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In this battle, Azula and Korra's villains will take on the Red Lotus, but who will win?

Team villains: Azula, Amon (with restrictions), Unalaq, Kuvira

Red Lotus: Zaheer, P'li, Ming Hua, Ghazan

For this battle, Amon has to preserve the illusion of being a nonbender. He can use bending to throw off people's aim, remove bending, everything he did before the finale when he revealed his bending.

Zaheer has no flight. Azula is sane.

Fight takes place in the spirit world by the Tree of Time. There are scattered trees and metal columns for the more agile fighters

All are in character. Villains have had a week to learn to work together. Victory by ko

Who wins?

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Could go either way, I'd love to see Zaheer vs Amon, however honestly i think Zaheer could convince amon that taking away bending is silly, and so on. It'd be interesting seeing those two interact.

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I'd give it to the RL.

Zaheer can effectively counter Kuvira's metal bending

Ghazan's lavabending will quickly drop the amount of water on the field, leaving both Ming Hua and Unalaq without water.

P'Li almost completely neuters Azula except for lightning, and P'Li can put out blasts much faster than Azula can lightning.

Amon will find his agility limited heavily by Ghazan's lava.

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Azula and villains, and the name makes it looks like azula is the leader or most powerful when unalaq and amon is there.

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i honestly don't know

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Team 2, I think.

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#8  Edited By GXrevolution96

Amon solos. He can blood bend. There is not much the Red Lotus can do TBH. Think what how Kuvira controls people with her metal bands. Amon would be doing that, but in more subtly way. The Red Lotus all attack him at once, all he has to do is trip them up manipulating the blood in their leg muscles. P'Li attempts to shoot a combustion blast at him, he bends the the blood in her neck to throw off her aim.

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Azula's team might take this in a very difficult fight.

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@arcus said:

@gxrevolution96: Amon can still be tagged, Tenzin got him

I didn't look to me that Amon was trying to blood bend. Remember, no believed Korra that he was Yakone's son, so he was still trying to maintain his cover. Additionally, he was unadapted to air bending and was unable to counter it.

Do both teams have prep?

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@arcus: With the week to prep, Azula would undoubtedly find out about Amon's bloodbending and probably tell him to use it subtly in the battle. Her strategic mind is pretty sound as far as tacticians go in the Avatar universe. With the week's prep, the conditions favour her team. Also Unalaq>Ming Hua so that battle would have an obvious outcome. Ghazan could do some damage but the other team members can hold him off from changing the outcome of the battle too decisively, even if they can't beat him. Finally, without Zaheer's flight, he has more chance of being tagged eventually.

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@gxrevolution96: yeah, that's what he's doing here too. He can still use bloodbending covertly (which is what he did in the show) but that's it

The other villains have time to learn how to work together, to make up for the RL's teamwork a bit, but no team has actual prep for the battle as far as strategizing with the other team in mind

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@lvenger: Amon already uses it subtly in battle, that's how he dodges attacks. The prep is just for learning to work together, since the RL already has excellent teamwork.

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Lotus in a very close battle...

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#16  Edited By GXrevolution96

@arcus said:

@gxrevolution96: yeah, that's what he's doing here too. He can still use bloodbending covertly (which is what he did in the show) but that's it

The other villains have time to learn how to work together, to make up for the RL's teamwork a bit, but no team has actual prep for the battle as far as strategizing with the other team in mind

In that case, Team should be able to win. Unalaq is more than a match for Ming-Hua and can certainly keep her busy, if not beat her. Kuvira can take Ghazan with her bands. He is not the most agile guy out there, though it depends on the starting distance. Azula can easily go toe-to-toe with Zaheer. As for P'Li, Amon could just throw off all her attacks or trip her up before she gets off her shot, by subtly bending the blood in her leg muscles, if that counts.

At the same time, it all depends if the Team 1 can can survive Ghazan's initial lava attacks and P'Li's first blast, since they are essentially going into this blind, not knowing what the Red Lotus can do.

Edit: Do we know the range on Amon's psychic blood bending, because that could also be an important factor in this?

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#17  Edited By johnfrank120

Team 1 barely

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@arcus: I pretty much agree wit Jacktheripper.

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@arcus said:

@lvenger: Amon already uses it subtly in battle, that's how he dodges attacks. The prep is just for learning to work together, since the RL already has excellent teamwork.

Wouldn't the work of teamwork lead to some potential plans for prep on how to better work together in battle then?

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@lvenger: yeah. I just meant that they wouldn't be making plans to counter the RL specifically

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Does Unalaq have Dark Avatar mode? I assume not, making it very close, but if he did he'd probably win it for his team.

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#28  Edited By Silverrings

@arcus: Cool, thanks for specifying. Good fight dude.

@lightenupwillya: Yep, that's what i said, too. As it is i'm really not sure who wins this.

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#33  Edited By anthp2000  Moderator

Azula > Ming Hua > Unalaq > Kuvira > P'Li > Ghazan > Zaheer > Amon

Let's see:

  • Azula destroys Zaheer
  • Amon gets blown up by P'Li
  • Ming Hua beats Unalaq in a hell of a fight
  • Kuvira beats Ghazan with mid difficulty

Depends on who gets slaughtered first. Amon or Zaheer? I'd say Amon.
However, sicne Kuvira beats Ghazan faster than Ming Hua beats Unalaq they can tag team someone. Kuvira can make short work of P'Li.

Team 1 for a solid majority.

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#34  Edited By vengefulshot

Individually, team villains with Unalaq being too problematic and having the ability to hold his own 2v1 whilst his team take out the other two. Team Azula also have all they need in Kuvira to take out the RL biggest threat which is P'li.

With perfect team work which the RL sometimes have then they can really take advantage of Amon being outclassed here. They win if that's the case.

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@vengefulshot: Unalaq could only hold his own in a 2v1 against Mako and Bolin due to his plot shield and them being just above average at the time. Ghazan who is better than Unalaq got overpowered by the improved Mako Bros. in seconds. No way he's taking two Red Lotus members at once.

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This really depends on the matchups, but I think I'll favor the RL on account of Amon being a weak link. His subtlety won't help him against Ghazan or P'li, Ming murders him in CQC, and we've already seen that he struggles with airbending.

However, if the villains have an advantageous matchup (Kuvira vs Ghazan, Azula vs Ming Hua, Unalaq vs Zaheer are probably the best matchups for the villains) they can pull out a win.

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@huskii: Unalaq has way better feats than Ghazan including taking on a four element Korra, stomping Tarlock. And it was plot why? Because you said so? Both Mako and Bolin threw powerful attacks at him which he countered with no issues and effortlessly destroyed Bolins defences with some water blasts.

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@vengefulshot: Unalaq taking on a 4 element Korra while also amped by being an Avatar under Harmonic Convergence? Yeah try again. Emphasising how many elements Korra of all people has won't help your case. Ozai with one element under the comet stomps her. Ghazan would destroy Unalaq. Most his impressive feats were while boosted so you got nothing to fight with but his plot shield and luck.

It's plot because anyone with eyes would see that Mako and Bolin were using weaker attacks than what they've shown in the past or litetally minutes ago. Mako didn't use any of his explosive blasts or even go for lightning, when the fate of the world rested in their hands! Had they had their feats not blocked they would have won easily. Plus he still couldn't beat them anyway, that's why he resorted to hiding and calling his kids.

You can't be saying otherwise when an exhausted beaten up Tonraq who wasn't even bending offensively almost stomped him:

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Poor guy literally started floating in the air. Plot stepping in to save Unalaq.

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#39  Edited By vengefulshot

@huskii:

Unalaq taking on a 4 element Korra while also amped by being an Avatar under Harmonic Convergence?

Both amped so it cancels each other out and he actually swatted away several AS attacks all under his own power.

Ozai with one element under the comet stomps he

Give Korra water and fire (with the comet amp) and she would take a majority over Ozai.

Ghazan would destroy Unalaq.

No. Ghazan can't touch Unalaq on a water spout and Unalaq would completely destroy Ghazans defence. Literally one of the worst people in the verse for Ghazan to fight.

It's plot because anyone with eyes would see that Mako and Bolin were using weaker attacks than what they've shown in the past or litetally minutes ago. Mako didn't use any of his explosive blasts or even go for lightning, when the fate of the world rested in their hands! Had they had their feats not blocked they would have won easily. Plus he still couldn't beat them anyway, that's why he resorted to hiding and calling his kids.

No, Mako never goes for lightning. They were IC.

He stomped them actually. Blocked their combined offence and beat them in what was about 45 seconds.

You can't be saying otherwise when an exhausted beaten up Tonraq who wasn't even bending offensively almost stomped him:

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Poor guy literally started floating in the air. Plot stepping in to save Unalaq.

Perfectly IC for Tonraq to use ice ramps and go for CQC combat. Unalaq oneshotted his ice shields and even when getting to CQ, is far faster and out draws him. And he's not just hanging, he's trying to punch him. Exhausted because he'd been fighting some spirits for a minute? Beaten up because he took 1 hit from the twins? Sure.

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@huskii said:

@vengefulshot:

You can't be saying otherwise when an exhausted beaten up Tonraq who wasn't even bending offensively almost stomped him:

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Poor guy literally started floating in the air. Plot stepping in to save Unalaq.

Uh no. Unalaq stomped Tonraq into the ground.

Tonraq was bending with a furious offense right from the beginning. Unalaq just proved early on that Tonraq didn't have the power to trade blow for blow.

As you can see even BEFORE Desna and Eska intervened Unalaq established a clear advantage.
As you can see even BEFORE Desna and Eska intervened Unalaq established a clear advantage.

Once again Tonraq fails to match Unalaq's power and is sent flying
Once again Tonraq fails to match Unalaq's power and is sent flying
He then redirects Tonraq's water blast right back at him with very advanced flash freezing. Which is when Tonraq moves forward but defensively using waterbending(breaking Unalaq's attacks, creating shields, ramps) to close in and use CQC because he thinks that his best option.
He then redirects Tonraq's water blast right back at him with very advanced flash freezing. Which is when Tonraq moves forward but defensively using waterbending(breaking Unalaq's attacks, creating shields, ramps) to close in and use CQC because he thinks that his best option.
Of course Unalaq blitzes him so hard, Tonraq looks like he is moving in slow motion or as you said
Of course Unalaq blitzes him so hard, Tonraq looks like he is moving in slow motion or as you said "floating".

So in conclusion Tonraq went in with a hard offense, got smacked, switched tactics to closing in for attempted CQC and still got smacked. Without even getting a single hit in. Saying this somehow demonstrates Unalaq barely winning is heresy. He demonstrated superior skill, power, and speed all around.

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@tektonic: You're entire post was an unnecessary waste that will be debunked with one screenshot ( plus I wasn't talking to you and Vengeful already made a response so go back up messenger somewhere else ). Did you completely miss the obvious statement I made about Tonraq being exhausted and beaten up from fight in a civil war all day! So of course Unalaq could easily overpower a weakened Tonraq's quick defenses and hit him a little after the twins and spirits already further softened him up.

Here's the screenshot stating so from the official artbook for you unblelievers:

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#42  Edited By Huskii

@vengefulshot: Both amped so it cancels each other out and he actually swatted away several AS attacks all under his own power.

It doesn't cancel out the fact that he's doing thing he wouldn't normally be doing without the amp! Come on...Show me regular Unalaq using a 50 foot tall water spout to jet around or create abysses in the ground.

Give Korra water and fire (with the comet amp) and she would take a majority over Ozai.

Lol.

No. Ghazan can't touch Unalaq on a water spout and Unalaq would completely destroy Ghazans defence. Literally one of the worst people in the verse for Ghazan to fight.

Unalaq can't utilize a water spout without some sort of amp. Now Dark Avatar Unalaq can, but this isn't his battle.

No, Mako never goes for lightning. They were IC.

Nice joke. You were joking? I recall Mako eletrocuting regular fodder without the plot force draining him. He does use lightning in character, whether for quick 1 shot, or last resort kill. And the end of the world is a time to use it, which he has but not against Unalaq! I wonder why?...

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He stomped them actually. Blocked their combined offence and beat them in what was about 45 seconds.

Only because of plot. Later while outside the portal and with an advantage he couldn't even touch them! They were dodging and blocking all of his attacks. So why couldn't he shatter Bolin's defenses then? Just admit that it's plot induced stupidity that he even beat them the first time.

Perfectly IC for Tonraq to use ice ramps and go for CQC combat. Unalaq oneshotted his ice shields and even when getting to CQ, is far faster and out draws him. And he's not just hanging, he's trying to punch him. Exhausted because he'd been fighting some spirits for a minute? Beaten up because he took 1 hit from the twins? Sure.

Now you're making things up. Was it out of character for Tonraq not to fist fight spirits and Zaheer now? Lol. What Tonraq attempted to do to Unalaq was out of character! Of all of Tonraq's fight scenes, never, and I mean never, has he played an evasive, and defensive style, much less straight up attack with his bare hands. Unalaq only won because of his plot shield combined with him facing a Tonraq who had used all of his strength fighting all day along with the twins and spirits. Maybe of you watched the episode...

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Straight out of the artbook. Unalaq would lose to a healthy Tonraq who I'm pretty sure was stated to be superior anyway.

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#43  Edited By Tektonic

@huskii said:

@tektonic: You're entire post was an unnecessary waste that will be debunked with one screenshot ( plus I wasn't talking to you and Vengeful already made a response so go back up messenger somewhere else ). Did you completely miss the obvious statement I m

ade about Tonraq being exhausted and beaten up from fight in a civil war all day! So of course Unalaq could easily overpower a weakened Tonraq's quick defenses and hit him a little after the twins and spirits already further softened him up.

Here's the screenshot stating so from the official artbook for you unblelievers:

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Not sure what you think you debunked.

I proved Tonraq got stomped and you affirmed that by showing that it was the writer's intention to have him get stomped. Completely debunking you saying that Tonraq "almost stomped him" when I and the artbook explains that isn't close to true. So thanks?

At no point is it said that healthy Tonraq would win. And we are given no indication for the rest of the series he could. Unalaq consistently continued to have better feats than Tonraq ever showed for the remainder of the series. He displayed a better understanding of the element creating his own sub skill in Spiritbending and had Vaatu's confidence in fighting the Avatar.

And if you don't like me responding to you on a public forum than don't respond back.

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@tektonic: I proved Tonraq got stomped and you affirmed that by showing that it was the writer's intention to have him get stomped. Completely debunking you saying that Tonraq "almost stomped him" when I and the artbook explains that isn't close to true. So thanks?

I debunked your statement about Unalaq being better all together because he clearly won by taking advantage of Tonraq's physical state and intervention by the twins. Unalaq isn't better than Tonraq nor does he have a better understanding.

At no point is it said that healthy Tonraq would win. And we are given no indication for the rest of the series he could. Unalaq consistently continued to have better feats than Tonraq ever showed for the remainder of the series. He displayed a better understanding of the element creating his own sub skill in Spiritbending and had Vaatu's confidence in fighting the Avatar.

Rewatch the show. Unalaq doesn't gain anymore real feats, he merely gets boosted by becoming an Avatar and half the things people refer to him doing is while undet Harmonic Convergence so calling him better is laughable. Regular unboosted Unalaq gets stomped by Tonraq by feats alone, it's implied/alluded to within the show that Tonraq is stronger, and I even think it was stated by some external source.

And if you don't like me responding to you on a public forum than don't respond back.

Only a coward does that. How about you learn to read and stop restating what the person I was originally talking to said.

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#45  Edited By Tektonic

@huskii said:

I debunked your statement about Unalaq being better all together because he clearly won by taking advantage of Tonraq's physical state and intervention by the twins. Unalaq isn't better than Tonraq nor does he have a better understanding.

Rewatch the show. Unalaq doesn't gain anymore real feats, he merely gets boosted by becoming an Avatar and half the things people refer to him doing is while undet Harmonic Convergence so calling him better is laughable. Regular unboosted Unalaq gets stomped by Tonraq by feats alone, it's implied/alluded to within the show that Tonraq is stronger, and I even think it was stated by some external source.

Only a coward does that. How about you learn to read and stop restating what the person I was originally talking to said.

Again you didn't debunk a single thing aside from yourself.

Fact: I said "So in conclusion Tonraq went in with a hard offense, got smacked, switched tactics to closing in for attempted CQC and still got smacked. Without even getting a single hit in. Saying this somehow demonstrates Unalaq barely winning is heresy. He demonstrated superior skill, power, and speed all around."

So after re-reading this again do you see the issue? I am factually stating that Unalaq demonstrated superior skill, power, and speed in THE FIGHT. And as the artbook will tell you regardless of circumstances Unalaq was meant to show that he had all these advantages. So thank you for proving my point as I analyzed the scene just as the show wanted.

How is spirit bending not proof of better understanding than Tonraq? In order to invent your own sub element you would need to be very in touch with the working of your element. Just like when Iroh invented lightning redirection.

I don't care about his post fusion feats. He doesn't need them his normal ones are just fine. For example...

Call me when Tonraq does any of the following:

Performs an advanced move like the Ice Drill
Performs an advanced move like the Ice Drill
Floates mid air with a stream of water
Floates mid air with a stream of water
Flash freezes his attack after already launching it
Flash freezes his attack after already launching it
Easily blocks a large fire blast and boulder at the same time, sends Mako flying, and destroys an oncoming earth pillar that is being continuously pushed
Easily blocks a large fire blast and boulder at the same time, sends Mako flying, and destroys an oncoming earth pillar that is being continuously pushed

It's never implied or alluded at any point nor is there a single external source that says such nonsense.

Better a coward than a whiner at this point. You're going to have to learn that people can respond to you anytime. Basics of the internet. We all know you will keep engaging so no point complaining about it.

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#46  Edited By Huskii

@tektonic: Fact: I said "So in conclusion Tonraq went in with a hard offense, got smacked, switched tactics to closing in for attempted CQC and still got smacked. Without even getting a single hit in. Saying this somehow demonstrates Unalaq barely winning is heresy. He demonstrated superior skill, power, and speed all around."

Why do you keep restating something so stupidly obvious but completely ignoring the even more obvious context? He demonstrated his superiority in this one scenerio because he was physically in better condition than Tonraq. You are lowballing like a fool now. At this rate I wouldn't be suprised to see you arguing that Zaheer with flight demonstrated "superior skill, power, and speed all around" compared to Avatar State Korra. In regular conditions Unalaq surpasses Tonraq in none of those categories.

So after re-reading this again do you see the issue? I am factually stating that Unalaq demonstrated superior skill, power, and speed in THE FIGHT. And as the artbook will tell you regardless of circumstances Unalaq was meant to show that he had all these advantages. So thank you for proving my point as I analyzed the scene just as the show wanted.

Yes. IN THAT FIGHT, UNDER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES. The artbook will tell you " Unalaq, who took advantage of the fact that his brother has already exhuasted a good portion of his strength..." Can you read? Unalaq is not superior to Tonraq in general like you claim.

How is spirit bending not proof of better understanding than Tonraq? In order to invent your own sub element you would need to be very in touch with the working of your element. Just like when Iroh invented lightning redirection.

You could answer this yourself if you had common sense. "spiritbending" is just that, spiritual. You don't need a deep understanding of waterbending itself! If someonelike Korra picked it up instantly it must require little to no effort anyway. Unalaq merely uses water to channel his spirit connection.

I don't care about his post fusion feats. He doesn't need them his normal ones are just fine. For example...

Well you should because Tonraq has a few tricks up his sleeve too. Also you have some pathetic gifs lmao! Floating 2 feet off the ground with water? Lol! The fact that you think that's worthy of a mention says alot...Can Unalaq skate around on ice ramps? Nope.

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Unalaq can't effortless raise multiple large ice pillars. His ramp alone would evade all of Unalaq's attacks.

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You talked about flash freezing as if it's special but literally every waterbender can do it, that includes turning liquid into a solid in the middle of an attack! Unalaq has never instantly froze something with a ground attack like above.

It's never implied or alluded at any point nor is there a single external source that says such nonsense.

Better a coward than a whiner at this point. You're going to have to learn that people can respond to you anytime. Basics of the internet. We all know you will keep engaging so no point complaining about it.

It is.

I'm not complaining, I'm actually attacking you, if you couldn't pick up the blatant aggression.

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@huskii: What makes you think that Harmonic Convergence amped avatars?

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@mial42: It amps Raava and Vaatu, it's said to be the strongest point for spiritual energy and the Avatars exist because they drew upon it's energy to fuse.

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#49  Edited By Tektonic

@huskii said:

@tektonic:

Why do you keep restating something so stupidly obvious but completely ignoring the even more obvious context? He demonstrated his superiority in this one scenerio because he was physically in better condition than Tonraq. You are lowballing like a fool now. At this rate I wouldn't be suprised to see you arguing that Zaheer with flight demonstrated "superior skill, power, and speed all around" compared to Avatar State Korra. In regular conditions Unalaq surpasses Tonraq in none of those categories.

Yes. IN THAT FIGHT, UNDER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES. The artbook will tell you " Unalaq, who took advantage of the fact that his brother has already exhuasted a good portion of his strength..." Can you read? Unalaq is not superior to Tonraq in general like you claim.

You could answer this yourself if you had common sense. "spiritbending" is just that, spiritual. You don't need a deep understanding of waterbending itself! If someonelike Korra picked it up instantly it must require little to no effort anyway. Unalaq merely uses water to channel his spirit connection.

Well you should because Tonraq has a few tricks up his sleeve too. Also you have some pathetic gifs lmao! Floating 2 feet off the ground with water? Lol! The fact that you think that's worthy of a mention says alot...Can Unalaq skate around on ice ramps? Nope.

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Unalaq can't effortless raise multiple large ice pillars. His ramp alone would evade all of Unalaq's attacks.

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You talked about flash freezing as if it's special but literally every waterbender can do it, that includes turning liquid into a solid in the middle of an attack! Unalaq has never instantly froze something with a ground attack like above.

It is.

I'm not complaining, I'm actually attacking you, if you couldn't pick up the blatant aggression.

You don't understand...again. So I'll break it down like a script.

You: You can't be saying otherwise when an exhausted beaten up Tonraq who wasn't even bending offensively almost stomped him

Me: So in conclusion Tonraq went in with a hard offense, got smacked, switched tactics to closing in for attempted CQC and still got smacked. Without even getting a single hit in. Saying this somehow demonstrates Unalaq barely winning is heresy. He demonstrated superior skill, power, and speed all around.

You: *Shows image from artbook*, I debunked your statement about Unalaq being better all together

So look at the highlighted points. You said that Tonraq almost stomped him. I proved you wrong. You presented an image that hilariously agreed with every single thing I said. THAN you said that you proved me wrong about Unalaq being better all together. Except the statement you referred to from me refers to him being better within the circumstances of that fight.

So what can we conclude? Not only was my breakdown correct but I also did not initially make any statement outside of the context of said fight that you chose to target so you couldn't debunk a point that did not exist. Nice try but not really.

Of course you need a deep understanding of water bending itself. This requirements of this technique are the element of water, knowledge on how to bend it, and the capacity to understand how to use healing methods. The jump is from there you need to be able to flow the water and healing properties in accordance with the chi of said being. Now if you think it's simple than explain to me how you go from healing to manipulating the spiritual energy in a being made out of it? Being an inventor is much harder than learning right after.

Korra has shown more everything than Tonraq in waterbending. Her feats laugh at his no comparison needed.

Says that Tonraq has a few tricks up his sleeve, shows me him creating a bunch of ice walls to slip slide around and trap people than have been destroyed by:

As you can Eska had ALREADY destroyed Tonraq's ice wall by the time he attacked Desna how sad.
As you can Eska had ALREADY destroyed Tonraq's ice wall by the time he attacked Desna how sad.
Here Unalaq breaks through Tonraq's ice wall with simple water blasts
Here Unalaq breaks through Tonraq's ice wall with simple water blasts
Here Unalaq easily dissolves every single ice construct standing without any movements including Tonraq's ice ramp. Note these are all contructs that Unalaq quote
Here Unalaq easily dissolves every single ice construct standing without any movements including Tonraq's ice ramp. Note these are all contructs that Unalaq quote "instantly froze something with a ground attack".

Nice to ignore Unalaq's ice drill or fight with Mako and Bolin since Tonraq doesn't have anything there.

Okay if it's so easy than where are the gifs of Tonraq shifting a water blast into ice while allowing into to retain a snake like nature?

Edit: No it wasn't and you won't be able to find any proof.

You were? How embarrassing.

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@huskii: How do you know it amps Raava and Vaatu, or that those hypothetical amps affect avatars in base (when they aren't channeling Raava or Vaatu).