Original members on both teams
Avengers - Ant Man, Wasp, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk and Captain America
Justice League- Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter (no aquaman)
Battlefield Los Angelos....(looks like a good movie)
Match them up on 1v1 and use rounds...
Avengers v.s Justice League
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If we are talking original versions of these characters than I would go with The Avengers but if we are going with the modern versions then the JLA wins.
Okay im gonna start it off
In the first round I say THOR VS SUPERMAN ....THOR WINS
WASP VS MARTIAN .... MARTIAN WINS
IRON MAN VS GREEN LANTERN .....IRON MAN WINS
CAPTAIN AMERICA VS BATMAN ..... CAPTAIN WINS
HULK VS WONDERWOMAN .... HULK WINS
ANT MAN VS FLASH.....FLASH WINS
the debatable one is def thor...but he has can beat superman..he can beat superman he is a GOD, and has his f@#%ing awesome hammer, and superman is weak to magic...
It took me awhile to decide about captain winning and im still not sure....
also iron mans victory was unsure....i think his chest blast would finally beat out the green lantern
In the second round
HULK , IRON MAN, AND CAPTAIN V.S MARTIAN AND FLASH (left thor out cause that battle would probably take awhile)
Flash is the wild card but i think cause of the hulk the avengers would end up winning... flash looses his footing and iron man capitalizes...martian would be out early from a hit from hulk..(if landed)
" Okay im gonna start it offCan we debate a little before saying that Ant Man Beats Flash?That one doesn't make since sorry.
In the first round I say THOR VS SUPERMAN ....THOR WINS
WASP VS MARTIAN .... MARTIAN WINS
IRON MAN VS GREEN LANTERN .....IRON MAN WINS
CAPTAIN AMERICA VS BATMAN ..... CAPTAIN WINS
HULK VS WONDERWOMAN .... HULK WINS
ANT MAN VS FLASH.....FLASH WINS
the debatable one is def thor...but he has can beat superman..he can beat superman he is a GOD, and has his f@#%ing awesome hammer, and superman is weak to magic...
It took me awhile to decide about captain winning and im still not sure....
also iron mans victory was unsure....i think his chest blast would finally beat out the green lantern
In the second round
HULK , IRON MAN, AND CAPTAIN V.S MARTIAN AND FLASH (left thor out cause that battle would probably take awhile)
Flash is the wild card but i think cause of the hulk the avengers would end up winning... flash looses his footing and iron man capitalizes...martian would be out early from a hit from hulk..(if landed) "
" superman vs thor is a 50/50 debate with great arguements on both sides, flash beats ant man..., green lantern (which green lantern), most green lanterns should be capable of putting down ironman "Most people say GL stomps Iron Man,but I really think his current armor could give any lantern a fight.
JLA because MM's telepathy.
Otherwise if he can't use it the Avengers would put up a way better fight but might still lose.
haha it's a good thing you took out Aquaman, otherwise this fight would've been a COMPLETE shit show
" JLA because MM's telepathy. Otherwise if he can't use it the Avengers would put up a way better fight but might still lose. "They would slaughter the Avengers even without MM's telepathy
" @youfinished said:Slaughter isn't the proper term but I already said that they would lose." JLA because MM's telepathy. Otherwise if he can't use it the Avengers would put up a way better fight but might still lose. "They would slaughter the Avengers even without MM's telepathy "
" @Cosmic_Falcon said:Slaughter is the proper term, Hulk can't fly, Thor would get creamed and the rest of them are worthless" @youfinished said:Slaughter isn't the proper term but I already said that they would lose. "" JLA because MM's telepathy. Otherwise if he can't use it the Avengers would put up a way better fight but might still lose. "They would slaughter the Avengers even without MM's telepathy "
" @Valtot said:How?" superman vs thor is a 50/50 debate with great arguements on both sides, flash beats ant man..., green lantern (which green lantern), most green lanterns should be capable of putting down ironman "Most people say GL stomps Iron Man,but I really think his current armor could give any lantern a fight. "
If your sticking to "original members" than Captain America wasn't (re-animated in issue 4 of Avengers). All the same close enough to let it slide." Original members on both teams
Avengers - Ant Man, Wasp, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk and Captain America
Justice League- Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter (no aquaman)
Battlefield Los Angelos....(looks like a good movie)
Match them up on 1v1 and use rounds... "
Are all members at original power levels also?? If not what power levels. It's a very important question. Superman at the start of JLA wasn't as powerful (in his depiction) as he was say 5 years later (full SA level powers), GL's weakness to yellow was ridiculously over stated (which was the color of Iran mans Original armor, WW was way below her later power levels- she even needed Superman's help to be pulled out of tar. Manhunters weakness to fire was a lot more pronounced and he used his mental abilities a lot less than later on (if at all) to a lot lower levels. All this while at the same time the Avengers (save Ironman who's armor has well untruly advanced ) were higher than later levels.
All above images are from JLA issue 1.
Of all the matches that could be made between the JLA and the Avengers (where the line ups actually represent teams as they have been) this is the one in which the Avengers have the best chance against a REAL JLA (obviously by the "real" statement I'm excluding the Detroit league).
I've debated this before here
http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000232461
" @beatboks1: it sais original memebers as in the original team memembers not original power levels "That's sort of my point. The OP seems pretty convinced that the Avengers have a shot in this. The only way that's possible if it's original power levels as well. So I was asking in case he meant that but didn't state so correctly, it's been done before. Like I say that's the only way these two line ups could be in any way a close call. Since that would also be well before the speed force was ever considered.
@AllThingsOdinSon said:
" who can get beat by wood or the colour yellow.... "
By the By no GL who's ever been considered a member of the JLA had a weakness to wood. That's the JSA member, and even when he had that weakness he was usually smart enough to work out a way around it unless dog tired.
" Okay im gonna start it offI still think Batman could totally take on Cap. He's taken on bane without disconnecting the tubes delivering the Venom into his bloodstream and other DC heavy hitting villains. So I totally think Batman could take on Captain America as for the rest I'm sure they are correct. But your right Flash is kind of a wildcard. I mean if Ant Man decided to grow I don't think flash would have much of a chance. And if he shrank well...what good is all that speed if you can hardly see your target?
In the first round I say THOR VS SUPERMAN ....THOR WINS
WASP VS MARTIAN .... MARTIAN WINS
IRON MAN VS GREEN LANTERN .....IRON MAN WINS
CAPTAIN AMERICA VS BATMAN ..... CAPTAIN WINS
HULK VS WONDERWOMAN .... HULK WINS
ANT MAN VS FLASH.....FLASH WINS
the debatable one is def thor...but he has can beat superman..he can beat superman he is a GOD, and has his f@#%ing awesome hammer, and superman is weak to magic...
It took me awhile to decide about captain winning and im still not sure....
also iron mans victory was unsure....i think his chest blast would finally beat out the green lantern
In the second round
HULK , IRON MAN, AND CAPTAIN V.S MARTIAN AND FLASH (left thor out cause that battle would probably take awhile)
Flash is the wild card but i think cause of the hulk the avengers would end up winning... flash looses his footing and iron man capitalizes...martian would be out early from a hit from hulk..(if landed) "
" GL is the most powerful weapon in the Universe. JLA takes this cake. "Well in the DC Universe. But when you collide DC and Marvel you never know.
Martian mind rapes all of them except maybe Thor who just gets beaten down by al there heavy hitters.
" is it original members but with current powers? "I think we can give up on getting an answer on that once, since I first asked (the opposite way around) over 20 hrs ago.
I suspect (based on his subsequent posts and how he mentioned certain weaknesses that no longer exist) that the OP meant original power levels of both.
That would make it a more interesting (and even ) contest, since as the scans I posted on the previous page show that the JLA's heavy hitters were much less powerful back then.
Even Superman in the original year of JLA wasn't anywhere near his SA power levels (the scan I showed of him pulling WW out of Tar actually needed him to make three heaves), not to mention how lame his Kryptonite weakness was in those early days.
MM rarely used any of his non superman like powers (shape shifting, TP, TK invisibility, intangibility) and his strength, invulnerability and speed were well below later feats (in issue three or 4 he actually couldn't go any faster because the air friction was hurting him, and the mere presence of fire made him weak as a kitten)
Modern MM could have simply used his TK to mind rape Kromm, but not the MM of the original year or two.
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