barragan (bleach) vs incredible hulk

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#1  Edited By flashback0180

In character. No soul crush. Fight to the death.

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#2  Edited By Jestersmiles

Pretty sure you mean barragan, and since respira never been used on someone with the HF of hulk. Hulk should just punch him and win

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Hulk becomes dust.

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#4  Edited By BoringPerson

@jestersmiles: Respira doesn't do damage... it just ages things.

Healing factor shouldn't matter as long as it is possible for Hulk to age to death.

Considering Respira could age/kill Shinigami who can live to be tens of thousands of years old Hulk should probably lose.

Barragan also has flight and Respira is a ranged weapon... at the very least it's a stalemate in Barragan's favor as he's faster with Sonido and has flight/ranged attacks in Respira and Cero/Gran Rey Cero...

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Hulk dies of age.

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@jestersmiles:

1. hollows have healing factor as the king of hueco Mundo I'm sure he had defeated people with better regeneration than hulks like many hallows.

2.He can age stuff that last 1000s ++ of years in a instant. That's greater than hulks healing factor .

3 . even hulk ages mistro hulk is Ur prime example

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@flashback0180: Maestro Hulk is from an Alternate Future Earth

with better regeneration than hulks like many hallows. I am going to need proof of that..

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@jestersmiles: this is still incredible hulk, maestro hulk has the basic biological composition of hulk. If hulk could become that old in just 100 years there is no proof that says he will be alive softer ageing 1000s of years in seconds.

Many of the espada have regenerated their limbs in a instant, yammy is a example

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@flashback0180: Nice, but hulk regenerated his guts being torn apart in seconds.

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#11  Edited By flashback0180

@jestersmiles: hollows don't have guts they feed on sprit partials , we are talking about the speed of regeneration. It's probably faster than hulks

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@flashback0180: Yeah hulk is slow, I give you that but he has handle people faster than himself quite often.

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if hulk touch barragan....then it a will be over...... hulk die in a second

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Hulk ages slowly but he isn't immortal. Hulk could never touch Barragan or harm him in any way and Barragan would one shot Hulk.

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This is a mismatch as hulk stands no chance.

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#16  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

Thunderclap. GG.

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#17 juiceboks  Moderator

I don't think people realize Baraggan doesn't start in his Resurreccion state..Hulk oneshots him before he gets a chance to do so.

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#18  Edited By Thekillerklok

@juiceboks said:

I don't think people realize Baraggan doesn't start in his Resurreccion state..Hulk oneshots him before he gets a chance to do so.

Since when is the hulk fast enough to tag baraggan? a being simular to a ghost mind you. also since when can the hulk fly. does he jump?

isn't soi fan one of the faster of the shinigami?

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Baraggan easily.

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#20  Edited By juiceboks  Moderator

@thekillerklok: Since when does Baraggan use his speed to dodge every attack coming his way? He blocks hits more often that not..which will proof to be his downfall if he tries to do so against Hulk.

Yes..Hulk will jump to him if he decides to float in the air out of reach(again..not in character). Hulk can jump at escape velocity..Baraggan would most certainly get caught off guard at something coming at him anywhere close to that fast.

Even if somehow can't get a hold of Baraggan..one thunderclap will do him in.

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#21 mr_ingenuity  Moderator

@pierpat said:

Hulk dies of age.

No He wouldn't. Hulk durability & healing factor has resisted the effects of the time stream. Which can age parts of someone to death & infancy simultaneously.

Timestream is superior to Barragan

Thunderclap. GG.

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#22  Edited By TheMagicStik

@juiceboks said:

I don't think people realize Baraggan doesn't start in his Resurreccion state..Hulk oneshots him before he gets a chance to do so.

You really think a base Hulk punch is going to one shot Barragan?

Edit: Also his time powers aren't exclusive to his Resurrecion form, just amplified and expanded upon.

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@pierpat said:

Hulk dies of age.

No He wouldn't. Hulk durability & healing factor has resisted the effects of the time stream. Which can age parts of someone to death & infancy simultaneously.

Timestream is superior to Barragan

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Thunderclap. GG.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Timestream_Armor

I am going to have to ask for scans of this. as IDK

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#24  Edited By mr_ingenuity  Moderator

@thekillerklok: The amor allowed Hulk to make jumps through time offering very little protection and the reason they chose Hulk. Every available character didn't have the durability (excluding Thor wasn't present ATT). Considering this is Sheild & another department working a joint mission that's quite the pool.

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@pierpat said:

Hulk dies of age.

No He wouldn't. Hulk durability & healing factor has resisted the effects of the time stream. Which can age parts of someone to death & infancy simultaneously.

Timestream is superior to Barragan

@princearagorn1 said:

Thunderclap. GG.

Gumby pretty much take this, I knew hulk HF was broken lol.

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#26  Edited By Thekillerklok

also don't zanpakutos follow there own set of rules for durability?

as in it's a spiritual force based off of Reiatsu instead of a physical one.

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Gamma burst or Thunder Clap ftw.

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Hulk wins most times, 7/10. Barragan's respira will work on Hulk. But Hulk is durable and strong and fast enough to take down Barragan. If Barragan gets a headshot, hulk is a goner in time, likewise Hulk cannot remove the respira unless that part is removed before it spreads.

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@rithik: Hulk durability & healing factor has resisted the effects of the time stream. Which can age parts of someone to death & infancy simultaneously.

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@rithik: Hulk durability & healing factor has resisted the effects of the time stream. Which can age parts of someone to death & infancy simultaneously.

while wearing http://marvel.wikia.com/Timestream_Armor apparently....

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@thekillerklok: Again it was explain that was to allow to time jump not to survive it.

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hulk Survives the effects of the Time-stream without his armor. it really shows off his durability.

http://www.comicvine.com/hulk/4005-2267/forums/hulk-respect-thread-1449573/

Indestructible Hulk #14

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@jestersmiles: Thanks I finally found the scan I was looking for.

I changed my mind.

Hulk does not turn to dust. he gets decapitated.

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@thekillerklok: adamantium bullets couldnt pierce hulks skin, what does this guy have that could do any different?

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@thekillerklok: adamantium bullets couldnt pierce hulks skin, what does this guy have that could do any different?

a sword that isn't based off of physical durability?

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Hulk becomes dust.

@thekillerklok: adamantium bullets couldnt pierce hulks skin, what does this guy have that could do any different?

Barragan can age to dust shinigami who can live thousands of years without aging in an instant and kido, spirit particles that last for hundreds of thousands of years unchanged within seconds turn to dust.

It does not need to cut Hulk. Barragan can let Hulk attack him or vice versa. Its the same thing either way.... Hulk turns to dust. Simple as that.

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@sophia89 said:

Hulk is so impressed he claps for Braggan.

usually snashes before clapping

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@lowlaville: one of the Chronacists tried the same thing on hulk, suffice to say it didn't really work. I'm not buying it'll turn hulk to dust.

And no, recently he's been clapping first, smashing later.

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@lowlaville: one of the Chronacists tried the same thing on hulk, suffice to say it didn't really work. I'm not buying it'll turn hulk to dust.

And no, recently he's been clapping first, smashing later.

curious. Tried what exactly? And how does it work?

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@lowlaville: ageing him, they had these things that allowed them to control time. They froze hulk in place and tried ageing him, they turned normal people to dust in a second but hulk aged incredibly slowly and only had a big beard to show for it. Besides we don't even know if there's a limit to hulks age, his healing factor constantly heals his cells so he shouldn't be able to die of old age. Not to mention he can't really die from being being reduced to molecules, it happened to maestro but he eventually came back.

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@juiceboks said:

I don't think people realize Baraggan doesn't start in his Resurreccion state..Hulk oneshots him before he gets a chance to do so.

Since when is the hulk fast enough to tag baraggan? a being simular to a ghost mind you. also since when can the hulk fly. does he jump?

isn't soi fan one of the faster of the shinigami?

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One of the fastest in bleachverse actually. Her shunpo is rated 3rd or 4th counting Aizen, Yoruichi and Ichigo. #1 among the former gotel 13.

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@lowlaville: ageing him, they had these things that allowed them to control time. They froze hulk in place and tried ageing him, they turned normal people to dust in a second but hulk aged incredibly slowly and only had a big beard to show for it. Besides we don't even know if there's a limit to hulks age, his healing factor constantly heals his cells so he shouldn't be able to die of old age. Not to mention he can't really die from being being reduced to molecules, it happened to maestro but he eventually came back.

You are sort of assuming NLF there. An extremely weaker version of Barragan's power was tried and it did not work. This case is different. Barragan's power works fast. Incredibly fast. Can you make an argument that Hulk's regeneration is greater than Barragan's ability that ages tens of thousands of years in an instant? I bet not. That's why you are assuming NLF.

I don't see how Hulk comes back if he turns into nothing and disappears in an instant, cells, atoms, bones, soul (important - Banner).

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@mr_ingenuity said:

@pierpat said:

Hulk dies of age.

No He wouldn't. Hulk durability & healing factor has resisted the effects of the time stream. Which can age parts of someone to death & infancy simultaneously.

Timestream is superior to Barragan

Sounds cool, when did that happen?

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#50  Edited By BoringPerson

@juiceboks said:

@thekillerklok: Since when does Baraggan use his speed to dodge every attack coming his way? He blocks hits more often that not..which will proof to be his downfall if he tries to do so against Hulk.

Yes..Hulk will jump to him if he decides to float in the air out of reach(again..not in character). Hulk can jump at escape velocity..Baraggan would most certainly get caught off guard at something coming at him anywhere close to that fast.

Even if somehow can't get a hold of Baraggan..one thunderclap will do him in.

If the Hulk moves fast enough to surprise Barragan, Barragan will react with sonido. That's basically one of his like two feats of using sonido. When he was surprised by an unexpected attack, he freaked out and sonido'd reflexively.

Barragan also has hierro like all of the other Espada. Not particularly noteworthy hierro, but hierro none the less which is best used as a defense against blunt force strikes. Bladed/pinpoint attacks are actually their weakness.

Most damningly... Barragan doesn't seem to enjoy fighting on the ground much. He much rather enjoys ominously looming over his opponents... meaning he'd probably start the fight by going airborne to go sit on his Bone Throne. Barragan has flight, enjoys flight, has better speed than Hulk in his base form, and can accidentally oneshot Hulk with Respira once it's active.

The entire argument is kind of ludicrous to me...

Hulk has to basically bullrush/thunderclap to begin the fight against skilled combatant Barragan and kill him before he can 1 use sonido to get into the air making it at worst a stalemate, or 2 activate Respira which will either do nothing to Hulk or instantly kill him/reduce him to a skeleton for incap.