats that support that he is anywhere near as powerful as Wally is/was. Wally grew and learned from the speed force, essentially became a part of it. Barry just seems to run really fast. Superman could incapacitate him after a relative drawn out fight (between super speed heroes). Superman wins via KO. Barry just hasn't shown anything yet that suggest he could defeat Supes
#44 Posted by SlimJ87D (10556 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @TheFlash4740 said: 
During Rebirth, he told Clark those races were for Charity, and Blew past him. If he Matched it after words While Barry was trying to lose him, then im mistaken.     
To be fair, Superman never utilizes his travel speed at max while under earth's atmosphere because of the damage it would cause. He can travel many times faster than light in space and may actually outweigh Barry in travel speed. This is basically irrelevant though because travel speed will not benefit either of them during combat. 
 
Whats stopping Barry from Vibrating Through Supermans head? Given i have not seen Barry do this, But i am not the Biggest Barry Allen Expert. Looking for Clarification "
Barry can vibrate through objects without causing them explode. I have never seen Barry cause an object to hit critical mass via vibration, but I am not the biggest Barry Allen expert either. Theoretically, he should be able to, but I have just never personally seen it.  "
Honestly, Superman traveling faster than Flash at any point is a bunch of crap, Superman is such a poor character only loved by some comic book readers and a lot of people that don't even read comics. He has a fan base that only likes his powers and nothing about his actual character and story. 
#45 Edited by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @TheFlash4740 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:
" Superman "
Reasons? "
Barry doesn't have the knowledge of the Speed force like Wally does. While Barry is a kick ass Flash we have yet to see him hit someone harder than Supes can hit, steal Kinetic Energy, or use the SF as wily as Wally has. I think most people are operating off the idea maybe since Barry is the source of the speed force he should be the most powerful. But up to now he has no feats that support that he is anywhere near as powerful as Wally is/was. Wally grew and learned from the speed force, essentially became a part of it. Barry just seems to run really fast. Superman could incapacitate him after a relative drawn out fight (between super speed heroes). Superman wins via KO. Barry just hasn't shown anything yet that suggest he could defeat Supes "
I agree with everything except that. Barry has always been the Smartest, next to Max Mercury. Im sure you've seen the "Flash Facts" in the Flash Comics, Barry Originated those if i do recall. He uses the SF Smartly, Given he isnt as..."In tune" with it as Wally as we all know.
 
I would give the edge to superman here as well. But Barry would hold his own for a short while.
#46 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3902 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D: 
So.....he's not in your top 5 favorites then...?
#47 Posted by SlimJ87D (10556 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheFlash4740 said:
" @Supermanwithatan01 said:
" @TheFlash4740 said:
" @Supermanwithatan01 said:
" Superman "
Reasons? "
Barry doesn't have the knowledge of the Speed force like Wally does. While Barry is a kick ass Flash we have yet to see him hit someone harder than Supes can hit, steal Kinetic Energy, or use the SF as wily as Wally has. I think most people are operating off the idea maybe since Barry is the source of the speed force he should be the most powerful. But up to now he has no feats that support that he is anywhere near as powerful as Wally is/was. Wally grew and learned from the speed force, essentially became a part of it. Barry just seems to run really fast. Superman could incapacitate him after a relative drawn out fight (between super speed heroes). Superman wins via KO. Barry just hasn't shown anything yet that suggest he could defeat Supes "
I agree with everyone except that. Barry has always been the Smartest, next to Max Mercury. Im sure you've seen the "Flash Facts" in the Flash Comics, Barry Originated those if i do recall. He uses the SF Smartly, Given he isnt as..."In tune" with it as Wally as we all know.  I would give the edge to superman here as well. But Barry would hold his own for a short while. "
Superman still does have weaknesses, while the Flash has none. I think Barry could collect Kryptonite rather quickly. 
#48 Posted by SlimJ87D (10556 posts) - - Show Bio
@Supermanwithatan01 said:
" @SlimJ87D:  So.....he's not in your top 5 favorites then...? "
I respect him, but I am annoyed by his non comic book reading fans. 
#49 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1263 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D: He is not weak to Kryptonite like he use to be. He can sustain it for a good amount of time now
#50 Posted by SlimJ87D (10556 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheFlash4740 said:
" @SlimJ87D: He is not weak to Kryptonite like he use to be. He can sustain it for a good amount of time now "
I know, but it doesn't hurt for Flash to run, collect Kryptonite and stuff them in his suit and continue to fight superman for awhile. 
 
Otherwise, Superman has the advantage in many ways.