Avengers vs Justice League WITH A TWIST

- PLOT TWIST: EVERYBODY IS DEPOWERED

- Teams have no equipment, they wear their civilian clothes

- Morals are off, no prep, who wins and why?

- Avengers are consisted of

1) Captain America

2) Tony Stark

3) Black Widow

4) Black Panther

5) Thor

6) Hawkeye

- Justice League is consisted of

1) Superman

2) Flash

3) Diana

4) Aquaman

5) Hal Jordan

6) Batman

Bruce solos

Serious? Wait maybe you think Captain is without super soldier formula, it's fair that he keeps it considering that Bats is nearly as strong/fat/agile as him.

Then it's basically Captain America and Black Panther vs Batman

Well, at-least the JL has Diana who can equalize the fight, Everyone else will just get sidestepped.

Avengers.

Bruce Wayne, and Diana prince win this.

Avengers. Most of them are already street levelers maintaining regular speed and have some form of h2h with only Thor being depowered fully, while only Batman is truly holding up the JLA but is severely outnumbered by men of his class

@WarBlade539: Black Panther >>> Diana.

i dont know, i think cap might be a bit fatter

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Cap, Black Panther, Black Widow and Hawkeye take this for Avengers.

@alessandro_souzamarques: Actually it's just T'challa and Steve.Widow and Clint would both lose to Bruce

@reaverlation: If we assume both of them would go for Bruce ,yes, they would lose. If not, they can take on anyone in JLA team and beat them.

Dc stomp. Bruce,Diana and supes have a martial art style of some sort. And Aquaman is just a giant and even with no adaptations he is bigger than thor. Tony is a boxer and Thor is a brute so Hal, Barry or whichever flash it is, Thor, And Tony quarrel amongest theirselfs and Tony and Thor take them. But thats their only win. Supes knows Torquasm-Rao and Torquasm-Vo. Batman is up their on martial arts status as 4 or 5 on the list. And Diana is a brutal amazon taught how to rip of peoples heads so yea.

No one except batman can match Cap and BP in martial arts. So its bats vs cap and BP, after everyone else is taken out. Now, they have no gear, so its straight hand to hand. Batman is the best MA here, but its is unlikely he takes cap and BP at the same time. I would say his only hope is stealth, so avengers win 8/10.

Pretty sure this has been done multiple times

Actually Thor is 6'6 and 640 lbs, I'm not sure if his weight would be the same when depowered lol.

Does that mean Cap no longer has the super solider serum?

Avengers win anyway

Avengers

@bigcimmerian: if thor is depowered he turns into blake im pretty sure blake is 5foot9 and 150 pounds. If not he is till a monster

Matter of opinion. She has exceptional fighting ability for a high tier being. In my eyes, she can keep up.

@sacredweapons: Not anymore, unless hes fully depowered by Odin. Thor keeps his weight & height; I'm pretty sure he's around peak human. Even if he was Donald Blake, Blake was mopping through fodder with his cane, and took a punch from Beta Ray Bill. :P

Hawkeye one-shots the entire JL except Bats and Diana with his shoes. Avengers then win by numbers.

This

@bigcimmerian: @beaconofstrength: i do feel like thor keeping his weight and heigt is a little weird although ill go with it. Does Aquaman still have hook is or new hand. With hook i think he wins. With any metal item i think he wins. Aqua man is still 300 pounds and has atlantian training . Although ive only read RKT comics im going to assume they had training too. With thors size and weight i think he beats aquaman without hook but if aquaman has no arm and still has hook then its aqua man. Either way DC has better martial artist. Now put Luke Cage in here and....

Avengers, but this is dumb.

He's not Superman without powers, he's not Hal Jordan without the ring, he's not Flash without the speed... so on, so on.

Not really. Her technical showings aren't even on Tim Drakes level.

Seriously... this is a spite thread.

JL

Avengers, handily

@reaverlation: my god no I honestly think the avengers got this most of the team is comprised of members that are actually skilled in multiple forms of combat like hawkeye, captain America, black panther, and black widow where's as compared to the justice league who don't really have a need for it because of their ridiculous powers doing the job for them (except batman of course). Avengers take this all the way and quite frankly it's a bit over kill

Widow is right with Cap in Martial Arts skill and Black Panther is even with Bruce as MVPs. Clint and Thor are not slouches and Thor is an ox to boot.

Diana is good, but she is now below all the top males in strength. Aquaman can hang with Thor, though I think Thor has a considerable strength edge.

More weak links on the DC team (Flash/Hal Gordan) and only Tony is a weakj link on the Marvel team. Clark is probably below Clint. Clint was very impressive as Ronin, wiping out Hand Ninjas like they were Bob from Hydra.

Marvel team prevails by a decent majority.

It ends up being Cap, Black panther, and Black Widow vs Diana, Arthur, and Bruce and marvel wins

I think Wonder Woman and Superman could beat the entire Marvel team on their own. All they need is one of them (I would think WW) to hold off Thor.

@robertloucksjr: Not true. If everyone is depowered, Diana is still an Amazon. An average Amazon is at least as strong as a peak human male. You forget that Humans are one of the few species where males are stronger than females. Most other animals have it reversed. And since Diana isnt human, it is simply stupid to make her weaker than the males of the group.

Onto the fight, its basically, Cap, Widow and Panther vs Bruce, Diana and maybe Supes and Hal due to Kryptonian MA and military training. Bruce can take panther, Diana will peat cap, and the other two distract Widow till help arrives.

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Tony was trained by Cap, Thor beat the Warriors Three in h2h in 5 seconds flat. He just fights like a brute because he has a giant f*cking hammer.

Batman is equal to BP

Natasha is better than Hal and Flash put together.

Aquaman and Superman are both well below Cap

Even Hawkeye could take one of the DC team down.

BP=Batman

Cap>Superman

WW>Black Widow

Hawkeye>Hal Jordan

Thor>Aquaman (give me a h2h feat for Arthur)

Tony>Barry

Point is, Outside of Batman and WW, the JL's feats in h2h are all from bar fights (Hal)

Lol without his powers, Supes becomes Clark. Without speed, Flash is Barry. And without the ring, Hal becomes . . . Still Hal Jordan because that is his name. Without the ring he is no longer a Green lantern

Avengers.

As already stated, like half their team was standing on the corner during the Battle of New York throwing stuff at the aliens. (I'm liking the MCU examples for some reason right now) Widow had that whole sequence where Hulk was trying to KILL her and she lived. Panther, Cap, Hawkeye, and Widow are basically ALWAYS street level mixing it up with Superhumans. Cap being depowered means he turns back to the 150 lb weakling, but that's the same as serum Cap going heads up with Thor. In fact, the difference between serum Cap and Thor is like 1000 times greater than the difference between weakling Cap and a normal man, so I think Cap still is a factor since he hasn't lost his training *sniff* nor his heart. Thor would still be a hoss and he still has swung many a sword.

They say Superman knows Alien Fu. He doesn't practice, though. That would be like knowing how to ride a bike at 9 then trying again suddenly one day when you're 40 and have been driving for a couple decades. I can see Wonder Woman being a factor.

SOHH in the end we have Thor, Widow, Cap, Panther, and Hawkeye against Bats and Wondy.

Avengers that are actually useful;

Thor (Without his powers he is still a trained fighter that has honed his skills in h2h for many centuries)

Black Widow (A trained assassin or spy - Who fights against Superhuman)

Black Panther (A master of h2h combat)

Hawkeye (May not be as good as natasha with h2h but still a very adept fighter)

DC that are actually useful;

Batman (Master of many h2h combat styles)

Wonder Woman (Trained h2h in amazonian fighting style)

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Avengers FTW...To be honest though DC makes a lot of their heroes to be God-Level at their ultimate versions while not many heroes in Marvel can attain that level..But since most heroes in DC rely on their powers so much (ie Superman) if they ever lose that, then only a few can actually fight or even survive without it..

@skyrobo1: QFT. Avengers have this. Too many members of the team who outrank DC in h2h combat. Avengers take this handily.

JLA

How? Batman vs Cap and BP = Avengers winning.

Apart from that, both Natasha and Clint can beat anyone from JLA team (except Batman).

@edblank: Cap keeps the serum. OP stated it.

@bigcimmerian: You should probably add in Cap keeping the serum

Avengers take this. As stated above, they have multiple fighters that are exceptional martial artists. Also, it seems to me that Tony is getting ignored here. I believe he can contribute.

@noone301994 If you don't mind can you give your opinion on Tony's H2H capabilities

@unbreakable_fs4:

Sure thing, here are some h2h and agility feats from Tony:

Tony is being ignored here and he shouldn't be. He was trained by Captain America after all.

Flash Solos in the nude cause he close can't keep up lol

Batman is OP in this