#1 Edited by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

The twist for this fight is that the powers of the JLA have been given to the girls from the recent controversial visual novel Katawa Shoujo. All JLA members are pre new 52.

Shizune Hakimaichi: The deaf student council president of Yamaku academy, has been granted the skills and equipment of Batman. Best friends with Misha.

Shiina (Misha) Mikado: Shizune's bubbly pink-haired interpreter, has the full-powers of Superman. Is romantically interested in Shizune.

Emi Ibarazaki: A talented track athlete, Emi lost her legs at a young age and had them replaced with prosthetics. She now has the powers of the Flash (Barry). The frictionless Speed-Force aura extends to her prosthetics and her top speed (pushing herself to the absolute limit) is 50% light speed. Good friends with Rin.

Lily Satou: A well-mannered and very tall young lady, Lily has been blind since birth. She has the powers and equipment of Wonder Woman. Best friends with Hanako.

Rin Tezuka: Due to a birth defect and subsequent surgery Rin has miniscule stump-like arms. As such she uses her mouth and feet to get things done. So great is her dexterity that she even uses her feet and mouth to paint. Rin is an extremely talented artist and is a total space-case, a real weirdo as it were. Has a fully charged Green Lantern ring. Good friends with Emi.

Hanako Ikezawa: Hanako lost both of her parents in a house fire which also burned a great deal of her skin. Hanako is very shy and can panic at even the most rudimentary of day to day interactions. Lily is her best friend whom Hanako is very dependent on. Hanako has the powers of Martian Manhunter.

The girls will be facing this roster of the Avengers.

Thor: Rocking his duds from Thor: God of Thunder

Iron-Man: Has the Bleeding Edge suit.

Wolverine: Standard power level

Spider-Man: Octavius, has the advantage of having 8 minutes to comb his lab for equipment.

Captain America: In addition to his suit and shield has a Desert Eagle pistol, three flash-bang grenades and a combat knife.

Hulk: The Gravage (WWH/WBH) personality from Pak's run.

Wildcard: If the battle isn't over in 3 minutes then Hyperion will come in to help The Avengers.

The "Justice League" is aware that the Avengers are going to arrive in the Quinjet in 30 seconds, they have this time to practice with their new powers. The girls are aware of what hero's powers they have acquired but only have the background knowledge on that hero that their demographic (Japanese teenage girl) could reasonably expect to have. So they would know the broad strokes of say Superman's powers but not Martian Manhunter's.

The Avengers have 8 minutes before the fight to look up the powers and abilities of their soon to be opponents on Comic Vine. (Spider-Man's lab prep time comes after this research).

When the fight begins these will be the initial match-ups:

Thor vs. Misha (Superman)

Iron-Man vs. Rin (Green Lantern)

Hulk vs. Emi (Flash)

Captain America vs. Shizune (Batman)

Wolverine vs. Hanako (Martian Manhunter)

Spider-Man vs. Lily (Wonder Woman)

Fight is won by incapacitation, death or BFR

Fight takes place at Yamaku academy (the school from the game Katawa Shoujo).

Here is the link to the game's website. The game's download is free and the site contains bio's on all the girls and major characters.

http://www.katawa-shoujo.com/

Edited: This was my first thread on the Battle forums. The initial response was lukewarm. most posters felt that the Katawa girls would win easily given the parameters. Hopefully the revisions I made will allow for a more lively debate.

#2 Posted by isaac_clarke (5479 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm out.

#3 Edited by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh come now. Where's your sense of whimsy? ;)

#4 Posted by Shawnbaby (10869 posts) - - Show Bio

@godtriggerhulk:Most of these match up aren't even remotely fair....no matter who is actually using the powers.

Wolverine vs Manhunter? Spite

Spider-Man vs Wonder Woman? Spite

Really the only match up the Avengers have a decent shot at winning is Captain America vs Batman.

Next time research your characters more. This is terrible.

#5 Posted by LordVulcan (209 posts) - - Show Bio

What... What is this?

#6 Posted by KnightOfZero (1986 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby Whats with the hate for this thread? Its an interesting match up. You have 6 veteran super heroes vs 6 girls how have 3 min. to practice their powers. how is spiderman vs a blind wonder woman spite? If spider man kept his distance, he might be able to pull out a win. thor is magic, so him vs the misha superman could be a legit fight (you know, because superman is weak to magic). Red hulk vs emi flash, one good punch would kill her. Iron man vs some one who might not know the full capabilities of the green lantern ring AND is using her feet to fight, i think iron man could beat her. maybe you should understand the full concept of the thread more.

#7 Posted by dondave (38882 posts) - - Show Bio

JLA still win

#8 Posted by Shawnbaby (10869 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby Whats with the hate for this thread? Its an interesting match up. You have 6 veteran super heroes vs 6 girls how have 3 min. to practice their powers. how is spiderman vs a blind wonder woman spite? If spider man kept his distance, he might be able to pull out a win. thor is magic, so him vs the misha superman could be a legit fight (you know, because superman is weak to magic). Red hulk vs emi flash, one good punch would kill her. Iron man vs some one who might not know the full capabilities of the green lantern ring AND is using her feet to fight, i think iron man could beat her. maybe you should understand the full concept of the thread more.

Spider-Man cannot hurt WW...blind or not. And This isnt a suddenly blind and helpless WW...she's been blind her whole life. I assume she's adapted to that state.

Wolverine vs a Insanely powerful Telepath with Superman level Stats and intangibility...that isn't fair for Wolverine.

Superman isnt actually weak against Magic...he just doesn't have any more resistance to it than the average person....and Superman is way faster Than Thor.

Red Hulk vs Flash. One good punch could kill her....but he'll never land that punch...so again...its not a fair match up

The Physical deformities this GL has don't matter at all....She is using a weapon that only requires will power and imagination. She may not have full experience with the ring but she understands its basic functionality....it gives her a pretty big advantage against IM.

Cap vs Batman. Cap should win here. He's fighting against someone that doesn't have the skill or experience required....unfortunately...there's nothing he can do to help any of his teammates.

So no. It isnt a fair match.

#9 Edited by KnightOfZero (1986 posts) - - Show Bio

wolverine vs Hanako: you do realize she is mentally unstable and has mental breakdowns when someone mentioned her birthday. she probably couldnt bring her self to kill anyone and might have a breakdown on the battlefield. one good stab would put her down for the count (granted it would be a tough fight if she knew what she was doing)

spiderman vs wonder woman, again another tough fight, but spider man could keep her busy long enough for one of the avengers to help

superman vs thor: Thor does have berserker's rage which increases his abilities even more, to the point where thor could move 30 times the speed of light (compared to superman's 9 times the speed of light).

Red Hulk vs Flash: Yeah, she can move fast and hit him, and yeah, anything moving at 80% light speed (239 833 966 m / s) hurt red hulk. however, red hulk has a healing factor and is not slow himself, plus he expels heat the madder he gets, so if emi came in for another punch, she could potentially burn her hand off. and if red hulk over heated and caused an explosion while emi was in range (like if she was punching him), she would undoubtedly be killed

Gl vs iron man: this is rin we are talking about. her inexperience with the ring plus the fact that she has the physique of an anorexic japenese school girl, iron man might stand a better chance then you think.

So yeah, i agree that the justice league might win, but its not as close as you say it is.

#10 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby

I get your skepticism. Under normal cirumstances this wouldn't be a very tough fight for the Avengers. However circumstances in this match-up are far from normal. You mention that Wolverine would be facing "a telepath with superman level stats and intangibility" there are a couple of problems with this. First off Hanak wouldn't know that she had telepathy and intagibility, these things are hardly instinctual as such she wouldn't be able to access these powers. Also saying MM has Superman level stats is a false equivalence, so far as I can tell his highest stated flight speed is mach 10 (when the JLA fought the Crime Syndicate) hardly Superman level, people will often cite his dragging of the Earth along with Superman and WW but it's impossible to determine how much of the weight MM was pulling. MM is a cool character and very strong tp be sure but he doesn't have the feats to be compared to Superman and considering that this is Hanako MM's more esoteric powers probably wouldn't come into play. Wolverine has pierced the Hulk's skin and Thor's skin with his claws he could cut MM. Also he has increased telepathic immunity.

For Lily vs. Spider-man her blindness would be a major factor. In the game Lily is forced to navigate with a cane and is helpless without it, being blind doesn't make you Daredevil XD. Spider-man could avoid her flailing blows and use webbing to further incapacitate her until another Avenger could come help. SInce we agree that Cap would beat Shizune he could come and help Spider-man, Cap would most likely shoot with his guns or throw his shield to attack Lily, these penetrating attacks (shield has a sharp edge) would put WW down, freeing Spidey and Cap to help out their other teammates.

Red Hulk vs. Emi is tricky. Some may cry foul at my decision to nerf her speed, however both Waid-era Wally and New 52 Barry couldn't exceed light-speed for a while (as a side note, now that Turbine has left the Speed-Force and Barry no longer need worry about time-holes can he exceed light speed?). While Emi's massively hyper-sonic blows would certainly be a bitter pill, but Rulk has taken blows from the Hulk and Thor before. Ross also has pleanty of AOE moves to tag a speedster; energy explosions, thunderclaps and ground pounds could hit Emi or keep her out of the way.

We seem to agree on Cap vs. Shizune.

Thor vs. Superman is a massive can of worms, but still Thor wins. He would outstrip Misha greatly in combat skill and could absorb and redirect her heat vision. Thor has also great super-strength (lifting Jormungand) where as Supes took help to move the Earth. Thor also was able to trade blows with Gladiator who has high super-speed and reaction time. Thor was also able to rescue Red Hulk from a black hole. Also since Superman has no extra resistance to magic couldn't Thor turn him into krypton gas with his matter transmutation? It would be a knock down drag out (assuming Thor doesn't use matter transmutation) but Thor would come out on top.

GL Rin will probably win but at this point she is badly out-numbered and Thor would take her down.

The next days headline:

"Avengers barely triumph over team of disabled Japanese teenage girls"

#11 Posted by Shawnbaby (10869 posts) - - Show Bio

@godtriggerhulk: Regarding Manhunter...you said they would have all the knowledge they could reasonably expect them to have...in which case it's not too much to assume she would know about Manhunter's Telepathy and intangibility...so its not out of the question she could use those powers. Also...most powerful telepaths have to learn how to keep others thoughts out more than trying to actively read minds. And an inexperienced Telepath can actually be more dangerous than a trained one...she could inadvertently fry every mind here.

For Lily AKA Wonder Woman...WW has Superman level Durability...so Cap's gun is totally useless here and he just doesn't have the strength to hit her hard enough with his shield. Same goes For Spidey...she might not be able to hit him...but he can't do anything to her...his webs will be useless. The only ones here capable of even potentially hurting her are Rulk, Thor and maybe Iron Man...and they are tied up in other engagements.

Red Hulk vs Emi - No Contest. even at 80% Light Speed...she can put down Rulk...and everyone else here.

Thor vs Shiina (Superman)- The most overdone fight here at Comicvine is Thor Vs Superman...and Superman is the favoured winner of that combat. Now, Granted , Shiina won't have the experience Clark does...but all of his powers are incredibly well known...and Super Speed is among them. Thor has a poor track record against Speedsters.

#12 Posted by Saren (25055 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby

I get your skepticism. Under normal cirumstances this wouldn't be a very tough fight for the Avengers. However circumstances in this match-up are far from normal. You mention that Wolverine would be facing "a telepath with superman level stats and intangibility" there are a couple of problems with this. First off Hanak wouldn't know that she had telepathy and intagibility, these things are hardly instinctual as such she wouldn't be able to access these powers. Also saying MM has Superman level stats is a false equivalence, so far as I can tell his highest stated flight speed is mach 10 (when the JLA fought the Crime Syndicate) hardly Superman level, people will often cite his dragging of the Earth along with Superman and WW but it's impossible to determine how much of the weight MM was pulling. MM is a cool character and very strong tp be sure but he doesn't have the feats to be compared to Superman and considering that this is Hanako MM's more esoteric powers probably wouldn't come into play. Wolverine has pierced the Hulk's skin and Thor's skin with his claws he could cut MM. Also he has increased telepathic immunity.

The Martian perception of reality and their surroundings is predominantly governed by telepathy. If this Hanako chick woke up one morning with Martian Manhunter's psychic powers, she'd feel the effect immediately. She'd arguably also go mad as a result, judging by how D'Kay went bonkers upon being able to suddenly feel the thoughts of everyone on Earth after centuries of isolation. Intangibility, shape-shifting and invisibility are all functions of a Martian's ability to psionically manipulate his/her own molecules. Their mental state control their physical state, so it's not implausible that she'd notice some changes to her density, size, shape etc upon her mental state's transformation. All that aside, no, Martian Manhunter's highest stated flight speed is not Mach 10. He's chased down a spaceship flying at eight times the speed of light, flown from Mars to the Sun in around a minute, circled the Earth in less time than it took Batman to say "help is on the way", and gone mano-a-mano with an insane Barry Allen. So it's very likely that he has at least a minor speed edge over flipping Wolverine.

Wolverine can cut J'onn, sure, but there's no lasting damage he can deal out. He can behead J'onn and the Martian would simply grow a new body. He's been sliced to pieces and ignored the damage. And as for him not having the feats to be compared to Superman, the handful of times he's defeated Superman and the rest of the League simultaneously would like to lodge a formal protest. Wolverine's TP immunity goes up and down. More recent showings have his head screwed with by telepaths as high-end as Quentin Quire and as low-end as a noob Jean Grey, someone who wasn't even on the level of the Stepford Cuckoos with regard to telepathic ability.

Really, are you arguing Wolverine could beat Martian Manhunter? You could at least suggest he'll scratch his claws together to produce fire.

Then again, you also think Spider-Man and Captain America can beat Wonder Woman, so I'm probably wasting time here.

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#13 Posted by The Stegman (25961 posts) - - Show Bio

Um.....I...don't really know...erm....

#14 Edited by KnightOfZero (1986 posts) - - Show Bio

All of these are valid points. however, i think the main point of this thread is not JLA vs Avengers. Its experiences untrained japenese school girls with various disabilities vs the fully trained avengers. Im not saying that this is a blow out in favor of the avengers, because its not. However in the three minutes, will the girls have had enough time to master their powers? i understand that some things like super strength and durability doesnt take training, but the green lantern powers, various martian abilities do take training and the girls might not understand fully how to use their new powers.Also, in regards to hanako/martian man hunter, hanako is terrified by fire (its how she got her scarring) plus the maritan manhunters general weakness to fire means she would probably fold up if wolverine made fire with this claws. The blind wonderwoman vs spiderman and cap. might not be enough to take her down, however, lilly would not be able (in my opinion) to take them both down. I think that (especially with thor) that the avengers could pull out a victory, albiet a very slim victory.

#15 Posted by KnightOfZero (1986 posts) - - Show Bio

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#16 Edited by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump with edits

#17 Posted by GhostRavage (9412 posts) - - Show Bio

The fight lasts more than 3 minutes, then Hyperion comes and solo's... The total fight lasted 3 minutes and 15 seconds.

#18 Posted by KnightOfZero (1986 posts) - - Show Bio

@godtriggerhulkhmmm, im thinking that with the addition of hyperion, it tilts this battle a lot in the avenger's favor. i would say give the fights some more time (say 10 minutes) and through in some one a little lower on the power scale.

It also seems like world war hulk might be a bit to much jest because he is a city-planet buster who knows how to use his powers while the girls dont necessarily know the full extents of their power. it might be a bit more balanced if you put hulk at savage just to prevent potential one shots of characters.

#19 Posted by DrunkVader (794 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh come now. Where's your sense of whimsy? ;)

its taken me this long to read all this......what was the question?

#20 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

@drunkvader:

That was my response to issac_clarke, the second poster following me. He seemed to not be to keen on the premise.

#21 Posted by DrunkVader (794 posts) - - Show Bio

@drunkvader:

That was my response to issac_clarke, the second poster following me. He seemed to not be to keen on the premise.

#22 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

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#24 Posted by KnightOfZero (1986 posts) - - Show Bio

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