Azrael vs. Kaine

Azrael was tracking a drug dealer. When he reached the location of a business deal he found Kaine had already beaten the dealer to a pulp. JPV jumps to the conclusion that this is the man he was meeting and that the deal went South. Morals apply, but neither of these two mind breaking a few bones.

• JPV Does NOT have the blades pictured above, but he does have the rest of his armor.
• Kaine is unarmed.
• Fight takes place in Hell's Kitchen at midnight. There are a few parked cars, and light from the street lamps and moon.
• They start twenty feet away from each other. Kaine is at the street corner, Azrael is near the front door of that building.
• Victory by KO or death.

Kaine destroys.  
 
Remember folks. He's three times Spiderman.

@MagneticShockwave said:

Kaine destroys. Remember folks. He's three times Spiderman.

Kaine FTW!!!!!!!

kaine would hump JPV into submission! jk. but really i think Kaine would win. JPV cant compete with Kaine's powers, agility, and speed. If you had said Micahel Lane then i woulda said azrael

@MagneticShockwave said:

Kaine destroys. Remember folks. He's three times Spiderman.

We have no idea what kaines current level is (well I don't because i haven't picked up his mini yet and I'm not even sure if its out yet) his only feat so far is killing the queen. However if he has the stealth suit peter gave him kaine should win. If not then I will have to come back to this thread for now since I am not sure how he will utilize his powers.

What comic is that Kaine pic from?

We have no idea what kaines current level is (well I don't because i haven't picked up his mini yet and I'm not even sure if its out yet) his only feat so far is killing the queen. However if he has the stealth suit peter gave him kaine should win. If not then I will have to come back to this thread for now since I am not sure how he will utilize his powers.

@MagneticShockwave said: @MagneticShockwave said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

Kaine destroys. Remember folks. He's three times Spiderman.

Indeed, but how far can he throw it? Kaine is indeed strong, skilled and fast enough to destroy a Bane. But c'mon -- Kaine is about as strong and agile as Venom. Has the skills that are three times that of Spiderman. Has better "Spider-Senses" that pre-cogs beyond immediate threats and can naturally stick to surfaces. Azrael might have lifted a solid 10-25 ton tree and threw it 20 feet at the side. (He also lifted a solid 8 foot statue of rock and threw it 60 feet across the room) But Kaine, being as strong as Venom if not stronger, is capable of lifting a 40 ton tank and throwing it 5 blocks away. But strength is hardly the issue here. Kaine out does Azrael in every aspect. If anything, Azrael can go with prep and find a way to defeat Kaine with traps and devices, otherwise he has no chance at all.

What does Bane have anything to do with this? can you even formulate a proper argument?

@Dex_Starr said:

What comic is that Kaine pic from?

Scarlet Spider #1.

@jashro44 said:

We have no idea what kaines current level is (well I don't because i haven't picked up his mini yet and I'm not even sure if its out yet) his only feat so far is killing the queen. However if he has the stealth suit peter gave him kaine should win. If not then I will have to come back to this thread for now since I am not sure how he will utilize his powers.

I think the re-imaged Kaine is 1x the Spiderman. Classic Kaine was 1x the Spiderman, but then his mutation kept on 'improving', and he became much stronger and more powerful than Spiderman. He fought a team of Spidermen (Peter, Ben and Spidercide) and did very well against all three of them at once. So if anyone here thinks that Azreal can fight 3 Spidermen at the same time with ease, they must be out of their mind.

@MagneticShockwave said: @MagneticShockwave said:

Indeed, but how far can he throw it? Kaine is indeed strong, skilled and fast enough to destroy a Bane. But c'mon -- Kaine is about as strong and agile as Venom. Has the skills that are three times that of Spiderman. Has better "Spider-Senses" that pre-cogs beyond immediate threats and can naturally stick to surfaces. Azrael might have lifted a solid 10-25 ton tree and threw it 20 feet at the side. (He also lifted a solid 8 foot statue of rock and threw it 60 feet across the room) But Kaine, being as strong as Venom if not stronger, is capable of lifting a 40 ton tank and throwing it 5 blocks away. But strength is hardly the issue here. Kaine out does Azrael in every aspect. If anything, Azrael can go with prep and find a way to defeat Kaine with traps and devices, otherwise he has no chance at all.

What does Bane have anything to do with this? can you even formulate a proper argument?

hmm in the "re imagined clone saga" Kaine still took on Peter and Ben with ease. I havnt read number 1 yet, but i get the impression his powers are more diverse and hes less powerful than before. in the review he's seen controlling an army of wee spiders. I believe his new suit also has all the perks of peter's FF suit.

Classic Kaine would destroy. Scarlet Spider Kaine doesn't have as much power, or experience with how to use his abilities, so he'd be at a disadvantage.

@MagneticShockwave said:

@jashro44 said:

We have no idea what kaines current level is (well I don't because i haven't picked up his mini yet and I'm not even sure if its out yet) his only feat so far is killing the queen. However if he has the stealth suit peter gave him kaine should win. If not then I will have to come back to this thread for now since I am not sure how he will utilize his powers.

I think the re-imaged Kaine is 1x the Spiderman. Classic Kaine was 1x the Spiderman, but then his mutation kept on 'improving', and he became much stronger and more powerful than Spiderman. He fought a team of Spidermen (Peter, Ben and Spidercide) and did very well against all three of them at once. So if anyone here thinks that Azreal can fight 3 Spidermen at the same time with ease, they must be out of their mind.

This isn't classic its current unless stated otherwise. He probably could beat azreal (assuming he is spider-man that cuts loose a bit more and has stingers) but we haven't seen his feats yet so there is no way to be certain. Kaines power level is speculation.

@MagneticShockwave: Why are you bringing up feats of classic kaine? This isn't classic kaine! He was tarantula and then he fell into the anti-venom goop and got depowered a bit. He has literally 0 note worthy feats at the moment, we don't know if he is at his classic level or any where near. I'm not saying he loses I'm saying we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that kaine stomps so quickly....Unless #1 of his mini came out and he did something impressive. He probably does win (assuming he has equal stats to peter at the moment) but until we see some feats its entirely speculation.

Does anyone know what re-imaged means? 

@jashro44 said:

@MagneticShockwave: Why are you bringing up feats of classic kaine? This isn't classic kaine! He was tarantula and then he fell into the anti-venom goop and got depowered a bit. He has literally 0 note worthy feats at the moment, we don't know if he is at his classic level or any where near. I'm not saying he loses I'm saying we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that kaine stomps so quickly....Unless #1 of his mini came out and he did something impressive. He probably does win (assuming he has equal stats to peter at the moment) but until we see some feats its entirely speculation.

Tarantula and Kaine are two different guys. (Originally) 
Kaine is Peter Parker's Clone. 
 
I already told you that RE-IMAGE KAINE  1x the power of Spiderman, maybe stronger.

@MagneticShockwave said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@MagneticShockwave said: @MagneticShockwave said:

Indeed, but how far can he throw it? Kaine is indeed strong, skilled and fast enough to destroy a Bane. But c'mon -- Kaine is about as strong and agile as Venom. Has the skills that are three times that of Spiderman. Has better "Spider-Senses" that pre-cogs beyond immediate threats and can naturally stick to surfaces. Azrael might have lifted a solid 10-25 ton tree and threw it 20 feet at the side. (He also lifted a solid 8 foot statue of rock and threw it 60 feet across the room) But Kaine, being as strong as Venom if not stronger, is capable of lifting a 40 ton tank and throwing it 5 blocks away. But strength is hardly the issue here. Kaine out does Azrael in every aspect. If anything, Azrael can go with prep and find a way to defeat Kaine with traps and devices, otherwise he has no chance at all.

What does Bane have anything to do with this? can you even formulate a proper argument?

It's called comparison. Anymore questions?

Your comparison is irrelevant,JPV's stats were never constant,they were on the rise .When he first fought Bane he was peak human but was wearing that plot device armor.

The next encounter he was low meta,JPV got a considerable upgrade after that fight.

Kaine, currently he has the Other powers and if he has the sme levels as Spidey had back then then he should be twice as strong as current Spider-man, so there is no way that Jean Paul could win here.

@Deadcool: Though I don't have a page to substantiate this, I believe JPV can lift 35 tons. He's also a better fighter than Kaine, who was once taken out by Kraven the Hunter.

@Ferro Vida said:

@Deadcool: Though I don't have a page to substantiate this, I believe JPV can lift 35 tons. He's also a better fighter than Kaine, who was once taken out by Kraven the Hunter.

JPV can lift between 6-8 tons LOL.

@entropy_aegis said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@Deadcool: Though I don't have a page to substantiate this, I believe JPV can lift 35 tons. He's also a better fighter than Kaine, who was once taken out by Kraven the Hunter.

JPV can lift between 6-8 tons LOL.

Do you have a source?

@Ferro Vida said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@Deadcool: Though I don't have a page to substantiate this, I believe JPV can lift 35 tons. He's also a better fighter than Kaine, who was once taken out by Kraven the Hunter.

JPV can lift between 6-8 tons LOL.

Do you have a source?

No I'm basing it off his feats,Morpheus can back up me up on this,35 is a little extreme.

@MagneticShockwave said:

@jashro44 said:

@MagneticShockwave: Why are you bringing up feats of classic kaine? This isn't classic kaine! He was tarantula and then he fell into the anti-venom goop and got depowered a bit. He has literally 0 note worthy feats at the moment, we don't know if he is at his classic level or any where near. I'm not saying he loses I'm saying we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that kaine stomps so quickly....Unless #1 of his mini came out and he did something impressive. He probably does win (assuming he has equal stats to peter at the moment) but until we see some feats its entirely speculation.

Tarantula and Kaine are two different guys. (Originally) 
Kaine is Peter Parker's Clone. 
 
I already told you that RE-IMAGE KAINE  1x the power of Spiderman, maybe stronger.

What evidence do you have of kaine being equal to pete? I want something he did in his mini NOT from the 90's. The point of bringing up tarantula was to explain that kaine falling into anti-venom goop weakened him, for all we know he is weaker then spider-man and just has stingers. HIS POWER LEVEL IS SPECULATION THERE IS NO EVIDENCE HE STOMPS. I wouldlike to know where your getting these measurement of his powers from. I don't want to say its a stomp since kaine HAS NO FEATS YET (unless #1 of his mini came out) I have no idea where these measurements of his powers are coming from. I am waiting for current kaine to get feats before I give a definite answer however.   All I'm saying is all we can do is speculate current kaines power there is no correct answer.

@entropy_aegis said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@Deadcool: Though I don't have a page to substantiate this, I believe JPV can lift 35 tons. He's also a better fighter than Kaine, who was once taken out by Kraven the Hunter.

JPV can lift between 6-8 tons LOL.

Do you have a source?

No I'm basing it off his feats,Morpheus can back up me up on this,35 is a little extreme.

I even said I know the actual number, I just remember reading somewhere. If you're going to be a dick about it then the least you can do is having something to back up what you are saying.

As things are I'll defer to Morpheus.

@Ferro Vida said:

Though I don't have a page to substantiate this, I believe JPV can lift 35 tons.

This is your problem, post scans.

He's also a better fighter than Kaine, who was once taken out by Kraven the Hunter.

Kraven is underated, he almost killed Spider-man too, with prep-time he could do pretty awesome stuff.

Also Kaine is way too fast for Paul, if he is as fast as Peter Parker with The Other powers, then he is 18 times faster than a human being (my scan), and his Spider-sense give to him atomatic reaction to any attack, also his hands have poison and he has also stingers.

@Deadcool: I could if I had my external hard drive here.

Kraven is underrated. But he didn't have prep when he nearly killed Kaine. He was in a bathrobe. He just moved fast enough to put Kaine down.

@Ferro Vida said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@Deadcool: Though I don't have a page to substantiate this, I believe JPV can lift 35 tons. He's also a better fighter than Kaine, who was once taken out by Kraven the Hunter.

JPV can lift between 6-8 tons LOL.

Do you have a source?

No I'm basing it off his feats,Morpheus can back up me up on this,35 is a little extreme.

I even said I know the actual number, I just remember reading somewhere. If you're going to be a dick about it then the least you can do is having something to back up what you are saying.

As things are I'll defer to Morpheus.

He's not 35 tons period,that's not being a dick.Not sure WTH you're talking about.

@Ferro Vida said:

@Deadcool: I could if I had my external hard drive here.

Kraven is underrated. But he didn't have prep when he nearly killed Kaine. He was in a bathrobe. He just moved fast enough to put Kaine down.

...PIS, that can't be right, being 18 times faster than a human being is a big deal, unless he had used some kind of new drug, well, as you are unable to post scans, could you at least mention the issue?

@MagneticShockwave said:

Kaine destroys. Remember folks. He's three times Spiderman.

Not 35 tons

@Ferro Vida said:

@Deadcool: I could if I had my external hard drive here.

Kraven is underrated. But he didn't have prep when he nearly killed Kaine. He was in a bathrobe. He just moved fast enough to put Kaine down.

...PIS, that can't be right, being 18 times faster than a human being is a big deal, unless he had used some kind of new drug, well, as you are unable to post scans, could you at least mention the issue?

@MagneticShockwave: Well there is a ton of characters that could defeat Wolverine without the Healing factor, and Kaine is way faster than that, also he is Peter Parker without morals.

@MagneticShockwave: Well there is a ton of characters that could defeat Wolverine without the Healing factor, and Kaine is way faster than that, also he is Peter Parker without morals.

@Deadcool said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@Deadcool: I could if I had my external hard drive here.

Kraven is underrated. But he didn't have prep when he nearly killed Kaine. He was in a bathrobe. He just moved fast enough to put Kaine down.

...PIS, that can't be right, being 18 times faster than a human being is a big deal, unless he had used some kind of new drug, well, as you are unable to post scans, could you at least mention the issue?

It has a flash-back issue from during Grim Hunt

@MagneticShockwave: At not point did I claim the tree weighed that much.

@MagneticShockwave: Quote the part where I said the tree weighed 35 tons.

@Ferro Vida said:

It has a flash-back issue from during Grim Hunt

I will check...

The tree is 5 tons at best.

@MagneticShockwave said:

Kaine destroys. Remember folks. He's three times Spiderman.

Then you said: 
Though I don't have a page to substantiate this, I believe JPV can lift 35 tons. He's also a better fighter than Kaine, who was once taken out by Kraven the Hunter.

I think any version of Kaine can win but are we talking post-SpiderIsland? if we are then Azarel stands a chance if we are using post-SpiderIsland theb Azarel goes down so fast i'd call it a curbstomp!.

Kaine vs Ben Reilly, Peter Parker and Spidercide (taking a punch from a 15 ton Peter Parker to the face and completely shrugging it off)

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2833/kaine11.png

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6954/kaine2.png

Kaine beating Rhino and 85 tonner with brute strength

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3152/kaine3.png

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7540/kaine4.png

I can also scan my other comic where Kaine takes on the sinister seven (Beetle, Electro, Hobgoblin, Mysterio, Scorpia, Shocker, Vulture) where he basically owns Hobgoblin and 1 shot's Electro. I'll scan it later and post.

@Ferro Vida said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

Kaine destroys. Remember folks. He's three times Spiderman.

Correct.

Azrael has trouble defeating Deathstroke and Batman.Kaine is three times Spider-man.

@Morpheus_ said:

Kaine would annihilate Azrael.

Liefeld would annihlate Deathstroke.

@Morpheus_ said:

Kaine would annihilate Azrael.

Liefeld would annihlate Deathstroke.

@Morpheus_ said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Kaine would annihilate Azrael.

Liefeld would annihlate Deathstroke.

But Deathstroke will annihilate Lobo.

So I guess Bane is'nt the only one who's artistic portrayal is gonna be crap.Welcome to the club.