#1 Posted by jashro44 (22818 posts) - - Show Bio

Azrael (JPV)

VS

Daken

Rules

  • Morals are on
  • Standard gear
  • Daken has murmasia claws but no pheromones
  • Random encounter
  • Win by KO/Death/Incapacitation

Location

  • Begin visible
  • Begin 5 feet apart
  • Fight takes place here:

Who wins and why?

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#2 Posted by laflux (16796 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Does Azrael have a healing factor which I don't know about.

#3 Posted by jashro44 (22818 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@jashro44: Does Azrael have a healing factor which I don't know about.

No but the murmasia claws are more durable then his regular bone claws. All though rethinking it I guess it was unnecessary.

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#4 Posted by jashro44 (22818 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

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#5 Edited by laflux (16796 posts) - - Show Bio

Good Match up. I'd go with Daken. His damage soak combined with his disappearing act and Pheromones should enable him to get the hits needed.

#6 Posted by God_Spawn (38098 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

Good Match up. I'd go with Daken. His damage soak combined with his disappearing act and Pheromones should enable him to get the hits needed.

No pheromones. Hahahaah!!

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#7 Posted by laflux (16796 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

Good Match up. I'd go with Daken. His damage soak combined with his disappearing act and Pheromones should enable him to get the hits needed.

No pheromones. Hahahaah!!

Curse you Kakarot God_Spawn

#8 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Good fight

#9 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm leaning towards Daken. His M-Claws will go straight through JPV's armor, and even his bone claws have cut Skaar and Hulk 2099, so he should be able to do a fair bit of damage. He's at least as skilled as JPV, imo, and his healing factor will let him last longer.

#10 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Some JPV feats:

Rocking Batman
Strength Feats

#11 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Daken has more feats plus the pheremones.

#12 Edited by dondave (38481 posts) - - Show Bio
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#13 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Daken

@stronger: OP said no pheremones

Even with no pheremones Daken has more feats.

#14 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (8151 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire said:

I'm leaning towards Daken. His M-Claws will go straight through JPV's armor, and even his bone claws have cut Skaar and Hulk 2099, so he should be able to do a fair bit of damage. He's at least as skilled as JPV, imo, and his healing factor will let him last longer.

When did that happen O.o

#15 Edited by dondave (38481 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@thecheesestabber: It was sometime during his Dark Avengers tenure. I don't remember the issue number off-hand. Scan:

#17 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (8151 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by Onemoreposter (4069 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going to go with JPV. Azrael was grown in a test tube and genetically engineered to have super-strength, speed, reflexes, and durability. He's been literally trained since birth by The System and then later on by Batman. The character has plenty of experience first serving as Azrael, the later on as Batman (defeating Bane in one of his first outings), then again as Azrael for years following. Additionally the suit he wears is chalk full of weapons and gadgets.

@stronger said:

@dondave said:

Daken

@stronger: OP said no pheremones

Even with no pheremones Daken has more feats.

I sort of doubt this. While Daken being 60+ years old gives him more experience than JPV, JPV likely has more feats. JPV had is own ongoing series for 100 issues, his own mini-series, and countless appearances in the different Bat-books.

All things considered, I think JPV is going to take this.

#19 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@onemoreposter: Daken nearly killed Skaar,humiliated Deadpool and X-23 and beaten Wolverine on several occasions.

What has JPV done ?

#20 Edited by Onemoreposter (4069 posts) - - Show Bio

@stronger: Well....... he beat Batman, Bane, Joker and once I even saw him beat up some crocodiles...........

That's all more impressive than it sounds........

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Edit: And he picked up a tree.....

...that's like...a huge tree man......

#21 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@stronger: Well....... he beat Batman, Bane, Joker and once I even saw him beat up some crocodiles...........

That's all more impressive than it sounds........

.........

Edit: And he picked up a tree.....

...that's like...a huge tree man......

Batman,Bane and Joker are not anywhere near Skaar......

#22 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio
@stronger said:

@onemoreposter: Daken nearly killed Skaar,humiliated Deadpool and X-23 and beaten Wolverine on several occasions.

What has JPV done ?

His fight with Skaar is pretty much irrelevant here. A brute with little skill and poor combat speed has little in common with JPV. It's a good feat, but it doesn't translate to Daken beating Azrael. If Valley had a weapon that cancels healing factors, I wouldn't be surprised to see him beat Skaar just as easily. (Well, I would be surprised because they're from different companies, but that's not the point.)

When did Daken "humiliate" X-23? The only prolonged fight I can think of was the one in (I think) Dark Wolverine, and the two were trading blows pretty evenly before Laura threw him off a building and he pulled her down with him. They fought when Daken was on the Dark X-Men, but that was mostly off-panel and he didn't "humiliate" her by any means.

Wolverine has beaten Daken as many times as Daken has beaten Wolverine, and hasn't had much trouble with his son since he got over his love and realized that Daken needed to be put down. He beat Daken pretty handily when he brought the M-Blade to counter Daken's claws, and in their last encounter Daken got very much humiliated and Wolverine straight-up killed him without much issue.

The Deadpool fight is one of his best showings, but he hasn't really used Disappearing Trick since his early days, so it won't be as definitive a factor here since the fight is in-character.

#23 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire: Anyway I haven't seen much from JPV. It's not even debatable Daken would beat Batman,Bane and Joker.

Daken 's healing factor should be the x- factor of his victory.

#24 Edited by Onemoreposter (4069 posts) - - Show Bio

@stronger: JPV has a moderate healing factor.

Edit: Also, you might as well give Daken his pheromones. JPV has been shown to have a resistance to mental manipulation because of the system. One of his arch enemies, Nick scratch, has the power of subtle mental manipulation often referred to as super human charisma and not wholly unlike Daken's pheromones.

#25 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@stronger: JPV has a moderate healing factor.

Edit: Also, you might as well give Daken his pheromones. JPV has been shown to have a resistance to mental manipulation because of the system. One of his arch enemies, Nick scratch, has the power of subtle mental manipulation often referred to as super human charisma and not wholly unlike Daken's pheromones.

Well Daken 's pheremones strike the nervous system.

Is JPV 's hf as strong as Daken's? If it is prove it.

#26 Posted by Saren (25892 posts) - - Show Bio

Valley has a healing factor, it's just not significant in comparison to someone like Daken's.

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#27 Posted by Onemoreposter (4069 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio
#29 Edited by Paro (5 posts) - - Show Bio

So depending on his durability daken wins.....

#30 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@stronger said:

@esquire: Anyway I haven't seen much from JPV. It's not even debatable Daken would beat Batman,Bane and Joker.

Daken 's healing factor should be the x- factor of his victory.

I already said that I'm leaning towards Daken for a majority. I still want to know which fight with X-23 you're referring to.