I guessed he means the comic version of Azula, which is where she clowned Ty Lee and Suki together under pretty unfavourable circumstances.
And the most fights i saw from Storm weren't that impressive in H2H, but stomp could be maybe a bit too exaggerated. I'm still sure that Azula would win pretty comfortably though.
I think I know what you're talking about, but I saw someone say that she didn't really defeat them, just got those nice hits in. Can you post the scans if you have em? Still it's a great feat for Azula but that feat alone I don't think would guarantee a win here.
The most impressive h2h fight I believe she fought in was against the Dora Milaje, BP's personal guards who are trained by BP himself. They fought Black Widow (one of the top h2h fighters in the marvel universe) and were sent to kill Storm. She had already been hit in the face with a gun (twice) and tumbled through she managed to fight well against them, also it was a personal fight and they wanted her dead themselves. (2nd and 3rd scans are switched)
@shepardoakenprime: It's not that feat alone. Here it is BTW:
Firstly, I don't see Storm replicating this. But there's also these stuff:
How fast is Storm btw?
@shepardoakenprime: Well Azula didn't even tried to beat them, and it's actually pretty hard to tell how a longer fight without bending would have looked like(with Azula being serious and bending would both have ended as burgers though, and she showed at the very least that she should be able to beat either 1on1 without bending). But especially Suki had almost zero buisness against her, here are two other encounters from that comic(also important, Azula wasn't rly serious especially not against Zuko most of the time in Smoke and Shadow for particular reasons):
Btw. that's by far the most impressive h2h fight i've seen from Storm, but i still don't think it's enough to beat Azula.
@shepardoakenprime: Azula proved a more skilled martial artist than Ty Lee and Suki combined. She blitzed Mai in mid-air and she has a shuriken here.
Can you post the scans? It's still impressive but those feats alone don't just equate to being above everything Storms has done. Blitzing someone in mid-air isn't that impressive since they can't defend themselves, but I'd like to see it still if you're willing. Unless I never saw it I thought Azula has either zero or maybe 1 feat using a shuriken but if I'm mistaken please correct me, even though I'm not sure Azula having one is standard gear I just said she might to make it more fair. Storm always carries a knife with her and she has actually won knife battles twice and another time she used it against a mutate twice her mass. The fight against Callisto is very impressive because she is someone who has sparred against a serious Wolverine and has enhanced strength, agility and reaction time yet Storm beat her. I can post scans if you'd like.
Storm has some impressive feats of speed as well.
And manages to trip up Wolverine using her speed and greater extension as Bishop states. This showing is perfect for this battle since it shows she knows how to make up for stats she might not have compared to Azula. I don't think she'd blitz her by any means but she's got some feats showing off her stats as well.
Edit: Oh this was perfect for your newest response lol.
Can you post the scans? It's still impressive but those feats alone don't just equate to being above everything Storms has done. Blitzing someone in mid-air isn't that impressive since they can't defend themselves, but I'd like to see it still if you're willing. Unless I never saw it I thought Azula has either zero or maybe 1 feat using a shuriken but if I'm mistaken please correct me, even though I'm not sure Azula having one is standard gear I just said she might to make it more fair
I actually already posted the Mai feat, and you missunderstood him Azula was the one in mid-air.
Azula had the shuriken in day of the black sun(as she had no bending), she never used it but should have had training from Mai. And i also posted the end of the fireblade fight with Zuko(which needs relative comparable skills), here is the short rest(keep in mind that Azula even held back, i could also post the reason why if you want?):
@shepardoakenprime: It's not that feat alone. Here it is BTW:
Firstly, I don't see Storm replicating this. But there's also these stuff:
Hmm I don't think it would be a stretch to say she could pull it off, but when Azula fought against Zuko I agree she couldn't (or would at least use a different tactic). If anything though her fight against Suki and Ty Lee shows off her speed more than her skill, especially considering all she did was slap and kick them. Like DeathHero said I'd think in a prolonged battle she wouldn't likely come out the winner. To say she out-skilled them both by a few hits is reaching just a bit, especially if I did the same and said Storm out-skilled the Dora Milaje with the hits she put in. People would laugh if I said that and it's not that different than what you're basing Azula's skill on in that one scan, and I'd think Storm's fight is more impressive. It is still impressive none the less, but my view on it really just proves that Azula can actually have a good chance in this battle, and not that it proves she's more skilled than those two and Storm.
@katrurius17 said:
@shepardoakenprime: Well Azula didn't even tried to beat them, and it's actually pretty hard to tell how a longer fight without bending would have looked like(with Azula being serious and bending would both have ended as burgers though, and she showed at the very least that she should be able to beat either 1on1). But especially Suki had almostzero buisness against her, here are two other encounters from that comic(also important, Azula wasn't rly serious especially not against Zuko most of the time in Smoke and Shadow for particular reasons):
Btw. that's by far the most impressive h2h fight i've seen from Storm, but i still don't think it's enough to beat Azula.
Nice scans I haven't seen those in a while so I'm glad you brought them up. The first one proves that Storm shouldn't throw her knife at her (though I doubt she would being her only weapon) and a nice showing of her using her force against Mai. She definitely knows when to strike which I think would be the deciding factor of her winning some scenarios.
I agree that fight alone doesn't prove it, but it's one of her fights that shows she can hang with people who are above her skill and stats. I'm gonna make a post showing her stats and some h2h fights that people might not have seen or know.
Can you post the scans? It's still impressive but those feats alone don't just equate to being above everything Storms has done. Blitzing someone in mid-air isn't that impressive since they can't defend themselves, but I'd like to see it still if you're willing. Unless I never saw it I thought Azula has either zero or maybe 1 feat using a shuriken but if I'm mistaken please correct me, even though I'm not sure Azula having one is standard gear I just said she might to make it more fair
I actually already posted the Mai feat, and you missunderstood him Azula was the one in mid-air.
Azula had the shuriken in day of the black sun(as she had no bending), she never used it but should have had training from Mai. And i also posted the end of the fireblade fight with Zuko(which needs relative comparable skills), here is the short rest(keep in mind that Azula even held back, i could also post the reason why if you want?):
I see that now thanks for clarifying, much more impressive than I thought.
Yes but that's the only time she had a shuriken and it could be she only had it during that time because she didn't have her bending. It's possible she got training from her but it's speculation and we can't assume she'd be as good as Mai.
Azula has proven to definitely be more skilled than Zuko at h2h and is on the list as one of the top fighters in their universe which is why I think this battle is very close. Just in the end Storm's track record, fighting and tactician experience might give her the edge IMO.
Okay here are some showings of Storm fighting with a knife. First is Callisto:
Fights mutate twice her mass that is admittedly fodder but she showed some good strength and skills with her knife:
Last fight is against Marrow, someone who has enhanced strength, durability, reflexes and healing. She was trained by Callisto and has years of combat fighting experience. This is basically another showing of Storm beating someone who is superior to her and in the end beats her by ripping out her heart. It's also similar to Azula's fights against Zuko with fire-knives.
Some scans showing her strength and agility.
Now for some actual h2h feats:
I could go more into her stats and show more h2h fights but I think that's good.
@katrurius17 said:
Finally posted some scans.
Yeah most of her h2h/physcials showings are in the comics, the only considerable ones in the show are when she fought Zuko and Suki I think.
Sure I'm interested, I really should read the comics one day :P
Very nice :D
Well her fighting style is very physically(relative typical for firebenders actually), so there should be enough related feats. Also a lot of agility and acrobatic feats.
Ok but i put it into a spoiler then:
@katrurius17: Oh yeah she has more physical feats in the show you're right. And I think Azula has better agility and possibly speed but I'm not convinced she has the skill to take majority.
Ooh okay that's cool and makes sense now. I liked the sane Azula better, much more threatening and interesting.
I'm still convinced, but ok :D.
Well she is mostly like sane Azula(has followers like the Dai Li, makes political plans, is overwhelmingly strong and so on), just with a bit Joker mixed in XD. Here is a good example how she even uses her seemingly insanity to threaten someone(you know him actually):
Oh and she had something to fight(or at least pierce) in the southern raiders too:
@shepardoakenprime: Very nice set of scans and points brought up. I enjoyed reading both your stance and @katrurius17's in reference to Azula.
I would add that Storm took on Hand Ninja Assassins without powers with Wolverine in a flashback scene in Wolverine & the X-Men Vol.2 #11. It is one her most impressive showings.
So not only has Storm dealt with skilled martial artist without her powers, but she's also dealt with them in large numbers using shurikens, swords and daggers...
There's also her fight with Nightshade, who had extensive martial arts and acrobatics training and was able to impress Colleen Wing.
and Khan, who was able to swiftly defeat Viper in a fight.
I would highly recommend checking out @thunderbolt30's Season Combat Veteran thread that involve a large amount of Storm's h2h and combat skill feats.
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