616 Avengers/Pre Crisis Karate Kid
Avengers are Iron Man, Cap America, Quicksilver, Unworthy Thor, Vision, Black Panther, and Blue Marvel
Team has 1 hour to prepare
KK has Flight ring
Black Panther has Vibranium Suit
Morals off
616 Avengers/Pre Crisis Karate Kid
Avengers are Iron Man, Cap America, Quicksilver, Unworthy Thor, Vision, Black Panther, and Blue Marvel
Team has 1 hour to prepare
KK has Flight ring
Black Panther has Vibranium Suit
Morals off
Its unworthy thor so he doesn't have mjolnir... but lets see,, vision > kk, iron man > kk, blue marvel > kk, and even unworthy thor > kk... can make argument for quicksilver being > kk... this is a spite or bait thread...
so? what does mjolnir have to do with dropping a lightning?
well technically nothing,, but I have never seen a super hard charge without mjolnir,,, I have seen him do some weaker blasts with just his hands but those feats are few and far between..
umm.. lightning isn't mjolnir's ability.. lightning summons are thor's ability (holding mjolnir in one hand.. or hanging mjolnir in his waist doesn't mean mjolnir summoning the lightning).... summoned lightning have best feats of thor's lightning... mjolnir only comes to play when thor channels the lightning through mjolnir..
thor have summoned lightning to knock out hulk... he can do the same here.
Unworthy Thor would be already a helluva fight, and I think Val would only lose because of lightning and strength difference.
adding these avengers (Black Marvel, really?) just overwhelms him.
I know,, but have you ever seen him not use mjolnir as tool for his lightning?? I know mjolnir doesn't technically summon the lightning but he does use it to harness it and to unleash it... I have seen thor use minor lightning before without mjolnir but not at a scale that would do anything major.. I have seen him shock some opponents with lightning too... It doesn't really matter tho, because thor easily beats kk without lightning...
I know,, but have you ever seen him not use mjolnir as tool for his lightning?? I know mjolnir doesn't technically summon the lightning but he does use it to harness it and to unleash it... I have seen thor use minor lightning before without mjolnir but not at a scale that would do anything major.. I have seen him shock some opponents with lightning too... It doesn't really matter tho, because thor easily beats kk without lightning...
summons lightning and knocks out hulk (no use of mjolnir.. only arm swing)
I know,, I have seen that and read that,, but he has mjolnir in his hand and how many times has he summoned lightning without mjolnir.. I think I have seen it maybe three times in his whole existence... It may be more,,, I am not sure.... you do realize I am agreeing that thor beats kk even without being worthy?
@newecho: KK took on Pre Crisis Kryptonians. How is this spite?
no feat kryptonians, sure doesn't put them on a level of a vision, or iron man or even unworthy thor,, and do you know who blue marvel is? he is closer to sentry level...
I know,, I have seen that and read that,, but he has mjolnir in his hand and how many times has he summoned lightning without mjolnir.. I think I have seen it maybe three times in his whole existence... It may be more,,, I am not sure.... you do realize I am agreeing that thor beats kk even without being worthy?
he have mjolnir in his hand.. so?.. how is that suppose to mean he needs mjolnir to summon lightning? o.O do he also needs his head gear or his costume to summon lightning?
how many times have you seen thor without mjolnir?.... whenever was needed, he delivered lightning.. with or without it in hand
you do realize I am agreeing that thor beats kk even without being worthy?
i realize.. and so i never asked you to explain how kk wins
.. thor says mjolnir is only but a tool..... summons tremendous lightning without mjolnir (while fighting)
summons omni directional lightning in outer space without mjolnir
defeated malekeith with thunder fist (without mjolnir)
............... and you know those instances where thor's whole body literally emitting lightning without mjolnir right?..... all of them makes way more than 3 instances you remembered XD
you know how silly it is to think that as thor have mjolnir in his hands.. so summoning lightning is mjolnir's doing? lol..... while mjolnir do amplify the magnitude of the lightning when it's being channeled through it... but unless it is being channeled through it, mjolnir have nothing to do with summoning lightnings
Thanks for the scans,, I figured he done it more in his history,, I just didn't remember.. I know that mjlonir amplifies and he can't do a god blast without it... btw kk loses badly
actually he did a god blast without mjolnir once.. lol .. yeah.. kk loses badly...
and yes.. mjolnir only comes into play when thor channels lightning through it (like when he summoned lightning to kill void... he channeled the summon through mjolnir).... but even if you consider his summons without being channeled through mjolnir.. they still have incredible feats
summoned a huge cosmic lightning to hurt mikaboshi... a being who absorbed 98% of the multiverse (he didn't channeled the summon through mjolnir.. only raised mjolnir as it's his normal attack gesture)
@newecho: He dodged a speedblitz from Mon-El
I remember the mikaboshi story,, it was pretty good.... When did he do a god blast without?? how did he channel the blast? I mean his confidence without mjolnir would have made the blast uncontrollable?? or immeasurable?? Was he amped in any other way? what issue is it? I will have to read the story...
And?? that is the only thing he could do is dodge attacks,,, He couldn't hurt these guys as most of them have shields and vision can go dense or abstract or use shields...
I remember the mikaboshi story,, it was pretty good.... When did he do a god blast without?? how did he channel the blast? I mean his confidence without mjolnir would have made the blast uncontrollable?? or immeasurable?? Was he amped in any other way? what issue is it? I will have to read the story...
lol.. i don't remember it either @jayc1324 mentioned it..
#66 Posted by Jayc1324 (15385 posts) - 1 day, 19 hours ago - Show Bio
@ssj_god: Thor used it against Durok during the ragnarok story in 2004. And odin and zeus have used it before and they had no weapon to channel it through.
@newecho: He would only have problems with Vision and Thor imo. The fact you think Ironman>KK is hilarious
iron man could analyze him from the air and shoot him from the air.. there are so many things he could do to val while not anywhere near him...
@newecho: He wouldn't tag KK and KK would rip Iron Man apart
no he wouldn't,,, and it depends on the armor on how close kk could even get and it depends on which armor to how big or what he could do in the air... KK would beat all street levelers and some b to c level big time power guys,,, ie people with vulnerabilities... You don't even know who blue marvel is,, he beats everyone here by himself.. as long as thor is unworthy....
doesn't kk have flight ring in this fight?.. that'll cancel out ironman's flight advantage
@ssj_god: yes he does
I would still argue that kk couldn't do anymore than a gamora or a mantis as I think mantis would actually beat kk and gamora would give him a run.... gamora is as skilled and way stronger ie 50 to 70 tonner... I know kk has the striking power and the quickness to keep up with them tho... Mantis could be argued as to having more skill than even kk... anyways got off on a tangent but they couldn't do anything to tony so I don't believe kk could either...
@newecho: What? KK < Quicksilver? WTF did just happen? Please explain, though. My brain hurt when you said that.
@leo-343: doesn't mean he beats iron man or thor...
@captain_batman_ftw: what did i say about Quicksilver?? I think I may have said that it could be argued that he could beat kk not that actually do it... for the record Val beats pietro in my opinion but their is at least an argument that can be made... My whole point is this is spite as many of these characters beat kk by themselves much less with others...
@newecho: Do you think it's close between those two?
@captain_batman_ftw: I don't think its particularly close between them... I do believe pietro would at least be pest to val...
@leo-343: Thor is not to slow as that is a myth.... and no Iron man still wins... I mean kk has losses too... and iron man has so many ways to beat val...
@newecho: Then how can you say that a case can be made for him?
@captain_batman_ftw: I didn't say the case could be made by me... just that I understood someone trying to argue that he could....
@leo-343: but yet hits FTL characters who are going all out?? and he has even hit quicksilver with just swinging.
@captain_batman_ftw: I didn't say the case could be made by me... just that I understood someone trying to argue that he could....
@leo-343: but yet hits FTL characters who are going all out?? and he has even hit quicksilver with just swinging.
Who has gone FTL all out against Thor? And yes he's still slow. He even admitted Wolverine is faster than him.
he reacts to FTL people and objects just fine.... he'd just need to react to one shot KK
Yet you keep ignoring the fact that he admitted Wolverine is faster than him... and multiple characters have said he's slow.
Lol like it matters, don't even pretend Thor can take on multiple SA Kryptonians, that included Superman btw.
i'm ignoring what?... firstly.. thor was holding back (obviously he wasn't trying to kill him).. and secondly.. just the next page wolverine says thor got faster.. thor didn't even finished the sentence which u're implying.. it could easily be.. 'faster than i thought'... specially when he HAVE reacted to FTL speed.
and lol it matters.. if they were not going soo fast against KK.. then the speed isn't even worth mentioning.. let alone blitzing..
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