#1 Posted by WhiteLantern#1 (699 posts) - - Show Bio

Since Barry created the speed force unknowingly, Bart Allen absorbed it and was evidently a beast, Wally has mastered the speed force and has a mainline unbreakable connection to it.
 

I am utterly confused on the Flash. I've heard that Wally is the most powerful Flash and is quite possible the fastest thing in existance. I've heard he draws his power and is forever connected to the speed force, and can not be cut off from it. I've read that Bart Allen AND Barry Allen have both become one with the speed force at there own respected times. And that Barry is the most powerful and the coolest. I've heard that Bart is the most powerful Flash because he absorbed the Whole Speed Force (heard the same Barry too, just in different ways) 
 
Basically I have heard really good arguments for them all. And Barry is back, Bart is alive, and Wally is still alive... Soo who is the most powerful of the 3. I threw Jay in because I'm sure someone will have an argument for him too... Please give serious answers and not "Its wally because hes the funniest" type stuff. Wally IS my favorite Flash but ONLY because I don't really know about the others... Anyways  
 
1) Who is the Fastest Flash?  Of AllTime? andNow?
2) Who is the Most Powerful Flash? Of All Time? andNow
  
Oh and if you have any kickass Flash scans please post.
   
#2 Posted by Zoom (14750 posts) - - Show Bio

Just go to the Flash board.  This has been answered several times.
#3 Posted by WhiteLantern#1 (699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
"Just go to the Flash board.  This has been answered several times. "

There are soo many debates and arguements over the fastest flashand the most powerful. I like Wally the most but I don't know if he's the fastest.
#4 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7248 posts) - - Show Bio

just keep reading the current run of flash, i'm sure they will make something happen to show that Barry is the best

#5 Posted by WhiteLantern#1 (699 posts) - - Show Bio
@the human Juggernaut:
Thanks man. I like Barry too. Especially since he and Wally defeated Prof. Zoom and Zoom via speed. Thats more like it. HAHA
#6 Posted by Krakoa (815 posts) - - Show Bio

What? No love for Jay Garrick?

#7 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7248 posts) - - Show Bio
@Krakoa said:
" What? No love for Jay Garrick? "
there is plenty, he's just too old to be the fastest anymore.  When he was in his prime he was very fast too.
#8 Posted by Krakoa (815 posts) - - Show Bio
@the human Juggernaut: yeah, I know, but a guy can have his head stuck in the Golden Age, can't he? lol. 
#9 Posted by Superguy1591 (6116 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally is the fastest and best. Wally, unlike Barry and Bart, can steal other people's speed and add it to his own. 

#10 Posted by WhiteLantern#1 (699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Superguy1591:
I have found a lot of scans of Wally defeating Zoom and of Zoom defeating Wally. As well as Barry defeating Zoom and vice versa... Sooo Can the current Wally/Barry defeat current Zoom/Professor Zoom? (again)
#11 Posted by beatboks1 (7892 posts) - - Show Bio

Way I see it (and I could be wrong because I read 1 issue or rebirth and hated it) Wally is still currently the fastest. He's had the most experience in using the speed force, and is the most adept at it's applications. Bart was the fastest for a while when he absorbed the speed force into him (now gone). Barry probably will end up being the fastest since he's the reason for the speed forces existence and should have a stronger connection to it than the others(and as far as DC's concerned he's the "Flash god" now), once he's gained experience with it. To this point that hasn't happened.

#12 Posted by Superguy1591 (6116 posts) - - Show Bio
@WhiteLantern#1: I have no idea to be honest.  
 
It's all up to the writers. 
#13 Edited by WhiteLantern#1 (699 posts) - - Show Bio

 

^is this Bart moving faster than Zoom?  
 
 

 

^Is this wally west and hunter zolomon they are referring to? 
 
 
 
@Zoom
said:

"Just go to the Flash board.  This has been answered several times. "


Hey can you help me with something? I have this pic of Flash and Zoom and it says Bart Allen and Zoom 2? Hunter Zolomon is that really who this is?
#14 Posted by WhiteLantern#1 (699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom: 
I'm really confused about Zoom and Flash... Bart and Wally have been Hunter? and Barry has defeated Prof Zoom? Which Zoom is better? and where is Zoom now? (They are both alive now right)
#15 Posted by SilverMan91 (483 posts) - - Show Bio

about Barry being the fastest because he created the speed force is not nessecarily true, heres what i mean: the guy that made the first microprocessor, it was made for calculators and could only deal with numbers, but then you have the guys that came after him and developed it for computers and into the machine you have infront of you right now moving at speeds that the original creator never even had imagined, even Stan Lee himself said that he never would have imagined that his comic book creations would do things like what their doing today (Stan Lee is awsome, dont get me wrong) all im saying is that just because you created somthing dosent mean your the best at it in the whole world.
#16 Posted by beatboks1 (7892 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver man said:

" about Barry being the fastest because he created the speed force is not necessarily true, here's what i mean: the guy that made the first microprocessor, it was made for calculators and could only deal with numbers, but then you have the guys that came after him and developed it for computers and into the machine you have in front of you right now moving at speeds that the original creator never even had imagined, even Stan Lee himself said that he never would have imagined that his comic book creations would do things like what their doing today (Stan Lee is awesome, don't get me wrong) all I'm saying is that just because you created something dosen't mean your the best at it in the whole world. "

If you'll notice, I never said he "was" the fastest at all. I said that he "probably" will be the fastest (once he gains enough experience on the applications of the speed force). In any case it's a completely different  situation to the one your describing. In your example your talking about a piece of invented technology that another inventor than enhances in a newer better model. In the case of the speed force, we are talking about an energy field that all the Flashes tap into for their power. If a being causes or caused an energy field that he and others can tap into for power (and are linked to), it is only reasonable to assume that his link to said energy field is stronger than the others who can access it. It's  reasonable to assume because there must be some resonance to the field that is keyed to their base sequence or atomic structure (if the energy field is psychic in nature than a link to their brainwave patters).
#17 Posted by SilverMan91 (483 posts) - - Show Bio
@beatboks1:
for starters i wasnt even quoting you or did i ever reply to you directly to say that i was talking specifically about you, i was talking about many other pople ive seen elsewere were they say that he IS ...not WILL BE...IS the fastest because of this same reason, second: never did i say that he isnt the fastest flash out there or WILL BE for that matter, all i said was that i think that it is flawed to based the whole thing on the one stated fact alone, so i really didnt argue agaisnt you dude, he lacks the feets which other flashes indeed have, weather he will obtain even greater feats has yet to be seen (not saying that he will never obtain such feets) one fact like this, for me at least does not give him the title "fastest man alive", so like i said before i was really never arguing agaisnt you.
#18 Posted by velle37 (6122 posts) - - Show Bio
@WhiteLantern#1 said:
"@Zoom: I'm really confused about Zoom and Flash... Bart and Wally have been Hunter? and Barry has defeated Prof Zoom? Which Zoom is better? and where is Zoom now? (They are both alive now right) "

Wally lost to Zoom at first because Zoom was insanely faster than him, then the second time they fight Wally beats Zoom, and Barry beats Professor Zoom. 
 
Before Wally's upgrade Professor Zoom has toyed with him, but afterward Wally beat Professor Zoom. I haven't seen Barry beat Zoom, but the scan above looks like Bart, since he's sayng "Grandma" to someone who is most likely Iris. So since Bart had contained the entire speed force, it's possible he may have been moving faster than Zoom in this fight or he was just distracting Zoom so they could tranq him. 
 
Zoom has been depicted as more powerful than Professor Zoom. And Wally's feats surpass those or Barry's (though pretty soon there may be something that happens to put Barry back on top, since he created the speed force). 
 
Zoom manipulates time to have speed, and is far faster than any of the flashes in most portrayals, though Wally has caught him at least once with no assistance. Professor Zoom is just as sfast as Barry, who is slower than Wally. Professor Zoom also created the negative speed force which poisons speedsters who use the speed force and kills them. Though this was not seen in his appearance when both Wally and Barry took on their respective Zooms, the last time he used it, they had to trap the Professor in something to prevent him from running and generating this negative energy. Similarly, with every step he takes, Barry generates the positive speed force.
#19 Posted by Video_Martian (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

This topic's stupid, Barry is clearly the fastest, followed by Wally.

#20 Posted by beatboks1 (7892 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver man:   Cool, I only made that assumption because I was the only one to put forward any argument (in this thread) about Barry some day (possibly)being the Fastest due to hias being the source of the speed force..
#21 Posted by WhiteLantern#1 (699 posts) - - Show Bio
@velle37:
Thanks, Do you think Barry will surpass Wally and Barts feats?
#22 Posted by WhiteLantern#1 (699 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump. The question from the OP wasn't answered. Anyone wanna take a shot at it now?

#23 Posted by jasraj (4924 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally West

#24 Posted by jasraj (4924 posts) - - Show Bio
@WhiteLantern#1 said:
"@velle37: Thanks, Do you think Barry will surpass Wally and Barts feats? "

I think Barry is already than faster than Bart, but Wally is clearly the fastest here
#25 Posted by WhiteLantern#1 (699 posts) - - Show Bio
@jasraj: Yeah I know Wally's faster but with Barry being THE Flash now and them kinda kickin wally and bart out that kinda leaves room to think maybe since Barry is the source of the Speedforce then he could possibly be the fastest
#26 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (4706 posts) - - Show Bio

Man BUMP!!!
 
Read the Original Post! It's been stated that Bart could have been faster than all the Flashes combined because of his "unique" connection to the speedforce. Wally IS the fastest Flash and Barry IS the Flash now and also the very source of the speed force. Soo anyone know how to answer the OP or something? I'm intrigued.

#27 Posted by karrob (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

Id say Wally and Barry are neck and neck

#28 Posted by Zoom (14750 posts) - - Show Bio
@karrob said:
"Id say Wally and Barry are neck and neck "

Until Wally steals his speed.
#29 Posted by TheFlash4740 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio
@WhiteLantern#1 said:
" @velle37: Thanks, Do you think Barry will surpass Wally and Barts feats? "
I sure as hell hope not. Geoffs love for the Silver Age is rediculous. Wally in my mind will always be the best. Barry will probly surpass them both..which will be bs
#30 Posted by JCJQLB (2933 posts) - - Show Bio
Wally!
#31 Edited by TheFlash4740 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

And Did Bart have any feats while he absorbed the SF inside him? I know he died before he really did anything, but did he something while with it inside him?

#32 Posted by Mercy_ (92784 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally

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#33 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (4706 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress: haha really had to bump this?
#34 Posted by Mercy_ (92784 posts) - - Show Bio
@Supermanwithatan01: Yup. :P
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#35 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (4706 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress:  Ha I JUST answered this question on that other Chicks post.
#36 Posted by PrinceIMC (5505 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
"@karrob said:
"Id say Wally and Barry are neck and neck "
Until Wally steals his speed. "

Barry generates the Speed Force though. It's possible that he could be the only person Wally can't steal speed from. Wally is faster but Barry is the source.
#37 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (4706 posts) - - Show Bio
@PrinceIMC:  Well I wish DC would come out with more of a picture on Barrys powerset and what exactly being the Source means
#38 Posted by PrinceIMC (5505 posts) - - Show Bio
@Supermanwithatan01 said:
" @PrinceIMC:  Well I wish DC would come out with more of a picture on Barrys powerset and what exactly being the Source means "

Same here. Yeah they're all fast but what makes them different. I think Wally should stay as the fastest and he's got the most speed force related skills. Bart can memorize things unlike other speedsters. I hope Barry and Jesse can develop some new skills that set them apart from the other speedsters.
#39 Edited by velle37 (6122 posts) - - Show Bio
@PrinceIMC said:
"@Zoom said:
"@karrob said:
"Id say Wally and Barry are neck and neck "
Until Wally steals his speed. "
Barry generates the Speed Force though. It's possible that he could be the only person Wally can't steal speed from. Wally is faster but Barry is the source. "

Interesting hypothesis....... 

 
@WhiteLantern#1

said:
"@velle37: Thanks, Do you think Barry will surpass Wally and Barts feats? "

Barry already has some pretty goods feats. Like helping save the multiverse by destroying Anit-Monitor's machines. 
 
But speed wise he has a lot to accomplish to top Wally. Bart doesn't have as many feats, but he has some good ones. 
 
Most likely some new good feats will be attributed to Barry. They just made him the creator of the speedforce somehow, I'm sure something else ridiculous will happen.
#40 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (4706 posts) - - Show Bio
@PrinceIMC:  Ha Bart is pretty much the Anakin here man, he's got the unlimited potential... Wally is the most powerful because he's the fastest and he's had the most experience right now. Which could change soon.
#41 Posted by PirateKing69 (4235 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally West

#42 Posted by Taliax (513 posts) - - Show Bio

XS is pretty fast as well, fast enough to travel through time and meet her ancestor Bart. I think Bart has the potential to be the best of the 3 mentioned here though with Wally being the best currently.

#43 Posted by PowerHerc (86127 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Wally better as a character, but Barry is the fastest.  Always will be.

#44 Posted by comicdude23 (11904 posts) - - Show Bio
@Taliax said:
"XS is pretty fast as well, fast enough to travel through time and meet her ancestor Bart. I think Bart has the potential to be the best of the 3 mentioned here though with Wally being the best currently. "

XS can't match Barry or Wally
#45 Posted by comicdude23 (11904 posts) - - Show Bio
Barry is the engine to the Speed Force,
#46 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (4706 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump, is Barry faster than Wally now? Better feats I mean... I'd like to kinda get caught up the spark note/paraphrasing way.

#47 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (4706 posts) - - Show Bio

Come on guys/girls

#48 Posted by blackadamFTW (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

Bart is the fasted and most powerful Flash.

#49 Posted by nickthedevil (14853 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

Bart is the fasted and most powerful Flash.

*scoff* Reverse Flash *scoff*

#50 Posted by blackadamFTW (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickthedevil: He doesn't count!!!

Even if he did, Bart (as Flash)>Eobard.