Avengers vs Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom - Film versions

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  • Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye and Black Widow
  • Mr Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, Thing and Doctor Doom
  • Film versions of all, as pictured
  • Most recent standard gear for all
  • Takes place in an empty football stadium
  • Start on opposite ends of the field
  • No prep or prior knowledge
  • All are in character
  • Win by any means
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Silver Surfer solos.

This is spite!

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@legacy6364 said:

Silver Surfer solos.

This is spite!

@eyedcyou said:

@legacy6364 said:

Silver Surfer solos.

This is spite!

I didn't think it would be fair without him. I could change it..?

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@silverrings: It wouldn't be fair without him, but it's more unfair with him.

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@legacy6364 said:

Silver Surfer solos.

This is spite!

@eyedcyou said:

@legacy6364 said:

Silver Surfer solos.

This is spite!

I didn't think it would be fair without him. I could change it..?

I would suggest you to add movie Doctor Doom and remove silver surfer

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@silverrings: It's not bad, But then I'd say Doom would probably solo.

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@eyedcyou How would he take out Iron Man, Hulk and Thor?

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Hulk & Thor tag team solo

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Hulk & Thor tag team solo

How are either of them going to deal with Surfer's intangibility, his absorption powers, his draining powers.....etc.

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well seeing as without his board he aint worth squat.....thor and hulk solo

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Thor solo's

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Comes down to SS vs Thor, honestly their both team busters, insanely versatile, and don't have too many viable weaknesses this is a quite the debate. My answer would have to be SS because he's faster and can take a beating, but to say he solo's is just a no seeing as he BARELY beats Thor, Hawkeye could just spam him with explosives afterwards or Hulk could own him like he did Loki.

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@uugieboogie said:

Hulk & Thor tag team solo

How are either of them going to deal with Surfer's intangibility, his absorption powers, his draining powers.....etc.

Now the battle is Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom vs Avengers.

I think that the Fantastic four wins.

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I'm looooooong overdue to see the FF movies again.

With that disclaimer being issued, I'm thinking Hulk and Thor are too much to overcome. I think, if you remove Thor, it's about a toss up. Even then, I think it takes the whole FF team to contain Hulk, and IM might be enough of a distraction not to allow that to happen.

Again, please refer to the disclaimer, lol

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@fallschirmjager said:

@uugieboogie said:

Hulk & Thor tag team solo

How are either of them going to deal with Surfer's intangibility, his absorption powers, his draining powers.....etc.

Now the battle is Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom vs Avengers.

I think that the Fantastic four wins.

It says SS in the OP...

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#18  Edited By Stormdriven

No Surfer, Avengers win handily. With Surfer, FF curbs.

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@black_arrow said:

@fallschirmjager said:

@uugieboogie said:

Hulk & Thor tag team solo

How are either of them going to deal with Surfer's intangibility, his absorption powers, his draining powers.....etc.

Now the battle is Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom vs Avengers.

I think that the Fantastic four wins.

It says SS in the OP...

Read the comments, It was a mistake that he left in the op Silver surfer.

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Avengers win, Thor and Hulk might be able to do this by themselves

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#22  Edited By amazing_webhead

Film Fantastic 4 suck. Avengers stomp.

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avengers win regardless

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um...ff movies sucked and i refuse that guy to be doc.doom just like how galactus WAS NOT in ff 2

It was just some random storm

Anyway on to the fight at hand....avengers stomp ff.... Unless they have surfer.....they still win tho

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Surfer did nothing in that film to show that he can even hang with iron man. He bfr`d a few missiles and tanked a shot from a lame ass doom.

Once Thor or hulk separate him from his board it's a roflstomp

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F4 an Doom win. Thing has the best strength feat here and Doom matches him. Not mention Doom blows holes in people and is insanely durable.

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I say that the team with Chris Evans wins.

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Chris Evans meme is too funny haha

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F4 an Doom win. Thing has the best strength feat here and Doom matches him. Not mention Doom blows holes in people and is insanely durable.

How does Thing have the best strength feat? Thing is probably the first one to go down, do you not remember this?

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F4 an Doom win. Thing has the best strength feat here and Doom matches him. Not mention Doom blows holes in people and is insanely durable.

How does Thing have the best strength feat? Thing is probably the first one to go down, do you not remember this?

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Random featless rock monster =\= Thing. Thing lifted/moved that giant ferris wheel in the second movie. Well over 200 and some odd tons if not thousands.

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@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

F4 an Doom win. Thing has the best strength feat here and Doom matches him. Not mention Doom blows holes in people and is insanely durable.

How does Thing have the best strength feat? Thing is probably the first one to go down, do you not remember this?

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Random featless rock monster =\= Thing. Thing lifted/moved that giant ferris wheel in the second movie. Well over 200 and some odd tons if not thousands.

Neither Doom or Thing were impressive. Hulk could solo Thing no problem. That one strength feat he had pretty pitiful striking feats. Iron Man could take Doom or Thor can take Doom. One lightning strike could Sue, Johnny or Reed down easily. Trick arrows from Hawkeye can handle Sue or Reed. Too many ways for the Avengers to put them down.

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@darkraiden said:

@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

F4 an Doom win. Thing has the best strength feat here and Doom matches him. Not mention Doom blows holes in people and is insanely durable.

How does Thing have the best strength feat? Thing is probably the first one to go down, do you not remember this?

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Random featless rock monster =\= Thing. Thing lifted/moved that giant ferris wheel in the second movie. Well over 200 and some odd tons if not thousands.

Neither Doom or Thing were impressive. Hulk could solo Thing no problem. That one strength feat he had pretty pitiful striking feats. Iron Man could take Doom or Thor can take Doom. One lightning strike could Sue, Johnny or Reed down easily. Trick arrows from Hawkeye can handle Sue or Reed. Too many ways for the Avengers to put them down.

Iron Man doesn't have the feats for Doom. Hawkeye doesn't have trick arrows, only explosive in the movie and Sue can stop that.

even Thor doesn't have the feats to put down Doom. Hulk may, may be able to hurt Thing, but he can't solo him nor can he tank a hit. And what striking feats did you want Thing to have exactly? Who was he supposed to show them off on?

Based on feats, Torch can take everyone here by going supernova, Doom can solo everyone except maybe Thor with a blast, Sue can blast people and block their attacks, and Reed can apparently launch projectiles at high speed/strength (they were kinda hurting Doom even though Thing punching him through a building did nothing).

But yeah Torch can blitz and win via heat, Sue's the defense, Reed can just wrap up people, thing is stronger than everyone and Doom is more durable and stronger and more offensively capable then anyone here.

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@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

F4 an Doom win. Thing has the best strength feat here and Doom matches him. Not mention Doom blows holes in people and is insanely durable.

How does Thing have the best strength feat? Thing is probably the first one to go down, do you not remember this?

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Random featless rock monster =\= Thing. Thing lifted/moved that giant ferris wheel in the second movie. Well over 200 and some odd tons if not thousands.

Neither Doom or Thing were impressive. Hulk could solo Thing no problem. That one strength feat he had pretty pitiful striking feats. Iron Man could take Doom or Thor can take Doom. One lightning strike could Sue, Johnny or Reed down easily. Trick arrows from Hawkeye can handle Sue or Reed. Too many ways for the Avengers to put them down.

Iron Man doesn't have the feats for Doom. Hawkeye doesn't have trick arrows, only explosive in the movie and Sue can stop that.

  • Are you serious? lol. Whats stopping his lasers from slicing thru Doom & Thing? Sue's force fields on the movies were directional not onmi-directional, that being said he doesn't have to shoot it directly at her. He can shoot from behind her or whherever. & he had more than explosive trick arrows. He had the drill arrow that they drilled through the thing connecting the chitari to its hover craft. He had that arrow that shot bullets too.

even Thor doesn't have the feats to put down Doom. Hulk may, may be able to hurt Thing, but he can't solo him nor can he tank a hit. And what striking feats did you want Thing to have exactly? Who was he supposed to show them off on?

  • Thor & Hulk have displayed more than enough to take down the Thing & Doom. Neither of them showed any kind of actually fight ability & they were slow as hell. &he showed no striking feats he didn't show any special durability either. Doom with a electrified pole sent Thing flying & looked like he was about to kill him before Sue stepped in.
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Based on feats, Torch can take everyone here by going supernova, Doom can solo everyone except maybe Thor with a blast, Sue can blast people and block their attacks, and Reed can apparently launch projectiles at high speed/strength (they were kinda hurting Doom even though Thing punching him through a building did nothing).

  • He needs air to have his fire, Thor can suck the air from him with a tornado like he did when he lifted the Destroyer off the ground. No air, no fire. Or Thor can use rain, in the beginning of Thor 2 he was controlling the rain. Nothing stops Reed from getting shot by Widow or an arrow from Hawkeye. He didn't show a invulnerability to piercing damage at all in the film. & the fact he has harmed Dooms blast means he can be harmed by Thor's blast or a bolt of lightning. Again sue only showed directional shields she didn't display omni-directional shields from what I remember. She's facing one way & get a arrow in the back. Doom's blast were slow as shit & everyone showed enough reflexes to actually evade them & nothing stops Thor from blocking it with Mjolnir like he did with the Aether attacks. Iron man could literally solo all of them with those lasers he has that can cut through pretty much everything.

But yeah Torch can blitz and win via heat, Sue's the defense, Reed can just wrap up people, thing is stronger than everyone and Doom is more durable and stronger and more offensively capable then anyone here.

  • Torch blitzes nobody he didn't show any blitz capabilities at all & he showed no special durability. Sue's defenses can easily be countered, once again they were only directional. Anyone can come rom behind to hurt her or Thor can strike her with lightning or like he did with Malekith have the lightning travel through the ground & shock her. Reed wrapping up people won't do anything if he tried to wrap widow she shocks him with the widow stings. Iron Man easily shoots him wiht pretty much anything in his suit. Thing had one lifting feat & this is a feat not a lifting contest so that won't save him. He's slow & was sent flying by Doom hitting him with a pole. Thor with Mjolnir or Hulk can easily send Thing flying. Doom didn't show he was more durable or stronger or more offensively capable than anyone, lol are you serious? Thor was smacked, punched kicked, blasted & had his face dragged up the side of a mountain by Iron Man & showed NO damage at all. Offensive capability? Thor can get close & hit you with Mjolnir, throw mjolnir from a distance, shoot lighting from it, make lightning bolts come down. Did you not see his destructive & offensive capabilities? One lightning bolt in the first movie destroyed the shit out of that area the frost giants were. Once tornado can lift all of them off their feet & they won't have a way to do anything, Torch can't stay torched without air to support his fire. Reed & Sue can easily be killed by Widow or Hawkeye. The Avengers take this fight easily. Lets not forget the Avengers even work together better &Cap had tactile know how.
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@darkraiden said:

@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

F4 an Doom win. Thing has the best strength feat here and Doom matches him. Not mention Doom blows holes in people and is insanely durable.

How does Thing have the best strength feat? Thing is probably the first one to go down, do you not remember this?

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Random featless rock monster =\= Thing. Thing lifted/moved that giant ferris wheel in the second movie. Well over 200 and some odd tons if not thousands.

Neither Doom or Thing were impressive. Hulk could solo Thing no problem. That one strength feat he had pretty pitiful striking feats. Iron Man could take Doom or Thor can take Doom. One lightning strike could Sue, Johnny or Reed down easily. Trick arrows from Hawkeye can handle Sue or Reed. Too many ways for the Avengers to put them down.

Iron Man doesn't have the feats for Doom. Hawkeye doesn't have trick arrows, only explosive in the movie and Sue can stop that.

  • Are you serious? lol. Whats stopping his lasers from slicing thru Doom & Thing? Sue's force fields on the movies were directional not onmi-directional, that being said he doesn't have to shoot it directly at her. He can shoot from behind her or whherever. & he had more than explosive trick arrows. He had the drill arrow that they drilled through the thing connecting the chitari to its hover craft. He had that arrow that shot bullets too.

even Thor doesn't have the feats to put down Doom. Hulk may, may be able to hurt Thing, but he can't solo him nor can he tank a hit. And what striking feats did you want Thing to have exactly? Who was he supposed to show them off on?

  • Thor & Hulk have displayed more than enough to take down the Thing & Doom. Neither of them showed any kind of actually fight ability & they were slow as hell. &he showed no striking feats he didn't show any special durability either. Doom with a electrified pole sent Thing flying & looked like he was about to kill him before Sue stepped in.
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Based on feats, Torch can take everyone here by going supernova, Doom can solo everyone except maybe Thor with a blast, Sue can blast people and block their attacks, and Reed can apparently launch projectiles at high speed/strength (they were kinda hurting Doom even though Thing punching him through a building did nothing).

  • He needs air to have his fire, Thor can suck the air from him with a tornado like he did when he lifted the Destroyer off the ground. No air, no fire. Or Thor can use rain, in the beginning of Thor 2 he was controlling the rain. Nothing stops Reed from getting shot by Widow or an arrow from Hawkeye. He didn't show a invulnerability to piercing damage at all in the film. & the fact he has harmed Dooms blast means he can be harmed by Thor's blast or a bolt of lightning. Again sue only showed directional shields she didn't display omni-directional shields from what I remember. She's facing one way & get a arrow in the back. Doom's blast were slow as shit & everyone showed enough reflexes to actually evade them & nothing stops Thor from blocking it with Mjolnir like he did with the Aether attacks. Iron man could literally solo all of them with those lasers he has that can cut through pretty much everything.

But yeah Torch can blitz and win via heat, Sue's the defense, Reed can just wrap up people, thing is stronger than everyone and Doom is more durable and stronger and more offensively capable then anyone here.

  • Torch blitzes nobody he didn't show any blitz capabilities at all & he showed no special durability. Sue's defenses can easily be countered, once again they were only directional. Anyone can come rom behind to hurt her or Thor can strike her with lightning or like he did with Malekith have the lightning travel through the ground & shock her. Reed wrapping up people won't do anything if he tried to wrap widow she shocks him with the widow stings. Iron Man easily shoots him wiht pretty much anything in his suit. Thing had one lifting feat & this is a feat not a lifting contest so that won't save him. He's slow & was sent flying by Doom hitting him with a pole. Thor with Mjolnir or Hulk can easily send Thing flying. Doom didn't show he was more durable or stronger or more offensively capable than anyone, lol are you serious? Thor was smacked, punched kicked, blasted & had his face dragged up the side of a mountain by Iron Man & showed NO damage at all. Offensive capability? Thor can get close & hit you with Mjolnir, throw mjolnir from a distance, shoot lighting from it, make lightning bolts come down. Did you not see his destructive & offensive capabilities? One lightning bolt in the first movie destroyed the shit out of that area the frost giants were. Once tornado can lift all of them off their feet & they won't have a way to do anything, Torch can't stay torched without air to support his fire. Reed & Sue can easily be killed by Widow or Hawkeye. The Avengers take this fight easily. Lets not forget the Avengers even work together better &Cap had tactile know how.

90% of stuff you named is out of character.Thor doesn't use his wind ever except that 1 time in all 3 movies. He doesn't even use his lightning alot tbh. Iron Man also doesn't use his lasers much, just missiles and for some reason, his weaker arsenal. Plus those lasers haven't cut through anything impressive enough to say they can cut through Doom or Thing.

Hulk can send Thing flying, sure, but Thing has the better strength feats and can overpower the Hulk and send him flying as well. Doom can likely oneshot the Hulk too.

Hawkeye nor Widow will be doing much to Sue, especially with Torch around. They're non factors. And even if you took out everyone but Doom, his feats are sufficient enough for him to solo. Only Thor stands any semblance of a chance, but Doom is both stronger and more durable than him.

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@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

F4 an Doom win. Thing has the best strength feat here and Doom matches him. Not mention Doom blows holes in people and is insanely durable.

How does Thing have the best strength feat? Thing is probably the first one to go down, do you not remember this?

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Random featless rock monster =\= Thing. Thing lifted/moved that giant ferris wheel in the second movie. Well over 200 and some odd tons if not thousands.

Neither Doom or Thing were impressive. Hulk could solo Thing no problem. That one strength feat he had pretty pitiful striking feats. Iron Man could take Doom or Thor can take Doom. One lightning strike could Sue, Johnny or Reed down easily. Trick arrows from Hawkeye can handle Sue or Reed. Too many ways for the Avengers to put them down.

Iron Man doesn't have the feats for Doom. Hawkeye doesn't have trick arrows, only explosive in the movie and Sue can stop that.

  • Are you serious? lol. Whats stopping his lasers from slicing thru Doom & Thing? Sue's force fields on the movies were directional not onmi-directional, that being said he doesn't have to shoot it directly at her. He can shoot from behind her or whherever. & he had more than explosive trick arrows. He had the drill arrow that they drilled through the thing connecting the chitari to its hover craft. He had that arrow that shot bullets too.

even Thor doesn't have the feats to put down Doom. Hulk may, may be able to hurt Thing, but he can't solo him nor can he tank a hit. And what striking feats did you want Thing to have exactly? Who was he supposed to show them off on?

  • Thor & Hulk have displayed more than enough to take down the Thing & Doom. Neither of them showed any kind of actually fight ability & they were slow as hell. &he showed no striking feats he didn't show any special durability either. Doom with a electrified pole sent Thing flying & looked like he was about to kill him before Sue stepped in.
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Based on feats, Torch can take everyone here by going supernova, Doom can solo everyone except maybe Thor with a blast, Sue can blast people and block their attacks, and Reed can apparently launch projectiles at high speed/strength (they were kinda hurting Doom even though Thing punching him through a building did nothing).

  • He needs air to have his fire, Thor can suck the air from him with a tornado like he did when he lifted the Destroyer off the ground. No air, no fire. Or Thor can use rain, in the beginning of Thor 2 he was controlling the rain. Nothing stops Reed from getting shot by Widow or an arrow from Hawkeye. He didn't show a invulnerability to piercing damage at all in the film. & the fact he has harmed Dooms blast means he can be harmed by Thor's blast or a bolt of lightning. Again sue only showed directional shields she didn't display omni-directional shields from what I remember. She's facing one way & get a arrow in the back. Doom's blast were slow as shit & everyone showed enough reflexes to actually evade them & nothing stops Thor from blocking it with Mjolnir like he did with the Aether attacks. Iron man could literally solo all of them with those lasers he has that can cut through pretty much everything.

But yeah Torch can blitz and win via heat, Sue's the defense, Reed can just wrap up people, thing is stronger than everyone and Doom is more durable and stronger and more offensively capable then anyone here.

  • Torch blitzes nobody he didn't show any blitz capabilities at all & he showed no special durability. Sue's defenses can easily be countered, once again they were only directional. Anyone can come rom behind to hurt her or Thor can strike her with lightning or like he did with Malekith have the lightning travel through the ground & shock her. Reed wrapping up people won't do anything if he tried to wrap widow she shocks him with the widow stings. Iron Man easily shoots him wiht pretty much anything in his suit. Thing had one lifting feat & this is a feat not a lifting contest so that won't save him. He's slow & was sent flying by Doom hitting him with a pole. Thor with Mjolnir or Hulk can easily send Thing flying. Doom didn't show he was more durable or stronger or more offensively capable than anyone, lol are you serious? Thor was smacked, punched kicked, blasted & had his face dragged up the side of a mountain by Iron Man & showed NO damage at all. Offensive capability? Thor can get close & hit you with Mjolnir, throw mjolnir from a distance, shoot lighting from it, make lightning bolts come down. Did you not see his destructive & offensive capabilities? One lightning bolt in the first movie destroyed the shit out of that area the frost giants were. Once tornado can lift all of them off their feet & they won't have a way to do anything, Torch can't stay torched without air to support his fire. Reed & Sue can easily be killed by Widow or Hawkeye. The Avengers take this fight easily. Lets not forget the Avengers even work together better &Cap had tactile know how.

90% of stuff you named is out of character.Thor doesn't use his wind ever except that 1 time in all 3 movies. He doesn't even use his lightning alot tbh. Iron Man also doesn't use his lasers much, just missiles and for some reason, his weaker arsenal. Plus those lasers haven't cut through anything impressive enough to say they can cut through Doom or Thing.

  • Seriously dude? lol you brought up Torch supernova move that he used ONCE, you brought Doom shooting a blast thru someone that happened ONCE, you keep bringing up that ONE strength feat of Thing. Thor consistently used lightning Throughout all 3 films. Thor, Avengers & Thor TDW so what are you talking about? Iron Man used his lasers in Iron Man 2 & in Avnegers when he was able to use more than once. The lasers cut through all those suits & everything around them. Thing didn't display any special durability except to Torch fire blast. Name one thing I mentioned that was out of character. Hawkeye & BW consistently shoot people or try to shoot people & Thor consistently Thor's his hammer at people. So please tell me one thing thats out of character.

Hulk can send Thing flying, sure, but Thing has the better strength feats and can overpower the Hulk and send him flying as well. Doom can likely oneshot the Hulk too.

  • Did you not watch the Hulk & Abomination fight? lol. He's clearly faster than Thing & was hitting a lot harder. What does Doom have that can one shot Hulk? lol. Doom was getting knocked around by Thing who wasn't impressive at all. He doesn't have better strength feats he had ONE strength feat, lmao. Other than that he flipped a car which Thor also did easily in Avengers.

Hawkeye nor Widow will be doing much to Sue, especially with Torch around. They're non factors. And even if you took out everyone but Doom, his feats are sufficient enough for him to solo. Only Thor stands any semblance of a chance, but Doom is both stronger and more durable than him.

  • Once again, Sue's force fields weren't omni-directional in the movie, with that being said BW or Hawkeye could EASILY shoot her from behind. He was easily picking off targets in Avengers. You clearly must have watched different movies, lmao. What feats does Doom have that would suggest he could solo the Avengers? & please don't mention anything with him having SS surfer board because he doesn't have that here.

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Thor hitting Thing with Mjolnir would be a lot worst. & Doom got sent flying by a car. Thor got a huge chung of mountain thrown at him by Kurse.

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F4 an Doom win. Thing has the best strength feat here and Doom matches him. Not mention Doom blows holes in people and is insanely durable.

How does Thing have the best strength feat? Thing is probably the first one to go down, do you not remember this?

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Random featless rock monster =\= Thing. Thing lifted/moved that giant ferris wheel in the second movie. Well over 200 and some odd tons if not thousands.

Neither Doom or Thing were impressive. Hulk could solo Thing no problem. That one strength feat he had pretty pitiful striking feats. Iron Man could take Doom or Thor can take Doom. One lightning strike could Sue, Johnny or Reed down easily. Trick arrows from Hawkeye can handle Sue or Reed. Too many ways for the Avengers to put them down.

Iron Man doesn't have the feats for Doom. Hawkeye doesn't have trick arrows, only explosive in the movie and Sue can stop that.

  • Are you serious? lol. Whats stopping his lasers from slicing thru Doom & Thing? Sue's force fields on the movies were directional not onmi-directional, that being said he doesn't have to shoot it directly at her. He can shoot from behind her or whherever. & he had more than explosive trick arrows. He had the drill arrow that they drilled through the thing connecting the chitari to its hover craft. He had that arrow that shot bullets too.

even Thor doesn't have the feats to put down Doom. Hulk may, may be able to hurt Thing, but he can't solo him nor can he tank a hit. And what striking feats did you want Thing to have exactly? Who was he supposed to show them off on?

  • Thor & Hulk have displayed more than enough to take down the Thing & Doom. Neither of them showed any kind of actually fight ability & they were slow as hell. &he showed no striking feats he didn't show any special durability either. Doom with a electrified pole sent Thing flying & looked like he was about to kill him before Sue stepped in.
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Based on feats, Torch can take everyone here by going supernova, Doom can solo everyone except maybe Thor with a blast, Sue can blast people and block their attacks, and Reed can apparently launch projectiles at high speed/strength (they were kinda hurting Doom even though Thing punching him through a building did nothing).

  • He needs air to have his fire, Thor can suck the air from him with a tornado like he did when he lifted the Destroyer off the ground. No air, no fire. Or Thor can use rain, in the beginning of Thor 2 he was controlling the rain. Nothing stops Reed from getting shot by Widow or an arrow from Hawkeye. He didn't show a invulnerability to piercing damage at all in the film. & the fact he has harmed Dooms blast means he can be harmed by Thor's blast or a bolt of lightning. Again sue only showed directional shields she didn't display omni-directional shields from what I remember. She's facing one way & get a arrow in the back. Doom's blast were slow as shit & everyone showed enough reflexes to actually evade them & nothing stops Thor from blocking it with Mjolnir like he did with the Aether attacks. Iron man could literally solo all of them with those lasers he has that can cut through pretty much everything.

But yeah Torch can blitz and win via heat, Sue's the defense, Reed can just wrap up people, thing is stronger than everyone and Doom is more durable and stronger and more offensively capable then anyone here.

  • Torch blitzes nobody he didn't show any blitz capabilities at all & he showed no special durability. Sue's defenses can easily be countered, once again they were only directional. Anyone can come rom behind to hurt her or Thor can strike her with lightning or like he did with Malekith have the lightning travel through the ground & shock her. Reed wrapping up people won't do anything if he tried to wrap widow she shocks him with the widow stings. Iron Man easily shoots him wiht pretty much anything in his suit. Thing had one lifting feat & this is a feat not a lifting contest so that won't save him. He's slow & was sent flying by Doom hitting him with a pole. Thor with Mjolnir or Hulk can easily send Thing flying. Doom didn't show he was more durable or stronger or more offensively capable than anyone, lol are you serious? Thor was smacked, punched kicked, blasted & had his face dragged up the side of a mountain by Iron Man & showed NO damage at all. Offensive capability? Thor can get close & hit you with Mjolnir, throw mjolnir from a distance, shoot lighting from it, make lightning bolts come down. Did you not see his destructive & offensive capabilities? One lightning bolt in the first movie destroyed the shit out of that area the frost giants were. Once tornado can lift all of them off their feet & they won't have a way to do anything, Torch can't stay torched without air to support his fire. Reed & Sue can easily be killed by Widow or Hawkeye. The Avengers take this fight easily. Lets not forget the Avengers even work together better &Cap had tactile know how.

90% of stuff you named is out of character.Thor doesn't use his wind ever except that 1 time in all 3 movies. He doesn't even use his lightning alot tbh. Iron Man also doesn't use his lasers much, just missiles and for some reason, his weaker arsenal. Plus those lasers haven't cut through anything impressive enough to say they can cut through Doom or Thing.

Hulk can send Thing flying, sure, but Thing has the better strength feats and can overpower the Hulk and send him flying as well. Doom can likely oneshot the Hulk too.

Hawkeye nor Widow will be doing much to Sue, especially with Torch around. They're non factors. And even if you took out everyone but Doom, his feats are sufficient enough for him to solo. Only Thor stands any semblance of a chance, but Doom is both stronger and more durable than him.

Lol or Thor can simply take Doom out of the fight via

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@darkraiden said:
@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

@uugieboogie said:

@darkraiden said:

@uugieboogie said:

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F4 an Doom win. Thing has the best strength feat here and Doom matches him. Not mention Doom blows holes in people and is insanely durable.

How does Thing have the best strength feat? Thing is probably the first one to go down, do you not remember this?

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Random featless rock monster =\= Thing. Thing lifted/moved that giant ferris wheel in the second movie. Well over 200 and some odd tons if not thousands.

Neither Doom or Thing were impressive. Hulk could solo Thing no problem. That one strength feat he had pretty pitiful striking feats. Iron Man could take Doom or Thor can take Doom. One lightning strike could Sue, Johnny or Reed down easily. Trick arrows from Hawkeye can handle Sue or Reed. Too many ways for the Avengers to put them down.

Iron Man doesn't have the feats for Doom. Hawkeye doesn't have trick arrows, only explosive in the movie and Sue can stop that.

  • Are you serious? lol. Whats stopping his lasers from slicing thru Doom & Thing? Sue's force fields on the movies were directional not onmi-directional, that being said he doesn't have to shoot it directly at her. He can shoot from behind her or whherever. & he had more than explosive trick arrows. He had the drill arrow that they drilled through the thing connecting the chitari to its hover craft. He had that arrow that shot bullets too.

even Thor doesn't have the feats to put down Doom. Hulk may, may be able to hurt Thing, but he can't solo him nor can he tank a hit. And what striking feats did you want Thing to have exactly? Who was he supposed to show them off on?

  • Thor & Hulk have displayed more than enough to take down the Thing & Doom. Neither of them showed any kind of actually fight ability & they were slow as hell. &he showed no striking feats he didn't show any special durability either. Doom with a electrified pole sent Thing flying & looked like he was about to kill him before Sue stepped in.
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Based on feats, Torch can take everyone here by going supernova, Doom can solo everyone except maybe Thor with a blast, Sue can blast people and block their attacks, and Reed can apparently launch projectiles at high speed/strength (they were kinda hurting Doom even though Thing punching him through a building did nothing).

  • He needs air to have his fire, Thor can suck the air from him with a tornado like he did when he lifted the Destroyer off the ground. No air, no fire. Or Thor can use rain, in the beginning of Thor 2 he was controlling the rain. Nothing stops Reed from getting shot by Widow or an arrow from Hawkeye. He didn't show a invulnerability to piercing damage at all in the film. & the fact he has harmed Dooms blast means he can be harmed by Thor's blast or a bolt of lightning. Again sue only showed directional shields she didn't display omni-directional shields from what I remember. She's facing one way & get a arrow in the back. Doom's blast were slow as shit & everyone showed enough reflexes to actually evade them & nothing stops Thor from blocking it with Mjolnir like he did with the Aether attacks. Iron man could literally solo all of them with those lasers he has that can cut through pretty much everything.

But yeah Torch can blitz and win via heat, Sue's the defense, Reed can just wrap up people, thing is stronger than everyone and Doom is more durable and stronger and more offensively capable then anyone here.

  • Torch blitzes nobody he didn't show any blitz capabilities at all & he showed no special durability. Sue's defenses can easily be countered, once again they were only directional. Anyone can come rom behind to hurt her or Thor can strike her with lightning or like he did with Malekith have the lightning travel through the ground & shock her. Reed wrapping up people won't do anything if he tried to wrap widow she shocks him with the widow stings. Iron Man easily shoots him wiht pretty much anything in his suit. Thing had one lifting feat & this is a feat not a lifting contest so that won't save him. He's slow & was sent flying by Doom hitting him with a pole. Thor with Mjolnir or Hulk can easily send Thing flying. Doom didn't show he was more durable or stronger or more offensively capable than anyone, lol are you serious? Thor was smacked, punched kicked, blasted & had his face dragged up the side of a mountain by Iron Man & showed NO damage at all. Offensive capability? Thor can get close & hit you with Mjolnir, throw mjolnir from a distance, shoot lighting from it, make lightning bolts come down. Did you not see his destructive & offensive capabilities? One lightning bolt in the first movie destroyed the shit out of that area the frost giants were. Once tornado can lift all of them off their feet & they won't have a way to do anything, Torch can't stay torched without air to support his fire. Reed & Sue can easily be killed by Widow or Hawkeye. The Avengers take this fight easily. Lets not forget the Avengers even work together better &Cap had tactile know how.

90% of stuff you named is out of character.Thor doesn't use his wind ever except that 1 time in all 3 movies. He doesn't even use his lightning alot tbh. Iron Man also doesn't use his lasers much, just missiles and for some reason, his weaker arsenal. Plus those lasers haven't cut through anything impressive enough to say they can cut through Doom or Thing.

Hulk can send Thing flying, sure, but Thing has the better strength feats and can overpower the Hulk and send him flying as well. Doom can likely oneshot the Hulk too.

Hawkeye nor Widow will be doing much to Sue, especially with Torch around. They're non factors. And even if you took out everyone but Doom, his feats are sufficient enough for him to solo. Only Thor stands any semblance of a chance, but Doom is both stronger and more durable than him.

Lol or Thor can simply take Doom out of the fight via

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But that takes Thor out the fight too. Plus Doom should still be able to shoot a blast from that position.

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@darkraiden: You forgetting Thor has super strength and lightening attacks?

Thor & Iron Man can solo this.

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@darkraiden: You forgetting Thor has super strength and lightening attacks?

Thor & Iron Man can solo this.

Movie Thor doesn't really. Not on a level to affect this battle. He needs Mjolnir for lightning last I checked. Iron Man also sucks movie feat wise. Nothing Torch, Sue, Thing, or even Reed can't take down.